Why the king james?

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Blain

Blain

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On my walk today I was talking to God and the subject of the king james only group popped up, now I have read it and while old english gives it a sense of uniqueness I asked God why the king james only group believe their bibles are the only true bible and others arent, then I remembered one of these people telling me it's because the kj is the closest to the original scriptures written I know the OT was in hebrew and I think the NT was in greek but even if the kj is the closest to the original script it still isn't the original is it?

Is there another reason for kj only people to believe their version is the only true word of God? I am just trying to understand the reason behind this
 
The only true bible is the one in which one receives the true word/message
 
The way I understand it, the KJV only group claims that the KJV was translated from different manuscripts or something. What others say is that other modern translations, such as the ESV were translated also directly from original manuscripts. So KJV only reasoning is invalid. Many have claimed that more modern translations like ESV and NSAB are much more superior to the KJV with more accurate translations.

I wouldn't know though. I dunno Greek or Hebrew to be able to test it. I doubt many of the KJV only group does either.

I use KJV sometimes. Not the one with the extremely old english that is almost impossible for me to read, but still the thous and thees and so on. I think mine uses "Shakespearean english" or something like that. None of the real heavy incomprehensible language from the original KJV though. I also use ESV. Prolly use ESV the most.
 
Blain said:
On my walk today I was talking to God and the subject of the king james only group popped up, now I have read it and while old english gives it a sense of uniqueness I asked God why the king james only group believe their bibles are the only true bible and others arent, then I remembered one of these people telling me it's because the kj is the closest to the original scriptures written I know the OT was in hebrew and I think the NT was in greek but even if the kj is the closest to the original script it still isn't the original is it?

Is there another reason for kj only people to believe their version is the only true word of God? I am just trying to understand the reason behind this
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I always have one question that just knocks the debate out in my mind.

What did everyone do for one thousand six hundred and eleven years before the KJV was written?..............nobody had the truth for 1611 years?

Heck, Paul didn't have the truth, he didn't have the jimmy!!!!
 
Gr8grace said:
I always have one question that just knocks the debate out in my mind.What did everyone do for one thousand six hundred and eleven years before the KJV was written?..............nobody had the truth for 1611 years?Heck, Paul didn't have the truth, he didn't have the jimmy!!!!
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thats a good question
 
Gr8grace said:
I always have one question that just knocks the debate out in my mind.

What did everyone do for one thousand six hundred and eleven years before the KJV was written?..............nobody had the truth for 1611 years?

Heck, Paul didn't have the truth, he didn't have the jimmy!!!!
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The KJV'ers say their body of texts is better than the Vaticanus and Sinaiaticus which were a late 19th century rediscovery.
Their argument is that God has preserved through the centuries the texts the KJV is based on, wherea the newer versions are based on texts that have been lost in a monastery etc., for centuries. It is an argument from Providence and a pretty strong one too.
 
crossnote said:
Comparing the TR vs the Majority Text would have been better than comparing translations.
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Ive probably have upset some already,Dont mean to and there was much more that could be said but it takes a while for it to sink in,did me anyways:)It would be some can explore when the time is right for them.Its up to the person which text or bible they wish to use,
 
The written word kills, no matter the version of the Word availed to a person. KJV only would fall into the category of the written Word only, with no Holy Spirit.

Any version of the Word accompanied by the Holy Spirit validated by God, not man.

Any version of the Word purported by any one person or group is purporting death.

I almost always read the KJV, but I also read any version of the Word with prayer and meditation. So it is with anyone who believes what the Spirit has given to all who have come to Jesus Christ.

Any "only" folks for any version are the same as denominations, none of which are mentioned in the Bible except of courst the term used by our Lord, that being those of the faith of Abraham........

