Why the king james?

[Mitspa]

So your putting trust in the Greek manuscripts. Which ones? There are thousands of them. You know they are copies of copies of copies etc...Do you not trust that God could preserve His words in the English language?

They all agree ... and in the places where some are different it can be easily explained ... as far as im concerned ..there is no question on any passage of scripture that in anyway would affect sound doctrine ...

 

[John146]

I agree with you to a point. There were some that had been corrupted like the Alexandrian texts.

if you claim the Greek text are not certain? That's based on your ignorance of how those text have been preserved and how they agree with each other ..even tho they was spread though out the known world and brought back together over almost two thousand years ...its amazing how much they do agree...in fact its clearly a miracle of God in how He has preserved all these many manuscripts from all these many places ...


The argument that the text cant be trusted because of some minor differences is only made by those that are ignorant of the facts.

 

[Mitspa]

I agree with you to a point. There were some that had been corrupted like the Alexandrian texts.

Oh come on? Besides KJV propaganda ..you have no evidence or proof the Alexandrian text are corrupted in any way... I would bet you don't even really understand much about those text but are just repeating things you have heard on the internet.

 

[Complete_In_Him]

I would bet you don't even really understand much about those text but are just repeating things you have heard on the internet.

Rut-Roh John146, haha. This is actually a pretty good thread. John146, we do not have to defend the kjbible, just the doctrine of preservation, really. What is preserved and why.

 

[Complete_In_Him]

Was the NT written in Greek? Why Greek? Wow, I guess it would stink if you didn't speak Greek

Yeah, haha. I have heard it said that Greek is the Christian's modern day "tongues", none of the Christians are running off to learn any of the other languages to share the gospel of God. But, Greek, to what? rely on the teaching of the Holy Spirit in their own language, nope.

This is exactly what work out your own salvation with "fear and trembling" is all about, lean not on your own understanding.

 

[Dino246]

Psalm 12:6-7, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in the furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever."

The KJV as the seventh one in the line as God perfected His Bible:

1. Tyndale Bible
2. Coverdale Bible
3. Matthew's Bible
4. Great Bible
5. Geneva Bible
6. Bishop's Bible
7. King James Bible

Purified seven times. It is pure, with no mixture.

So I guess the autographs weren't pure? Your logic is faulty.

 

[John146]

What I know is what God's word says about Egypt. Egypt is put in a negative light throughout Scripture, usually a type of worldly things. A friend sent me this a while back concerning Alexandria and Egypt. Knowing what God's word has said about Alexandria and Egypt, why would any believer trust the manuscripts coming from Alexandria?

1. Egypt is first mentioned in connection with Abraham not trusting Egyptians around his wife (Gen. 12:10-13).
2. One of the greatest types of Christ in the Bible was sold into Egypt as a slave (Gen. 37:36).
3. Joseph did not want his bones left in Egypt (Gen. 50:25).
4. God killed all the firstborn of Egypt (Exo. 12:12).
5. God calls Egypt "the house of bondage" (Exo. 20:4).
6. God calls Egypt an "iron furnace" (Deu. 4:20).
7. The Kings of Israel were even forbidden to get horses from Egypt (Deu. 17:16), so why should we look there for a Bible?
8. The Jews were forbidden to go to Egypt for help (Jer. 42:13-19).
9. God plans to punish Egypt (Jer. 46:25).
10. God calls His Son out of Egypt (Hos. 11:1; Mat. 2:15).
11. Egypt is placed in the same category as Sodom (Rev. 11:8).
12. The first time Alexandria is mentioned in the Bible, it is associated with unbelievers, persecution, and the eventual death of Stephen (Acts 6:9; 7:54-60).
13. The next mention of Alexandria involves a lost preacher who has to be set straight on his doctrine (Acts 18:24-26).
14. The last two times we read about Alexandria is in Acts 27:6 and Acts 28:11. Here we learn that Paul was carried to his eventual death in Rome by two ships from Alexandria .

Oh come on? Besides KJV propaganda ..you have no evidence or proof the Alexandrian text are corrupted in any way... I would bet you don't even really understand much about those text but are just repeating things you have heard on the internet.

 

[John146]

I didn't say that. This shows the purification process into a perfect English Bible. Btw, where are the original autographs? God allowed Moses to destroy the original Ten Commandments written by His own hand. How much emphasis did God place on His originals? God knew He could preserve a copy of what He gave to Moses and that's what He did.

So I guess the autographs weren't pure? Your logic is faulty.

