The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy

[peacefulbeliever]

1 John 2:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

So if sin must be confessed in order to be forgiven how could John write this? Lets not even consider the time frame of the letter having to be delivered, and whether they repented or not before this letter reached them. If sin confession is for the believer how could John make this statement unless maybe he had their itinerary of when they confess so that this letter would be accurate on arrival?

Its a silly extreme, is it not? How could he possibly say such a blasphemous thing, that they are forgiven of their sins? Does he not know that we must confess our sins to be cleansed of all unrighteousness? He must have their prayer life committed to memory.

Because he said this first - If you confess your sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (I would think that the letter containing chapter 1 would have reached them first, assuming he wrote and sent it first - but all this is just speculation)

Do we always walk in the light? Does sometimes darkness creep in? Or are you made perfect in the flesh because you are a new creation? What do we do with that darkness that creeps in? - Remember, light has no fellowship with darkness and God is light and in him is no darkness at all.

I don't think it is silly

 

[Grace777x70]

Well..you said you will provide names...are you saying now..there are none?..just say yes there is proof or no there isn't any proof....and we'll let in drop.....no problem

.you made an accusation against some churches and Willie is going to that area..so he will check it out..we need to know if these churches are saying. "Go and sin all you want because of grace"...that's an important thing for us to know because that is the most common accusation made against the grace of Christ.

Wow there you go when you can't win a debate, the old lets hold things over on others (which is sin) and being demanding (which is also sin) !!!

Move on and show the fruit of the Spirit !!!

 

[crossnote]

Did you read the part where I said I don't even consider keeping it now? This is where concentrating and focusing on sin traps you. Doing such always seems to leave you in the same position Eve found herself in at the tree. You are not really keeping your eyes on Jesus, but you are equally looking over at sin, and evaluating the two "choices."

So you have perfect faith? Never being drawn away to sin. WOW.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Because he said this first - If you confess your sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Keep reading....but if you don't, He won't. Is that true after the cross?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Prove it....!

I did. Disprove it.

 

[Grace777x70]

So..is that where the 2 witness from Revelation that you said live inside of you ...so that you could rain down fire on people like in revelation?

The Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin through the Lords disciples, not that the world has the Holy Spirit.

 

[KennethC]

You see this is where, in essence, you would be calling Jesus a sinner. Why? Because He was "tempted in every way as we are." Being tempted is not a sin. Yes, of course, all of us have some things that tug at us stronger than other things. But that does not make us filthy, degenerate, or even "wrong." It just means that God's word is true... that we will be tempted.

(I'm beginning to feel like a repeated Public Service Announcement.)

Go read the post again, Ken. I said that if one did that, they WOULD then be making Jesus out to be a sinner because the Bible clearly said HE WAS TEMPTED.

BTW...... being "TEMPTED" inherently implies that you COULD be susceptible to the offer being made. If I offered to give someone three wagons full of dead, rotten pigs, there couldn't possible be any "tempting" going on. Where as, if I offered the same wagons full of hundred dollar bills..............

So, Jesus had to have been open and susceptible to the offers He came across, or they could not be called true "temptations."

That is not what you said and I posted your post here again to show, you clearly stated that I would be calling Jesus a sinner.

Again nowhere in my post that you original posted to said anything about temptation being a sin, thus you read into and came away with a false position making your response that of one being a false allegation.

Jesus never gave into temptation therefore He did not sin, and thus was not a sinner !!!

We however can still give into those temptations if we are not careful, and thus would be guilty of sin !!!

 

[FreeNChrist]

I did. Disprove it.

You've only proven you can't reconcile what you want 1 John 1:9 to mean with those other passage of scripture. I'm not surprised at all.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I have met people that said they had the 2 witnesses of revelation in them......people say all kinds of funky stuff....

If you knew who those 2 witnesses are, then you would agree that all God's anointed saints have those 2 witnesses in them. But because it is not given for all to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom, you are left in the dark as to meaning of what I said.

 

[KennethC]

Well..you said you will provide names...are you saying now..there are none?..just say yes there is proof or no there isn't any proof....and we'll let in drop.....no problem

.you made an accusation against some churches and Willie is going to that area..so he will check it out..we need to know if these churches are saying. "Go and sin all you want because of grace"...that's an important thing for us to know because that is the most common accusation made against the grace of Christ.

I never said I would provide names, if that is what Willie-T said to you then he lied..........

All I did was make a statement that I have gone to some churches that did teach their congregation that believe Jesus came in the flesh, died on the cross for our sins, and rose on the third day. That was all they taught and left people or even told people they can continue to go live their lives as they are.

That is in since saying they can continue in their sinful behaviors !!!

Willie demanded the names of the churches from me, but I nowhere said I would provide those names !!!

I even mention how it would be improper for one to question others on their sinful ways, when such a person will not even admit to theirs !!!

