Self Examination: Do you understand the Gospel?

[FreeNChrist]

And still you take no time to give an example of how to correctly address the issue, or to even identify what the issue is.

The issue is you and others who insist on telling others what they believe, such as your premise that those who have been labeled as hyper grace, "accept repentance as valid concerning the sinner, but once saved they consider themselves to be exempt from any further repentance".

​You can correct that issue by ceasing to do it.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Devils believe that Jesus died for the sins of mankind and believe His blood paid the price, but don't love Jesus for it. People confess these truths about the Gospel and know the facts about the bible that doesn't mean that they Love Jesus. Love isn't a knowleage about Jesus, It is Knowing Jesus.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Devils believe that God is One and they certainly know who and what Jesus is, but they do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. Nor have they even been given that option.

 

[hornetguy]

Are you saying that after we receive salvation, we no longer sin? I suggest you re-read Romans 7-8.
We still sin, being human, but we are no longer slaves to sin. We have forgiveness available, freely given, bought with a price.

 

[AboundingGrace]

The issue is you and others who insist on telling others what they believe, such as your premise that those who have been labeled as hyper grace, "accept repentance as valid concerning the sinner, but once saved they consider themselves to be exempt from any further repentance".

​You can correct that issue by ceasing to do it.

Thank you for giving an answer that informs me as to what your issue is concerning my post.

My statement was made

"accept repentance as valid concerning the sinner, but once saved they consider themselves to be exempt from any further repentance". (I omit the teachers name for reasons of grace toward him.)

according to the quote from a hyper grace teacher which you may not be aware of

“Under the new covenant, we don’t have to keep on asking the Lord…for forgiveness because He has already forgiven us.”

Therefore I find nothing out of line or incorrect concerning my statement above. Except, that it unfortunately results in the succint response from you that I cease from giving my opinions and scriptural responses concerning the topic.

Truely, if anyone opened up a discussion on a Bible topic giving their opinions as well as their knowledge of God's word to speak against it, and such a thing has happened since I've been here, although the posts have caused an objection in my own mental and emotional state, yet I have not presumed to tell them that they must cease from posting such things.

Unless there is some discussion board rule that I have violated in posting what I have, I do not see that you have grounds to tell me that I must cease.

Neither does it look like you have authority to tell other posters who have posted on the subject of hyper grace to cease.

So, it would seem that your statement is describable as something which I will refrain from identifying which you might also classify as cockamamie.

I am appreciative that you do not like the topic to be opinionated and discussed in light of the scriptures by others, but nevertheless that right belongs to and is exercised by everyone.

Even so is your right to call anything I post on the topic as cockamamie. But, just know that none of that will cease me or dare I say others who've been here longer than I have to continue to post on topics of concern or interest to the body of Christ.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Thank you for giving an answer that informs me as to what your issue is concerning my post.

My statement was made



according to the quote from a hyper grace teacher which you may not be aware of



Therefore I find nothing out of line or incorrect concerning my statement above. Except, that it unfortunately results in the succint response from you that I cease from giving my opinions and scriptural responses concerning the topic.

Truely, if anyone opened up a discussion on a Bible topic giving their opinions as well as their knowledge of God's word to speak against it, and such a thing has happened since I've been here, although the posts have caused an objection in my own mental and emotional state, yet I have not presumed to tell them that they must cease from posting such things.

Unless there is some discussion board rule that I have violated in posting what I have, I do not see that you have grounds to tell me that I must cease.

Neither does it look like you have authority to tell other posters who have posted on the subject of hyper grace to cease.

So, it would seem that your statement is describable as something which I will refrain from identifying which you might also classify as cockamamie.

I am appreciative that you do not like the topic to be opinionated and discussed in light of the scriptures by others, but nevertheless that right belongs to and is exercised by everyone.

Even so is your right to call anything I post on the topic as cockamamie. But, just know that none of that will cease me or dare I say others who've been here longer than I have to continue to post on topics of concern or interest to the body of Christ.

Nothing there that supports your premise. Try again.

 

[Grace777x70]

here are a few articles on repentance and grace for anyone that wants to see what is really being said..

Search Results repentance – Escape to Reality

 

[Billyd]

May I suggest a way to resolve the Hyper Grace debate. One simple rule. It's called scripture.

Take each scripture that is quoted to support a position and if you agree say so. If you disagree, post scripture to explain why you disagree.

Stop criticizing the messenger and address the problem that you have with the message, with the Word.

If you feel that you must cut and paste someone's opinion to support your argument, maybe you should step aside and let the discussion continue without you.

 

[mpaper345]

There is nothing we can do to inherit salvation,which is why the Bible says we are not saved by works,for it is a gift of God,by Jesus Christ.

Jesus did it all for us,all we have to do is to accept that gift of salvation.

But after we are saved there is only one thing we have to do,and that is to allow the Spirit to lead us,and do the works of God,which then faith is applied in our life.