Something that may interest some, many words from the original test of the Tanakh (OT) are yet a mystery to Hebrew scholars as to their actual meaning. I know there are some who would say this is not so, but it is. A very unusual error in translation that endured for centuries is that Moses came down from the Mount with horns emitting from his head. Look up the Michaelangelo statue of Moses, and you willl see him with the tablets, pointing at the words with horns. He had rays emitting from his head of course.

The point is, any version of the Word with the Holy Spirit teaching is valid. Please do not tromp on the KJV. I was brought up with it, and I do love it as I do all versions


Blain said:
On my walk today I was talking to God and the subject of the king james only group popped up, now I have read it and while old english gives it a sense of uniqueness I asked God why the king james only group believe their bibles are the only true bible and others arent, then I remembered one of these people telling me it's because the kj is the closest to the original scriptures written I know the OT was in hebrew and I think the NT was in greek but even if the kj is the closest to the original script it still isn't the original is it?

Is there another reason for kj only people to believe their version is the only true word of God? I am just trying to understand the reason behind this
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If you don't believe that the KJV is THE word of God, then which one is? Can you say, "I have God's word right here in my hand." Each version says something different. There are different truths taught in each one. Btw, older manuscripts does not mean better. Older simply means no one used them back then because they were rejected by the majority and believed to be corrupted, so they were better kept in tack because no one read them.

God promised to preserve His words for all generations. Where are they today? Did God lie? Would God hold us accountable to His word and not give it to us?
 
Here's an interesting question to ponder: When you put your faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins and the salvation of your soul...were you placing your faith upon Jesus Christ or were you placing your faith in the word of God?

Would you put your soul's eternal destination in a book that you don't believe every word to be true? In other words, "I don't believe all the words of this book to be true, but I'm going to trust this part to be true concerning the salvation of my soul."

If I don't have a perfect book to appeal to, how can I defend myself against a world who is against me? God's word is final authority or is it? If so, where is it?
 
Jesus Christ is the Word. I believe you intended to say in the written text without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

In the beginning was the Word, and teh Word was with God and the Word was God........etc......this in total reference to Jesus Christ.


John146 said:
Here's an interesting question to ponder: When you put your faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins and the salvation of your soul...were you placing your faith upon Jesus Christ or were you placing your faith in the word of God?

Would you put your soul's eternal destination in a book that you don't believe every word to be true? In other words, "I don't believe all the words of this book to be true, but I'm going to trust this part to be true concerning the salvation of my soul."

If I don't have a perfect book to appeal to, how can I defend myself against a world who is against me? God's word is final authority or is it? If so, where is it?
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Ok, then where are the pure words of God that He promised to preserve for all generations? How do you know about the Savior if not for the written words of God? Do you have something you can hold in your hands that you can trust every word to be pure and right?

JaumeJ said:
Jesus Christ is the Word. I believe you intended to say in the written text without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

In the beginning was the Word, and teh Word was with God and the Word was God........etc......this in total reference to Jesus Christ.
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God teaches us all, Himself. When I was drawn to Jesus Christ, it was by means of the Holy Spirit.. There was no well-meaning fellow in Christ preaching to me, all came by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit led ,e tp read the Word several times and all I needed to understand was given me. Since then I have read the Word dozens of times but those first times were teh crucial and most enlightening.

Now, reading the Word only confirms what the Holy Spirit teaches us, and He continues teaching us what we need to know all of our time in this age. No man will be expert to interpret all of the Word for all others, but every man will learn all that is necessary for salvation in Jesus Christ, and how to follow His Example.

For any person to begin to believe one may obtain understanding by reading alone is not right. There is no perfectly transcribed or translated Bible in this age today, but understanding will come by the Holy Spirit, for we are taught of God.


John146 said:
Ok, then where are the pure words of God that He promised to preserve for all generations? How do you know about the Savior if not for the written words of God? Do you have something you can hold in your hands that you can trust every word to be pure and right?
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How do I teach Psalm 12:6-7 to my son? John 17:17? Matthew 4:4? Only what's necessary for salvation? Surely there is more. So the Holy Spirit tells you as your reading your Bible, "That verse you can trust, but that one you can't."
Is that what you're getting at?

