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Thank you for thanking me While the OP had an obvious chip on his shoulder, it did create good dialogue about who is in control and who is responsible.
Some Christians say God is in control, while others say God gave that control to man who gave it to Satan. Ultimately, it may not matter concerning responsibility as one doesn't need to be "in charge" (whatever that means) to be accountable. If one has the ability to do a certain task, then they are responsible, even if it's indirectly so.
So who's responsible for the evil in the world. Is it God? Is it man? Is it Satan? Technically, it's all three. All three have the ability to prevent or cause evil or suffering to some degree in the world. Satan obviously wants to cause evil, so he's probably not interested in preventing it. Mankind is an imperfect creature who creates all sorts of good and evil in the world. While attempts are made to prevent and eliminate certain evils, humans, in their given state, are not capable of eliminating evil entirely. So then there is God. Whether or not he is in control or the cause is not significant. What matters is that he has the capability to prevent it but chooses not to....except, sometimes he does choose to. Christians view God as a personal God who interacts with his creation, oftentimes answering prayers and intervening in people's lives.
So the dilemma is this. There is a God who does intervene on occasion but chooses, by and large, to let a massive amount of evil and suffering go on in the world even though He is capable of stopping/preventing it.
Some Christians say God is in control, while others say God gave that control to man who gave it to Satan. Ultimately, it may not matter concerning responsibility as one doesn't need to be "in charge" (whatever that means) to be accountable. If one has the ability to do a certain task, then they are responsible, even if it's indirectly so.
So who's responsible for the evil in the world. Is it God? Is it man? Is it Satan? Technically, it's all three. All three have the ability to prevent or cause evil or suffering to some degree in the world. Satan obviously wants to cause evil, so he's probably not interested in preventing it. Mankind is an imperfect creature who creates all sorts of good and evil in the world. While attempts are made to prevent and eliminate certain evils, humans, in their given state, are not capable of eliminating evil entirely. So then there is God. Whether or not he is in control or the cause is not significant. What matters is that he has the capability to prevent it but chooses not to....except, sometimes he does choose to. Christians view God as a personal God who interacts with his creation, oftentimes answering prayers and intervening in people's lives.
So the dilemma is this. There is a God who does intervene on occasion but chooses, by and large, to let a massive amount of evil and suffering go on in the world even though He is capable of stopping/preventing it.
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I think a lot of times christians are able to prevent it but they're ignorant or lazy. I complained to God why He just lets people go to hell. He said: Why don't you pray that they get saved? You are the one that doesn't care.
God is able to stop all evil and suffering only by ending it all which He will in the end, but He is longsuffering and wants everyone saved. So instead of discussing it let's get fired up and start a worldwide revival.
God is able to stop all evil and suffering only by ending it all which He will in the end, but He is longsuffering and wants everyone saved. So instead of discussing it let's get fired up and start a worldwide revival.
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When speaking to the native Americans there is a lot of history that has been buried by our government.
I will give you a for instance.
This is a true fact but many do not know, the Lakota were forced to cut their hair and forced to go to white schools, if they spoke in their native tongue the children were beaten. The children were forcibly seperated from parents and the parents were separated from the rez and placed in inner cities. A part of a government program to establish the Sioux in a productive life style.
I bring this up as an example for the reason the op seems so stand offish in his view. You see this happened quietly as the rest of the Americans were busy watching the news on tv as the Viet nam war was coming to a end. Just a little glimpse in what I can say is a recent event.
I've studied American history for years and have come across many truths buried in the books.
I've studied native American history for 40 yrs. You'd be surprised at what went on and is going on even today. I have much to say to anyone who is native American and how the Lord knows their struggle.
I will give you a for instance.
This is a true fact but many do not know, the Lakota were forced to cut their hair and forced to go to white schools, if they spoke in their native tongue the children were beaten. The children were forcibly seperated from parents and the parents were separated from the rez and placed in inner cities. A part of a government program to establish the Sioux in a productive life style.
I bring this up as an example for the reason the op seems so stand offish in his view. You see this happened quietly as the rest of the Americans were busy watching the news on tv as the Viet nam war was coming to a end. Just a little glimpse in what I can say is a recent event.
I've studied American history for years and have come across many truths buried in the books.
I've studied native American history for 40 yrs. You'd be surprised at what went on and is going on even today. I have much to say to anyone who is native American and how the Lord knows their struggle.
