The law of God is not the problem, it's sin!

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Then your not ignorant of the warning of being a servant to sin. No need for the rant.*


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Thats a sleezy put down and you know know it

But that is part and parcel for the attacks on this forum. You cannot address scripture that someone else posts to refute your error so you create a diversion and try to belittle the response

It appears you are simply a legalist who undermines GRACE and rather than discuss you post personal attacks
 
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Your just double speaking to ignore the truth of Gods Word... "the strength of Sin is the law" that's what the bible clearly teaches .... Now if you deny that..you deny the truth and need to just stop all this nonsense where you pretend to be defending sound doctrine.

Ro 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
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Sin was in the world before the law, and death reigned by sin before the law. So your bassakward mentality of removing the law in order to remove sin in your life will fail. Don't blame the law of God for your lust and sins.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Sin was in the world before the law, and death reigned by sin before the law. So your bassakward mentality of removing the law in order to remove sin in your life will fail. Don't blame the law of God for your lust and sins.
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Dude I did not write that..Paul by the command of Almighty God, wrote that... Now you can yield to the truth or deny the truth at your own desires...but don't pretend to defend the truth while you clearly reject it.

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
 
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ember said:
It appears you are simply a legalist who undermines GRACE and rather than discuss you post personal attacks
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I didn't make a personal attack, I just agreed that your not ignorant of the fact that those who commit sin are a servant of sin. And your legalist comment is just a straw man attempt, which is to be expected, because my post is about being set free from the law of sin and death by the grace of God. :)
 
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Dude I did not write that..Paul by the command of Almighty God, wrote that... Now you can yield to the truth or deny the truth at your own desires...but don't pretend to defend the truth while you clearly reject it.

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
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I agree with the scriptures, just not your take on how the law of God causes you to lust and sin. Like I said before, that notion is ridiculous!
 
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Sin is the original problem. Jesus dealt with sin directly. Let's rest in the Word of God which settles all disputes:

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Cor 5:21
 
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Telling me I dont need to rant is a personal attack

You should recognize it as such and stop excusing it

You dont address my post questioning your interpretation

Instead you make a personal put down and call my post a rant

Your smiley face is not fooling anyone
 
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the law was never a curse to me and the law certainly never made me want to sin, I wrote his laws on my heart and didn't consider them to be chains on me I instead found joy in his laws. Only ten simple commands and we as mankind couldn't fully obey them, people say the law was a curse because of this but there are those who found joy in the law such as David, in fact he praised God for his laws and wrote them on his heart as well.

something also that must be understood is even though we have the gift of grace it is in no way a free ticket to do as we please and also at the same time understanding the gift of grace knowing how lost we would be without it naturally produces gratefulness and praise to God. I know the darkness inside my own heart I am not unaware of my flaws my weaknesses my sins and thus I am all the more grateful for his unfailing and unending love and grace. because i know the depth of my own sin and darkness I am able to greatly appreciate his gift of grace and do not take it for granted.
 
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And there is a difference between "sin"..the noun ( person, place or thing ) and the verb "sinning"..or to sin..which is a action

"sin" the noun is an entity or power in our flesh and it will always be there until we leave this earth. Romans 7:17-20

"sinning" is something we can do.....we are saints that sometimes sin.
 
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ember said:
Telling me I dont need to rant is a personal attack

You should recognize it as such and stop excusing it

You dont address my post questioning your interpretation

Instead you make a personal put down and call my post a rant

Your smiley face is not fooling anyone
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Well, I went back and read it again, and it was a rant. I callz em az I seez em. :)
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Well, I went back and read it again, and it was a rant. I callz em az I seez em. :)
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yes, and you do not see things very well it would appear. when anyone denies clear Biblical teaching, as in " the strength of sin is the law", they have a sight problem. or an over-inflated ego problem. or both.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
And there is a difference between "sin"..the noun ( person, place or thing ) and the verb "sinning"..or to sin..which is a action

"sin" the noun is an entity or power in our flesh and it will always be there until we leave this earth. Romans 7:17-20

"sinning" is something we can do.....we are saints that sometimes sin.
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That sin nature will be there as long as you are in the flesh, but when a person is born again of the Spirit they are given a new nature, and that wicked one touches them not.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Well, I went back and read it again, and it was a rant. I callz em az I seez em. :)
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rant

speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way

this is not what ember was doing so if you call them as you see them then you need to learn to see through God's eyes not your own
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
That sin nature will be there as long as you are in the flesh, but when a person is born again of the Spirit they are given a new nature, and that wicked one touches them not.
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1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
can you explain to me what he was meaning if in fact one can be sinless?
 
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for anyone interested in this topic.....this gives a good understanding of why we still sin as Christians.....


[video=youtube;Bi-oq5qBkWA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi-oq5qBkWA[/video]
 
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yes, and you do not see things very well it would appear. when anyone denies clear Biblical teaching, as in " the strength of sin is the law", they have a sight problem. or an over-inflated ego problem. or both.
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Let me say it again, I do not deny what the scriptures say, just peoples twist on the meanings of the scriptures. Sin was in the world before the law, and death was also in the world before the law. The law came because of transgressions, to expose sin for what it already was= sinful The law is not sin, so even if you remove the law you will not remove the sin nature working in mankind. So the law just gave strength to sin because it proves sin to be exceedingly sinful.

Romans 7:12-25 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
 
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Blain said:
rant

speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way

this is not what ember was doing so if you call them as you see them then you need to learn to see through God's eyes not your own
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I disagree, she is well known for it. :)
 
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1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
can you explain to me what he was meaning if in fact one can be sinless?
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Ah the go to verse for ongoing sinners. All that verse does is confirm that all have in fact sinned, but it should not to be used as a crutch to support ongoing sin.

Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” As it is also written in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,”
 
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