We only have to allow the Spirit to lead us after we are saved,and do what God wants us to do,which is love people,which love is the fulfilling of the law.

The Bible says we are saved if we continue in God's goodness,and if we sin it can be forgiven.

 

[FreeNChrist]

May I suggest a way to resolve the Hyper Grace debate. One simple rule. It's called scripture.

Take each scripture that is quoted to support a position and if you agree say so. If you disagree, post scripture to explain why you disagree.

We've done that. It didn't help.

 

[FreeNChrist]

There is nothing we can do to inherit salvation,which is why the Bible says we are not saved by works,for it is a gift of God,by Jesus Christ.

Jesus did it all for us,all we have to do is to accept that gift of salvation.

But after we are saved there is only one thing we have to do,and that is to allow the Spirit to lead us,and do the works of God,which then faith is applied in our life.

We only have to allow the Spirit to lead us after we are saved,and do what God wants us to do,which is love people,which love is the fulfilling of the law.

The Bible says we are saved if we continue in God's goodness,and if we sin it can be forgiven.

Yep. We don't live by faith in ourselves, we live by faith in Christ.

 

[AboundingGrace]

Nothing there that supports your premise. Try again.

I may be wrong on this but there seems to be a desire on your part to control the matter in some way. But, no sir, I will not allow that I be making my opinions and my scriptural discernings to be in accordance with your personal approval.

I'd say that you therefore must cease, but that would be a cockamamie notion now wouldn't it?

 

[BeyondET]

And in our case the posters will eat each other just to post another day?

Indeed human nature, everyone one of us on this earth has murmured before, I've been trying not too but sometimes it just comes out then after that comes "Why on earth did I say that" lol

So all the congregation lifted up their voices and cried, and the people wept that night. And all the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron, and the whole congregation said to them, 'If only we had died in the land of Egypt! Or if only we had died in this wilderness! Why has the Lord brought us to this land to fall by the sword, that our wives and children should become victims? Would it not be better for us to return to Egypt?'" (Num. 14:1-3)
In the above text the Israelites murmured against their gracious and loving God. Needless to say, their murmurings displeased Him.
Sadly, many Christians are murmurers and complainers. In the home, on the job and in the local church they grumble, murmur and complain. They can see nothing good. To them, everything is bad -- their life is miserable and they want to make it that way for everyone else.
To murmur means to grumble or whine. It is not wrong to complain if correction is needed, but there should be no murmuring.
The Grecian widows in Acts 6:1-5 had a just complaint. They were being neglected in the daily ministration. It was in order for them to complain but not to murmur.
In relation to the local church, if you have a just complaint about services, the temperature of the building, the singing, the song leader, the elders, the preacher, Bible classes, etc., a complaint is in order. But if it is not corrected as you would have it, do not murmur. Such murmuring is wrong.
There are several examples of the sin of murmuring in the New Testament, like the parable of the laborers in the vineyard (Matt. 20:1-16). They murmured because they had worked all day while others who had worked for a much shorter period received the same wages. They had received their just due but they still murmured.
The scribes and Pharisees murmured against the disciples of Jesus because they ate and drank with publicans and sinners but they were really striking out at Jesus (Luke 5:29-32). They did not care that the publicans and sinners needed Jesus. They were only concerned with their personal agenda.
The Jews murmured about Jesus because He said He was the bread of life (John 6:41). Instead of investigating His claim in an effort to know the truth, they murmured.
If we were to summarize the general tone of these examples it would be fair to conclude that when the behavior of Jesus was not according to what they thought it should be, they murmured.
There is not a single one of us who appreciates murmurers. When another person engages in this sin, we see its ugly quality. Trust me, it does not look any better in us.
Make no mistake, murmuring is sin. "Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world" (Phil. 2:14-15). "Be hospitable to one another without grumbling" (1 Pet. 4:9). It causes one to perish (1 Cor. 10:10).
Sadly, murmuring is one of the most prevalent sins among some brethren. Those who would never think of committing adultery or murder are guilty of this sin. Some who have the highest morals, adhere most closely to doctrine and are most liberal in their giving negate all the good things they do by whining.
Discontent causes murmuring. Christians are taught to be content with necessities (1 Tim. 6:7-8); what they have (Heb. 13:5); their lot (Phil. 4:11); and God's way (Luke 5:5).
Selfishness is the second cause of murmuring (Phil. 2:4; Rom. 15:2). Selfish people want their way and do not like it one bit if they do not get it, therefore, they murmur.
Being discontent and selfish, one murmurs and whines and thus sins bringing condemnation to himself. Another product of his actions, though, is division among God's people for that is what the murmurer is trying to do -- get people to become sympathetic to his point of view and antagonistic toward the other point of view. The Proverbist tells us that one of the seven things God hates is "one who sows discord among brethren" (Prov. 6:19).
Let us not murmur. Rather, let us be content in life. Let us be happy and "rejoice always in the Lord" (Phil. 4:4). Let us be thankful for our blessings and be characterized by a spirit of gratitude (1 Tim. 2:1).
Let us never be selfish. Let us always regard others better than self and look out for the interests of others (Phil. 2:3-4). Let us follow the things which make for peace and let all things be done unto edifying (Rom. 14:19; 1 Cor. 14:26).
"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you" (Eph. 4:31-32).