That makes it 2 years old then...because by the time they were 2...my boys KNEW the difference but still did something else...I'd say..don't touch that......and the lovely little creatures would be reaching for the very thing that is not allowed to be touched.. the whole time keeping their eyes on me ...so for me..2 is the age then...lol
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Or younger even. My brother was so young he was placed in a high chair with his plastic bottle. (1967 -- when glass baby bottles were replaced by the plastic outer container with a bag inside and a smaller nipple on top. I remember being so impressed they finally got rid of glass baby bottles. lol) He knocked it over by accident, and I rushed to get it for him.
And then he threw it over and over again, because he gained personal enjoyment making his sister do his whim. I think we're born with innate selfishness. (Granted, I was/am the doting older sister, so I encouraged it. lol)
And then he threw it over and over again, because he gained personal enjoyment making his sister do his whim. I think we're born with innate selfishness. (Granted, I was/am the doting older sister, so I encouraged it. lol)
Here are my thoughts:
1. God is good. Period.
2. Anyone who claims that God sent all Native Americans to hell is being uppity and pretending that they are the Holy Spirit. We are not in charge of this. We can speculate based on our (often limited and biased) views of God and scriptures, but GOD is the one in charge. HE decides who gets heaven and who gets hell.
3. Approaching this issue with the underlying idea of "How dare God do thus and such" is the wrong approach. It's not faith-based. God doesn't need to prove himself to us. We are the creation, he is the Creator. (Of course, GOD IS GOOD so He actually has proven himself to us through the person of Jesus).
4. To understand the mind of God we must know God intimately. Lots of people mistake "researching God" for "knowing God." Kind of like they think stalking someone on Facebook is a relationship. There are lots of people who stalk God on Facebook (so to speak). They'll google God and interview people about God and read about God, but they don't really have a relationship with God. They don't love him. They don't trust him. They don't pray to Him and spend time with Him. They're too afraid of the incredible level of vulnerability that is required to be a person of faith. Because of that, they don't experience the love of God and instead are constantly questioning God's motives...which is a little uppity.
5. And this leads me back to your original question regarding aboriginal peoples. I believe that God is good. As a result of this, it is impossible for me to believe that he would allow people to experience hell without actively pursuing every person on the planet.
You didn't even give Brother Don a chance to respond. He was not trying to promote the info in the links. It was his response to the OP which spoke of God creating the native americans to go to hell since they had no way to hear the gospel. This person is a TROLL and should be the one to be banned. Brother Don was just presenting something he found on the internet, he never stated that those were his beliefs or that they were truth.
I am his son and I know him better than anybody else. So go ahead and check the IP administrators, you will see it's the same and probably ban me too and make up some story about how it was brother Don incognito. No actually, I come home from work to him telling me about how he got banned from CC. It was no surprise to me, I am no stranger to this website, in fact, I introduced him to it quite a few years ago as a way for us to fellowship with others. But he had that opportunity taken away today. He isn't able to get out of the house and have fellowship with other Christians. He told me about the "Native American Jesus Story" yesterday when I got home from work and I told him it sounded like something somebody made up and he made it clear that he wasn't convinced, but that it was just something for the guy in the OP to think about.
For all you "Christians" who are so quick to judge and throw false accusations out there that He was promoting New Age heresy is wrong. He didn't know anything about the sources of the links he posted, he barely knows how to use a computer let alone to research on it. Shame on you people, this is one of the reasons I quit getting on this site, other than the begging for donations. Ban my dad if you must but please do not be denouncing him as a heretic because at that point things get personal. That is defamation of character at it's finest on display going on here and I really hope you just end up closing this thread down.
I am his son and I know him better than anybody else. So go ahead and check the IP administrators, you will see it's the same and probably ban me too and make up some story about how it was brother Don incognito. No actually, I come home from work to him telling me about how he got banned from CC. It was no surprise to me, I am no stranger to this website, in fact, I introduced him to it quite a few years ago as a way for us to fellowship with others. But he had that opportunity taken away today. He isn't able to get out of the house and have fellowship with other Christians. He told me about the "Native American Jesus Story" yesterday when I got home from work and I told him it sounded like something somebody made up and he made it clear that he wasn't convinced, but that it was just something for the guy in the OP to think about.
For all you "Christians" who are so quick to judge and throw false accusations out there that He was promoting New Age heresy is wrong. He didn't know anything about the sources of the links he posted, he barely knows how to use a computer let alone to research on it. Shame on you people, this is one of the reasons I quit getting on this site, other than the begging for donations. Ban my dad if you must but please do not be denouncing him as a heretic because at that point things get personal. That is defamation of character at it's finest on display going on here and I really hope you just end up closing this thread down.