 

[Mitspa]

Rut-Roh John146, haha. This is actually a pretty good thread. John146, we do not have to defend the kjbible, just the doctrine of preservation, really. What is preserved and why.

Not sure of your point? No one has to defend the KJV from me .. I think its clearly the best translation because of that true man of God ..Tyndale ...from whom most of the KJV is copied. Despite the clear and evident fact that King James and his cronies in the Church of England was very wicked men.

 

[John146]

Can you prove King James was a wicked man? Most documentation says different.

"I never with God's grace shall do anything in private which I may not without shame proclaim upon the tops of houses."

Do you know who said that? King James, 1906.

Not sure of your point? No one has to defend the KJV from me .. I think its clearly the best translation because of that true man of God ..Tyndale ...from whom most of the KJV is copied. Despite the clear and evident fact that King James and his cronies in the Church of England was very wicked men.

 

[Mitspa]

Can you prove King James was a wicked man? Most documentation says different.

"I never with God's grace shall do anything in private which I may not without shame proclaim upon the tops of houses."

Do you know who said that? King James, 1906.

Friend ..its not even debatable ...King James was very ungodly and probably a homosexual? But again the quality of the translation is not based on James or his crew that was trying to uphold the church of England ... Tyndale wrote most of what the KJV claimed and was without doubt a true man of God.

 

[Mitspa]

By the way..your date must be wrong?

 

[Dino246]

I didn't say that. This shows the purification process into a perfect English Bible. Btw, where are the original autographs? God allowed Moses to destroy the original Ten Commandments written by His own hand. How much emphasis did God place on His originals? God knew He could preserve a copy of what He gave to Moses and that's what He did.

Dodge. I clearly showed that your logic is faulty with one question, and you don't accept it.

You overlooked the 'as' in verse 6. It is a simile. You also have overlooked the fact that at least one of the pre-KJV versions had several revisions, so your numbers don't add up. Friend, it's time to admit that you are incorrect.

Read the KJV if you want; I don't think anyone will fault you for that. But please, don't use silly arguments to "prove" that the KJV stands above.

 

[Complete_In_Him]

Not sure of your point?

It wasn't about you in anyway. My point was about & to John146.

No one has to defend the KJV from me

I can see that, in your words, in more than one post, but I particularly like and agree with the one below.

There is no reason any honest believer cant, with the Spirit of Truth, study out the differences in translations which in general are not that great. Lazy people will always be deceived ...but those that labor to gain true understanding will have a reward.

 

[posthuman]

Faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

that would the the word, spoken in the hearing ^



it doesn't say "faith comes by reading, and reading by the writing" in the KJV does it?

hahaha

no one comes who isn't drawn by Him, to know Him and His Son is life - and no one knows Him except who the SOin has chosen to reveal Him to.

so the only way i know of Him is because He drew me, spoke to me, and gave me ears to hear, and that He Himself told me of Him.

 

[John146]

ha ha, 1603

By the way..your date must be wrong?

 

[John146]

No one has ever proven that the KJV is not God's word. The 1611 should be considered innocent until proven guilty with a significant amount of genuine manuscript evidence. Can anyone show me where it goes wrong?

 

[Complete_In_Him]

that would the the word, spoken in the hearing ^



it doesn't say "faith comes by reading, and reading by the writing" in the KJV does it?

hahaha

no one comes who isn't drawn by Him, to know Him and His Son is life - and no one knows Him except who the Son has chosen to reveal Him to.

so the only way i know of Him is because He drew me, spoke to me, and gave me ears to hear, and that He Himself told me of Him.

The bible is for saved persons, not necessarily soul salvation. The bible is for doctrine, reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness of the saints... now the question stands, how will we walk, how will we work, free will choice is at hand. When it comes to the doctrine and the edification process, who will do the will of the Father. How do you follow the blueprints for your house, without the king james bible, it is impossible. Inspired words, preserved arrangement.

 

[Mitspa]

No one has ever proven that the KJV is not God's word. The 1611 should be considered innocent until proven guilty with a significant amount of genuine manuscript evidence. Can anyone show me where it goes wrong?

Its a translation from the Greek of Gods Word... Its a good translation and Tyndale who is responsible was clearly a godly man who suffered and died to give us a good translation of Gods Word from the Greek text available att. If you want to be irrational about the 1611 version (revised 8 times) then who can make you think in a rational way? But the fact is that the KJV has some clear errors ..VERY CLEAR errors ... even after all these revisions.

 

[Grace777x70]

How did all the Christians live for the 1600 years before the KJV came along? ...there are many good translations out there......no one translation is "The word of God"" over another translation......