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree with this...but unfortunately we have used scriptures to some people over 20 times and they still continue to post wrong accusations.

So the merry-go-round continues and nothing gets accomplished and it can become just a waste of time.

But there are lot's of people looking at these threads and desiring real answers to their questions.

These people that we have given scriptures too so many times in the past are really not interested in what is being said or they don't agree...which is fine..it is their right to do so.......so some of us post websites for people that actually do have real questions ...so that they can go look and read for themselves what is "really" being said.

That way they can listen to the Holy Spirit within them to teach them what they need to learn at the place they are in their walk with the Lord.

May I suggest a way to resolve the Hyper Grace debate. One simple rule. It's called scripture.

Take each scripture that is quoted to support a position and if you agree say so. If you disagree, post scripture to explain why you disagree.

Stop criticizing the messenger and address the problem that you have with the message, with the Word.

If you feel that you must cut and paste someone's opinion to support your argument, maybe you should step aside and let the discussion continue without you.

 

[Magenta]

I agree with this...but unfortunately we have used scriptures to some people over 20 times and they still continue to post wrong accusations.

Was it your intention to make it sound like it is never you wrongly accusing?

 

[FreeNChrist]

I may be wrong on this but there seems to be a desire on your part to control the matter in some way. But, no sir, I will not allow that I be making my opinions and my scriptural discernings to be in accordance with your personal approval.

I'd say that you therefore must cease, but that would be a cockamamie notion now wouldn't it?

Yeah, you're wrong.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Some of the replies to this thread genuinely upset my stomach, like genuine repulsion. Your hatred, malice, and anti-Spirit words are horrendous. To call God's works satanic is just audaciously irresponsible. How ashamed you ought to be, I could see the Lord standing before some of you as the apostle Paul and say, once again, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting." Some of your replies bring out a righteous anger and indignation, to be opposed to God's workings and to attribute it to the devil. Just awful...

There's no question that any teaching that promotes denying the authority of any of Jesus' words for every believer is satanic.

Prayerfully consider this HeRoseFromTheDead.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Prayerfully consider this HeRoseFromTheDead.

Sounds like you're the one who needs some prayer. Only satan tries to deny that all of Christ's words are for all believers.

 

[PeterJens]

Some of the replies to this thread genuinely upset my stomach, like genuine repulsion. Your hatred, malice, and anti-Spirit words are horrendous. To call God's works satanic is just audaciously irresponsible. How ashamed you ought to be, I could see the Lord standing before some of you as the apostle Paul and say, once again, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting." Some of your replies bring out a righteous anger and indignation, to be opposed to God's workings and to attribute it to the devil. Just awful...

To call God's works satanic

It does not take a genius to spot, the work people are calling satanic is heresy, things done by evil spirits etc.

Now imagine a "christian" meeting, full of people singing in the spirit, full of power etc. praising the Lord and a demon shows up possessing one of the people. Odd. People full of the Holy Spirit yet being possessed. And people testify they could not tell which was from the Lord and which was not.

Is the Kingdom of God so divided? Is speaking in tongues a sign of the presence of God? No.

A true teacher of Christ cannot teach heresy, and claim to be speaking from the Lord. Either it is their own mind or a demon speaking through them. It is fair to conclude though people claim great spiritual authority, they fail to claim purity, righteousness or holiness is a biblical sense yet demand to be taken as God speaking without question.

Any preacher saying we are gods, is a heretic and preaching a doctrine of demons. Unless they repent, they have left the faith. Everything from there on should be regarded as fake and not of the Lord.

There is really no way back from this place and is 100% biblical.

Did God ever compromise with Satan or his angels? Can a christian have both the Holy Spirit and a demon? No.

But here we have "believers" claiming God is submitting to the enemy. These people should be rejected and dealt with as unbelievers.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

There often seems to be some level of misrepresentation going on.

I guess a good discussion Is what helps us unify until we all come into the full measure as members ofthe body of CHRIST.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I agree with this...but unfortunately we have used scriptures to some people over 20 times and they still continue to post wrong accusations.

So the merry-go-round continues and nothing gets accomplished and it can become just a waste of time.

But there are lot's of people looking at these threads and desiring real answers to their questions.

These people that we have given scriptures too so many times in the past are really not interested in what is being said or they don't agree...which is fine..it is their right to do so.......so some of us post websites for people that actually do have real questions ...so that they can go look and read for themselves what is "really" being said.

That way they can listen to the Holy Spirit within them to teach them what they need to learn at the place they are in their walk with the Lord.

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Grace 777x70 again.