There is plenty of proof out there, you are just naive !!!

 

[Grace777x70]

okie dokie....don't be drinking any Kool-Aid....

If you knew who those 2 witnesses are, then you would agree that all God's anointed saints have those 2 witnesses in them. But because it is not given for all to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom, you are left in the dark as to meaning of what I said.

 

[Willie-T]

So you have perfect faith? Never being drawn away to sin. WOW.

As I said (since I have to keep repeating my words for some of you) we all have different areas where the temptation is stronger. I didn't even initiate the $5 scenario, but I used the words of one of you guys to show that, in that particular area, I have little problems, so I am not "convicted" of anything I do not contemplate in my mind. The Holy Spirit basically reminds me not to forget to find the time to take that money back to the cashier who gave me the excess amount of change.

 

[phil36]

Did you read the part where I said I don't even consider keeping it now? This is where concentrating and focusing on sin traps you. Doing such always seems to leave you in the same position Eve found herself in at the tree. You are not really keeping your eyes on Jesus, but you are equally looking over at sin, and evaluating the two "choices."

Hi Willie,

I did read yes. And I am glad you give the money back straight away. we can come back to the Eve part above later. Oh and yes I agree as do all believers that you need to keep your eye on Jesus and not the temtations or as you put it choices. Again temptation or ''choices'' are not sin. Hopefully you have grasped that now.

I'll repost for you:

If you just found the $5's and gave it back you have nothig to be ashamed of (did you not read willie..It shows I read your post)
...
But if it involved fraud or theft and your not ashamed and feel the guilt of that sin...then I would say to you to make sure you are in the faith. not beause you sinned by stealing or dishonesty, but because you feel noe 'remorse or sorrow, for offending your Father who at great expense redeemed you..never the less he is stilll faithful to forgive.

Or we could say if you commit adultery would you not feel shame and remorse as a Christian knowing your position as a child, and the great offence to your Father...


Or, I tell lies, would I not feel remorse or sorrow, knowing that I am in Christ bought and redeemed , knowing that i have offended my Father.

And the list goes on willie.

Please note before you reply.. this is not, how did you put it 'concetrating and focusing on sin traps', you see I believe after reading your posts, that you do not know the difference between temptation or as you put it 'choices' or sin traps and actually being the one who sins. Just look at your post above.

This is about when you do sin not choices.

I love how the believer King David put it...

Have mercy on me, O God,
according to your unfailing love;
according to your great compassion
blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash away all my iniquity
and cleanse me from my sin.

3 For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is always before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight;

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Keep reading....but if you don't, He won't. Is that true after the cross?

if you don't, He won't . . . ?????

I am not talking about forgiveness for salvation - when I confessed Jesus as Lord and believed God raised him from the dead all my sins WERE FORGIVEN . . . . I am saved; as saved as I will EVER be . . .

If I don't ask for forgiveness after salvation - who does it hurt more - me or God? I think it hurts me more because I will continue to harbor something that I shouldn't have done and it would be me who kept herself from humbly going to God and acknowledging what I did and letting it go. Maybe that's why God set up this system of forgiveness . . . . FOR ME . .

 

[Willie-T]

As I said (since I have to keep repeating my words for some of you) we all have different areas where the temptation is stronger. I didn't even initiate the $5 scenario, but I used the words of one of you guys to show that, in that particular area, I have little problems, so I am not "convicted" of anything I do not contemplate in my mind. The Holy Spirit basically reminds me not to forget to find the time to take that money back to the cashier who gave me the excess amount of change.

The point here (since I am sure it was missed) is that, "Yes" the Holy Spirit is dealing with me. But NOT in conviction and condemnation (the same concept)... but in a gentle reminder that as a son of God, I need to be sure returning that money doesn't get forgotten in the hurried stream of life.

 

[FreeNChrist]

He picks you up ONCE, then the cleaning starts.

Well, if you say so. For myself, He cleansed me of all unrighteousness once, and picks me up every time I fall. Which is often.

 

[crossnote]

Yes and here is another scripture that gets overlooked:

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Times of refreshing is speaking on the forgiveness of future sins when they occur and thus confessed !!!

that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,
(Act 3:20)

Of course though, I take this to refer to the Promised Kingdom ruled by their King

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

So..is that where the 2 witness from Revelation that you said live inside of you ...so that you could rain down fire on people like in revelation?

I'll give you a clue...Jeremiah 5:14
Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

 

[crossnote]

The Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin through the Lords disciples, not that the world has the Holy Spirit.

Oh, you mean ...

preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
(2Ti 4:2-4)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You've only proven you can't reconcile what you want 1 John 1:9 to mean with those other passage of scripture. I'm not surprised at all.

That's not for me to do. You're the one stumbling over them, and have therefore made it an issue.