GOD IS FOR YOU, NOT AGAINST YOU
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I have been thinking some more on your post here and it made me go back to my Christian life..when I was first born again. I thought things would go smoothly because God was for us. Obviously..that was wrong thinking..
I believe the so-called wilderness experiences are really God's storehouses. They expose everything to the life of Christ in us.
Sometimes we have troubles - not because we have done something wrong -- but because we are doing something right. Satan comes immediately to steal the word that was sown in our hearts.
Sometimes God protects us from the trouble and sometimes He allows us to go through it.
Psalm 66:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] You made men ride over our heads; We went through fire and through water, Yet You brought us out into a place of abundance. Spoils of war do not come unless there has been a battle.
There is always an abundance in all things in knowing Him. He is our true treasure!
I believe the so-called wilderness experiences are really God's storehouses. They expose everything to the life of Christ in us.
Sometimes we have troubles - not because we have done something wrong -- but because we are doing something right. Satan comes immediately to steal the word that was sown in our hearts.
Sometimes God protects us from the trouble and sometimes He allows us to go through it.
Psalm 66:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] You made men ride over our heads; We went through fire and through water, Yet You brought us out into a place of abundance. Spoils of war do not come unless there has been a battle.
There is always an abundance in all things in knowing Him. He is our true treasure!
We don't complain,we don't look for a way out, we don't blame others..........we follow His word, and His solutions and His will.
Did Christ deserve any of the suffering He went through? How well did He Glorify the Father?
New American Standard Bible
saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
Poverty is a curse...Deut 28: 17-46...no doubt about it....if it conflicts with your religious beliefs..so be it..
The people are not cursed........poverty is from this fallen world.....is there poverty in heaven Kenneth?
I agree that people going through situations do learn to trust in God.....same as people that backslide and go into all kinds of sin...is that from God too?...of course not..
Poverty is not from God...it is not a blessing...Deut, 30 spells out what blessings are....
The people are not cursed........poverty is from this fallen world.....is there poverty in heaven Kenneth?
I agree that people going through situations do learn to trust in God.....same as people that backslide and go into all kinds of sin...is that from God too?...of course not..
Poverty is not from God...it is not a blessing...Deut, 30 spells out what blessings are....
K
Again Deuteronomy is speaking on the curses of the law...........We are not under the law !!!
You can not pick and choose what you want to hold over on people and what not to hold over from the OT law, if you want to do that they you are subject to obey it all.
Which means you need to start sacrificing animals for your sins again or you are breaking the law !!!
You are doing the same wrong teaching as legalist do by holding parts of the law as still applying to believers !!!
How do you explain Jesus calling those in poverty more blessed by your understanding ???
You do realize that God knowing our hearts will keep some in poverty because He knows if finances come into their lives they will get saturated in all the sinful things that being rich leads to ???
God knows what we need and don't need, and He is not going to give something to somebody He knows will end up abusing it !!!
Grace 777 said
Your are denying what is plainly written, even ignoring and trying to twist the scriptures I posted because you are wrong once again. God created all things!
God created all things, even the serpent, evil and darkness, and even pestilence and disease as part of His wrath and righteous indignation. God sends forth the sword, plague, pestilence, famine, disease, and even evil angels as part of his righteous judgments and wrath upon a wicked, rebellious, and disobedient world.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God,
Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Hebrews 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
God created all things, even the serpent, evil and darkness, and even pestilence and disease as part of His wrath and righteous indignation. God sends forth the sword, plague, pestilence, famine, disease, and even evil angels as part of his righteous judgments and wrath upon a wicked, rebellious, and disobedient world.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God,
Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Hebrews 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
I can't help it if what is a curse and what is a blessing conflicts with your religious beliefs..I didn't write Deut.28 or 30
Galatians 3 means that those that put themselves under law are trying to do things in their flesh..by their own self-effort..that is the law...self-righteousness and self-effort are the same thing.
No, we are not under the law which is why we need to preach the gospel to them about the grace of Christ.
I already told you what being blessed in trusting in the Lord for everything.....but..Show me the scripture that you are referring to about being poor..so I know what you are trying to get at..
Galatians 3 means that those that put themselves under law are trying to do things in their flesh..by their own self-effort..that is the law...self-righteousness and self-effort are the same thing.
No, we are not under the law which is why we need to preach the gospel to them about the grace of Christ.
I already told you what being blessed in trusting in the Lord for everything.....but..Show me the scripture that you are referring to about being poor..so I know what you are trying to get at..
K
Galatians is about those who seek their justification from law keeping, not seeking their justification through Christ.
They walked around saying look how good I am because I keep this law, that law, and this law..........
Doing so they have separated themselves from Christ and have fallen from Grace, because they are walking according to the OT ordinances instead of walking by Jesus Christ's righteousness.
What conflicts is what you consider to be blessing and curses according to what Jesus said in Matthew 5's sermon on the mound. Not once in that sermon did Jesus say blessed are the financially rich !!!
Jesus calls those who are going through all kinds of trials and tribulations yet keep the faith as those that are blessed !!!
Again I will try to say this to you: "If you want to hold to part of the law (curse) then you are subject to obey it all."
If you do this and then don't obey all the law then the Word of God says you will be subject to the punishment that comes from the law. You can not go by only part of it !!!
Galatians is about self-righteousness and self-effort....and they use the law to do it...the law of self-effort...just like every other closet legalist...I think the curse remains for those who try to live by self-effort....many people have told you about these things.....anyway..it really doesn't matter..you are allowed to believe whatever you want...
Just answer this question and forget the rest.....Show me the scripture that says Jesus wants us to be poor...
Just answer this question and forget the rest.....Show me the scripture that says Jesus wants us to be poor...
The curse of the law is not the law itself, but sin and swearing the oath to God to keep the whole law. Here is a post on it....
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/112065-curse-law.html
Those who swear falsely by the Lords name today are also under the curse as written in Zechariah 5:4. These are known as hypocrites, and cursed children being unable to cease from sin.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/112065-curse-law.html
Those who swear falsely by the Lords name today are also under the curse as written in Zechariah 5:4. These are known as hypocrites, and cursed children being unable to cease from sin.
Here is one about the curse in Zech......http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106833-cursed-children.html
Hypergrace's obsession with demonizing self-effort reveals its gnostic roots. The teaching that man was entirely incapable of his own free will to do anything good was foreign to the church until Augustine, a converted gnostic, incorporated into church doctrine the gnostic belief that man's nature was so depraved that he was entirely incapable of doing anything good of his own free will.
K
There you go as always putting down anybody that does not agree with you, and taking and misrepresenting scripture to make it say you have no responsibility so that you don't feel in the wrong for being disobedient.
Correct me if I am wrong about your understanding !!!
Because you continue to come off as one who thinks anything we do is self effort, even if it is done in the faith, and think you can sit back and don't have to do anything ???
Self-effort is anything done that is not of the faith, which the Mosaic law ordinances are not of the faith, therefore those who tried to seek their justification by law keeping were in sin !!!
The curses are not the law itself, yes, but the curses go hand and hand with the law.
Therefore the curses only applies to those who are under the law, and not to believers in Christ.
Yet Grace777x70 wants to have those curses still apply to us believers who are not under the law, we have been redeemed from those curses thanks be to Jesus Christ.
Poverty is not a curse under the New Covenant, if it was then those who state it is has just condemned 1,000's of believers !!!
Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.