Why the king james?
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Maybe this is too simple... But.... I always thought that it was called the living word... The word of God speaks to each one of us because God has something different to say to each one of us that He wants us to know.. And He knows just how to say it so we can understand it. The different versions may not specifically say things the exact same way, but do they really take anything away from what the very essence of the Bible is... God the father.... Jesus... And the Holy Spirit?
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Yes they do, and the doctrines of God. Scripture is meant to connect doctrines. But, through the use of multi-translations words are added or simply taken away, destroying the pattern of comparing spiritual things with spiritual things.
Take the importance of the decree "this day have I begotten thee" a resurrection truth. When was the Son "begotten" by the Father, it was from the dead. There is no other record given to this word and testimony in the bible, but Revelation 1:5 kjv
Take the importance of the decree "this day have I begotten thee" a resurrection truth. When was the Son "begotten" by the Father, it was from the dead. There is no other record given to this word and testimony in the bible, but Revelation 1:5 kjv
This is also false. Using infusion (pouring) for baptism goes back to the Apostolic age.
The Didache was written around A.D. 70 and, though not inspired, is a strong witness to the sacramental practice of Christians in the apostolic age. In its seventh chapter, the Didache reads, "Concerning baptism, baptize in this manner: Having said all these things beforehand, baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." These instructions were composed either while some of the apostles and disciples were still alive or during the next generation of Christians, and they represent an already established custom.
The Didache was written around A.D. 70 and, though not inspired, is a strong witness to the sacramental practice of Christians in the apostolic age. In its seventh chapter, the Didache reads, "Concerning baptism, baptize in this manner: Having said all these things beforehand, baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." These instructions were composed either while some of the apostles and disciples were still alive or during the next generation of Christians, and they represent an already established custom.
And would be the authority to say this word is right, but this word is not right....man. Puny man would be the authority on what God had said. I don't trust the KJV because of the godly men who translated it...I trust it, because God promised to preserve His pure words for all generations. When you look at the evidence between manuscripts, it should be clear. Antioch or Alexandria?
The context of the whole book of Hosea would suggest that this is the best way to translate this Hebrew phrase is exactly as the King James Bible (and some others) has it - "who love flagons of wine".
Hosea 2:8 "For she did not know that I gave her corn, and WINE, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal."
Hosea 4:11 "Whoredom and WINE AND NEW WINE take away the heart."
Hosea 7:5 "In the day of our king the princes have made him sick with BOTTLES OF WINE; he stretched out his hand with scorners."
Hosea 7:14 "And they have not cried unto me with their heart, when they howled upon their beds: they assemble themselves for corn and WINE, and they rebel against me."
Hosea 9:2 and 4 - "The floor and the WINEPRESS shall not feed them, and THE NEW WINE shall fail in her...They shall not offer WINE offerings to the LORD, neither shall they be pleasing unto him."
Hosea 2:8 "For she did not know that I gave her corn, and WINE, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal."
Hosea 4:11 "Whoredom and WINE AND NEW WINE take away the heart."
Hosea 7:5 "In the day of our king the princes have made him sick with BOTTLES OF WINE; he stretched out his hand with scorners."
Hosea 7:14 "And they have not cried unto me with their heart, when they howled upon their beds: they assemble themselves for corn and WINE, and they rebel against me."
Hosea 9:2 and 4 - "The floor and the WINEPRESS shall not feed them, and THE NEW WINE shall fail in her...They shall not offer WINE offerings to the LORD, neither shall they be pleasing unto him."
There are 4 small extremely wise things on the earth - ants, conies, locusts and spiders.
Ants are not strong but they're smart enough to gather all the food they need in the summer.
Conies are feeble and can't defend themselves so they make their houses in the safety of the rocks.
Locusts have no leader yet they are wise enough to stick together as if they had a leader.
Spiders work their hands yet they live in kings palaces.
Notice every verse in the KJV is about the abilities of the creature and it's wisdom. The same is true also in the NASB except for verse 28... the pattern disappears here. It goes from a spider grasping with her hands to someone grasping a lizard with their hands. Just guessing here but the NASB translators tried to interpret scripture here instead of just translating it.... I don't think they knew that spiders really do have hands.
Proverbs 30:28New American Standard Bible (NASB)
28 The lizard you may grasp with the hands,
Yet it is in kings’ palaces.
Ants are not strong but they're smart enough to gather all the food they need in the summer.
Conies are feeble and can't defend themselves so they make their houses in the safety of the rocks.
Locusts have no leader yet they are wise enough to stick together as if they had a leader.
Spiders work their hands yet they live in kings palaces.
Notice every verse in the KJV is about the abilities of the creature and it's wisdom. The same is true also in the NASB except for verse 28... the pattern disappears here. It goes from a spider grasping with her hands to someone grasping a lizard with their hands. Just guessing here but the NASB translators tried to interpret scripture here instead of just translating it.... I don't think they knew that spiders really do have hands.
Proverbs 30:28New American Standard Bible (NASB)
28 The lizard you may grasp with the hands,
Yet it is in kings’ palaces.
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hmm,, reminds me of the commercial where the talking gecko tries to sell insurance from gieco insurance.. They kept confusing him for gieco.. now I guess the KJV interprets him as a spider?? (my NKJV has spider also with a side note that says lizard.. I was like WHAT????. thanks for bringing that up)
I agree in a sense...but the reality is that "begotten" in John 1:18 is a completely different greek word then in Rev 1:5 KJV...
In Rev 1:5..Jesus was the "firstborn" from the dead.......the "begotten" part means that Jesus was unique and completely only-begotten from the Father.
Altho these 2 terms are closely related..they are talking about different aspects of Jesus...one from the Father being only begotten...the Rev1:5 He was the first born from the dead..and we are his fruit as we too follow in His being brought back from being dead...
Only, unique, only-begotten
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.
In Rev 1:5..Jesus was the "firstborn" from the dead.......the "begotten" part means that Jesus was unique and completely only-begotten from the Father.
Altho these 2 terms are closely related..they are talking about different aspects of Jesus...one from the Father being only begotten...the Rev1:5 He was the first born from the dead..and we are his fruit as we too follow in His being brought back from being dead...
Only, unique, only-begotten
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.
This whole topic about the KJV being "the only word of God as a translation" is ludicrous....my goodness..I can't even believe it exists...*shakes head*...anyway have fun debating over nothing....
Deuteronomy 32:31-33 KJV
For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
[32] For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
[33] Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
If we have access to the word of God wouldn't you want it? Wouldn't you hold it precious above all other books? Would you want someone changing it, adding to it, degrading it, watering it down? I would hope not. I would hope you would defend it to the very end.
This whole topic about the KJV being "the only word of God as a translation" is ludicrous....my goodness..I can't even believe it exists...*shakes head*...anyway have fun debating over nothing....
God said about His word, that it is truth. I need His word of truth, His sword, to defend myself against this world. If it's not 100% truth, it's just another good book like many others. All of it must be true or it can't be trustworthy. Please tell me, if the KJV is not the word of God, point me to what you think is. The Greek manuscripts? NASB? NIV? ESV?
This whole topic about the KJV being "the only word of God as a translation" is ludicrous....my goodness..I can't even believe it exists...*shakes head*...anyway have fun debating over nothing....