Are women allowed to Preach?

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didymos

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That church is on my "to see" list :)

Is there an "Oude kerk"?
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There is indeed, on an even 'better' location even.

The 800-year-old Oude Kerk ("old church") is Amsterdam’s oldest building and oldest parish church, founded ca. 1213 and consecrated in 1306 by the bishop of Utrecht with Saint Nicolas as its patron saint. After the Reformation in 1578 it became a Calvinist church, which it remains today. It stands in De Wallen, now Amsterdam's main red-light district. The square surrounding the church is the Oudekerksplein... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oude_Kerk,_Amsterdam

 
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You teach? Yikes! I hope the students can think for themselves first.
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How judgemental of you, regardless if I teach or not. So you'd rather have students 'think for themselves' than that their opinions are biblically sound? I sure hope you yourself don't teach then.
 
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A pulpit in a building does not make a church any more than just a few Christian people gathered together in another building or home.

So, I guess you could say there have been times when I have headed a church. As many women have done on this site. But I hate the word "headed". Because I consider we are all part of the body of Christ with different gifts. And if anything I would prefer the word "served" in a church.
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Well, yes it does matter who gets up to a pulpit and preaches, regardless of your women's liberation views on it.

And yes, it does matter when the woman usurps authority over the man, which is one of things that has been destroying the relationship God ordained between men and women.
 
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Well, yes it does matter who gets up to a pulpit and preaches, regardless of your women's liberation views on it.

And yes, it does matter when the woman usurps authority over the man, which is one of things that has been destroying the relationship God ordained between men and women.
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Has it occurred to you that there are God-fearing, Bible-reading, Spirit-filled Christians who see this issue differently? You seem quite content throwing insults at those who disagree with you. Is that helping the discussion?
 
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Has it occurred to you that there are God-fearing, Bible-reading, Spirit-filled Christians who see this issue differently? You seem quite content throwing insults at those who disagree with you. Is that helping the discussion?
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I only feel sorry for those who try to counter God's ordained order He setup for a man and a woman, which is what Apostle Paul also proclaimed at the end of 1 Timonthy 2. Obviously then, I am also against men marrying men and women marrying women. If you've got a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with Him, so why don't you ask Him how He feels about it, since you don't care to align yourself in His Word about it? He will also show you who here is actually doing the insulting, i.e., you against His Word and His Apostle Paul.
 
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Here's what's interesting. You don't want me to trust wikipedia (which is remarkably reliable all things considered), but you want me to trust you and your interpretation of a book you read in 1974.

Since you can't be bothered to produce evidence to back your claim, I'll call it "opinion" and I'm sticking with wikipedia on this one.




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I did. Sociology 101. Can't help that I took the course in 1974. And, honest? You trust wiki?

God bless you.

Here are the facts. In America:

Who runs the family? Mom.

Who decides when it's time to buy a big-ticket item? (Car, appliances, house.) The wife. (The husband makes sure it's structurally sound, and then takes off on what he considers makes it worth the price, but that doesn't happen until the wife says it's time.)

Who talks the man into the power plays? The wife. ("You know, you'd be better in that job than what's-his-name. You've got such-and-such experience, you can do blahblahblah better, and if you get that raise, we could afford that whatever you have been wanting." "You know, BillyBob borrowed your lawn mower last year and never returned it. Don't you think our lawn is looking shabby?" "The mayor isn't helping children in this town. If you were elected, we could have a playground on Whatever Street, which would really benefit our kids...blahblahblah." "You know, the governor of our state isn't helping kids. You're the mayor of an important town and you have the connections. Add to those, I'm the head of the PTA and blahblahblah, so I have connections. I bet we could run for governor." "You know, as the governor of such an important state, the President isn't....")

Seriously? Who do you think talked each President into running for that job? Who do you think guided them along the way? Who do you think talked each CEO into getting that job? We're no slouches! We know how to run stuff and we know how to motivate guys. We've been doing it ever since Abigail Adams said, "You know, John, those slaves really aren't merely property but they're being treated that way."

We may not have the titles, but we have the ears of the men with the titles, and we've been running their houses and families for years. We also guide them in important decisions. And we've been teaching our daughters how for years too.

We don't even need daughters to teach other women who wears the pants. (Still laughing at the last "pants" thread. I can't help it. lol)

I do get what a matriarchal society is. I was raised in one. I strongly suspect most English-speaking countries are matriarchal too.
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I only feel sorry for those who try to counter God's ordained order He setup for a man and a woman, which is what Apostle Paul also proclaimed at the end of 1 Timonthy 2. Obviously then, I am also against men marrying men and women marrying women. If you've got a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with Him, so why don't you ask Him how He feels about it, since you don't care to align yourself in His Word about it? He will also show you who here is actually doing the insulting, i.e., you against His Word and His Apostle Paul.
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Why do you bring up homosexual marriage? Are you accusing me of approving such things? I strongly suggest you withdraw your insinuation, for I will report you to the mods if you don't.

As for the rest of your post, it is clear that your mind is closed, and you have no interest in discussion.
 
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the first woman preacher in the bible was EVE

HER FIRST MESSAGE WAS TITLED "MEN ARE DIRT"......LOL GET IT? MEN ARE DIRT? lol

seriously though I don't think the bible is for woman preacher's.

older women teaching younger women.....yes
women preaching/teaching men........nay
 
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Dino246 said:
Why do you bring up homosexual marriage? Are you accusing me of approving such things? I strongly suggest you withdraw your insinuation, for I will report you to the mods if you don't.

As for the rest of your post, it is clear that your mind is closed, and you have no interest in discussion.
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You can report all you want! Even though I was not accusing you of ANY such thing, you who bears false witness!
 