I need a perfect book, containing the pure words of God in order for the Holy Spirit to teach me.

JaumeJ said:
God teaches us all, Himself. When I was drawn to Jesus Christ, it was by means of the Holy Spirit.. There was no well-meaning fellow in Christ preaching to me, all came by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit led ,e tp read the Word several times and all I needed to understand was given me. Since then I have read the Word dozens of times but those first times were teh crucial and most enlightening.

Now, reading the Word only confirms what the Holy Spirit teaches us, and He continues teaching us what we need to know all of our time in this age. No man will be expert to interpret all of the Word for all others, but every man will learn all that is necessary for salvation in Jesus Christ, and how to follow His Example.

For any person to begin to believe one may obtain understanding by reading alone is not right. There is no perfectly transcribed or translated Bible in this age today, but understanding will come by the Holy Spirit, for we are taught of God.
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Blain,

I know what is said on both sides, and the posts here are so predicable. To simply and honestly answer your post from my opinion, understanding and my choice, as a sole kjv user, it's about words, terms, doctrine, edification process of instruction in righteousness. There is a built in system, or structure, of curriculum in the material of inspiration and preservation. This is how purity has power, "scripture interprets scripture."
 
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We are each of extreme value to our Father. He loves you very much. We were like the one sheep that wantered off, and the Good Shepherd came for us to put us back with the flock. You are important but not all are called to know everything, actually none re. If you know about the salvation of Jesus Christ, , you know all that is necessary. If you wish to know more, you will if you seek, and pray and meditate. As for you teaching your son, I am afraid fi the Holy Spirit is not teachign through you, he will not understand anything, but you, if you have faith, know God will teach him through you be it His will. As for my knowing everything I read, no, and no other man does either, but we know what we need to know. You pray for your son to receive Jesus Christ and understanding, then offer yourself as an instrument of God's teaching. If it is God's will you are used, good. My father did plant seeds, but the actual coming to full belief came by the Holy Spirit and the gift of faith. Keep planting those seeds, if they do not grow instantaneously, well, you and millions of othe r fathers have had the same experience. All will be just fine. You are precious to God, so why doubt that your son is not the same......of course he is precious also... It is written we will be taught of God.....wait on the Lord,.


John146 said:
How do I teach Psalm 12:6-7 to my son? John 17:17? Matthew 4:4? Only what's necessary for salvation? Surely there is more. So the Holy Spirit tells you as your reading your Bible, "That verse you can trust, but that one you can't."
Is that what you're getting at?

I need a perfect book, containing the pure words of God in order for the Holy Spirit to teach me.
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just for the record I am not here to put down or water down the kjv as i enjoy reading it as well, however i also like other versions as well. the whole debate on which bible translation is actually the word of God is long and unending but regardless which side is true or not one thing i have seen is that God speaks to his children in all of the translations I have come across. I am a firm believer that either the entire word of God is flawless and is his word or else none of it is. The heart decides what is the word of God in the end not historical documents or which ones we believe is the true word of god, the very first bible version I ever read was the niv and i felt my soul consuming everything I read as if it was the finest foods the sweetest of wines I hungered for more and I even had a couple of supernatural experiences with that bible.

I wish i still had it that bible holds many treasured memories experiences with God conversations started from it truths and growing that I learned from it. But I also know that these memories and treasured times are not only sketched in that bible but in my heart as well and honestly i think that is what it all comes down to-the heart. that's what it's always been about, in our faith in our relationship with God who are in him who we are not if our fire for him sizzles out or only continues to increase our hearts have always been the deciding factor.

Actually i like the chat he and I had yesterday I told him how i don't have much to offer him at least anything good, all i have to give him is my willingness and my heart. I then said I can give you all I own everything you have given me but something tells me that's not what your after.
 
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