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Women are able to preach over men, but it is our punishment for sinning first that men will have the positions of leadership. Men have hard labor. The spiritually older women are to teach the younger women, and we can also teach children and nonchristians. Therefore it is ok for a woman to preach on tv, in a book, in person, etc, but not in the worship assembly or over the men of the congregation. If you raise your hand and speak in a bible class where men of the church are present, it's ok because you are not leading the class, you're not the teacher. It is ok to speak to a man in the church and share your thoughts, opinions, and scripture- that's just fellowship.
 
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Able to, and permitted to- are two different things. We are not permitted to- as a punishment for sinning first. If there was a congregation of all women, the preacher would be silent- unless a pre recorded sermon from a man of the church was played.
 
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I would like to say that preaching is communicating God`s truth to His people.All who believe have been commanded to do so,for we received the same baptism in one spirit.Giving doctrine is different thing which the bible restricts women from doing.I therefore conclude that women are able to and should be ready to preach if God enables.
 
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Lytee said:
I just received the question from one of my friends, What is the best explanation to this?

1Ti 2:11-14
(11) Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively.
(12) I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.
(13) For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve.
(14) And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result.

Is there a mixup of the Jewish culture and christianity?
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This means women were not usurp authority over men including vital decisions. The passage with the marital relationship that as husband like Adam was given the authority over women. The dispense of this powers that be was held by men and women must subject themselves to this kind of authority. Women preachers were not allowed to teach in the church in the sense they take the authority, but this does not mean they can no longer teach in Sunday School class for children or even juniors maybe.. God bless
 
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didymos said:
How judgemental of you, regardless if I teach or not. So you'd rather have students 'think for themselves' than that their opinions are biblically sound? I sure hope you yourself don't teach then.
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No, they need to think for themselves because you and your teachings are NOT "biblically sound." (Why do so many self-appointed teachers assume because they say it, it must be scripture?)
 
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PoetMary said:
Here's what's interesting. You don't want me to trust wikipedia (which is remarkably reliable all things considered), but you want me to trust you and your interpretation of a book you read in 1974.

Since you can't be bothered to produce evidence to back your claim, I'll call it "opinion" and I'm sticking with wikipedia on this one.
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Bull! I gave you the source. It was my textbook. Textbooks go through a process to be published, one very much unlike wikis. I guess it's just easier to look up the first thing to find on Google then thoroughly search for yourself. (BTW, have you ever researched how reliable Wiki really is? I have. Downright frightening that doctors agree with you so use it to diagnose patients. Same researchers found the medical info on wiki is only 80% reliable. Medicine is a science, just like sociology.) Fine. You made up your mind and proof won't sway you. I'm cool with that. Not like I've never been on this forum before. Just don't pretend it's me.
 
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DP said:
Well, yes it does matter who gets up to a pulpit and preaches, regardless of your women's liberation views on it.

And yes, it does matter when the woman usurps authority over the man, which is one of things that has been destroying the relationship God ordained between men and women.
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Pssst, you might well want to consider who you're talking to before flying with cliches. Joi has proven herself very capable through God in her in a long-term Christian marriage. She is what God wants from his daughters in a relationship between a man and a woman. Been there, done that, got the gold stars, got the 4.0 GPA, and the wounds to prove it. I wish I was her on that one, and my marriage is good. Reread. She doesn't usurp. She didn't usurp in what she said either.
 
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Kaycie said:
Able to, and permitted to- are two different things. We are not permitted to- as a punishment for sinning first. If there was a congregation of all women, the preacher would be silent- unless a pre recorded sermon from a man of the church was played.
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Really? No idea why there would be a all women congregation. Sounds like a bad thing to me, but let us go with one happened. Why couldn't a woman teach? (Curious. Not arguing.)
 
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Pssst, you might well want to consider who you're talking to before flying with cliches. Joi has proven herself very capable through God in her in a long-term Christian marriage. She is what God wants from his daughters in a relationship between a man and a woman. Been there, done that, got the gold stars, got the 4.0 GPA, and the wounds to prove it. I wish I was her on that one, and my marriage is good. Reread. She doesn't usurp. She didn't usurp in what she said either.
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I never claimed she was doing any such thing in her own life that you say.

But pushing the idea that a woman is allowed to usurp authority over man by preaching in the pulpit and heading a Church is... a leftist women's liberation movement type of view. It is NOT Biblical, period. And that was Apostle Paul's main point.

Now then, about women teaching The Gospel ... outside the pulpit, that is NOT the same thing, which those like yourself appear not to understand.

Every believer on Christ Jesus has the responsibility to teach The Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who have not heard. But only the man is to be overseer of a Church, as Christ is Head over The Church and over the man, and man is over the woman per God's order according to Apostle Paul.


 
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But pushing the idea that a woman is allowed to usurp authority over man by preaching in the pulpit and heading a Church is... a leftist women's liberation movement type of view. It is NOT Biblical, period. And that was Apostle Paul's main point





That is your interpretation...........and that is what it is, an interpretation. There is as much Scripture supporting a woman Pastor/Preacher as there is not. At least be honest about that, and don't pretend to have special insight into Paul's mind/thoughts.
 
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Really? No idea why there would be a all women congregation. Sounds like a bad thing to me, but let us go with one happened. Why couldn't a woman teach? (Curious. Not arguing.)
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My point was that even in that situation, a woman cannot stand up in the pulpit and preach to the congregation, she must be silent, otherwise it will be a worship service that God will not accept, and therefore done in vain.

...and it is possible, a congregation can consist of two or three people. "Where two or three are gathered in My name, there I AM also."
 
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