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oh my goodness. I can't stop laughing...
"I was frightened and thought I was dreaming, it was such a thunderclap, such a great horrid fart did you let go here! You certainly pressed with great might to let out such a thunderous fart - it is a wonder that it did not tear your hole and belly apart!"
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MsKy
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I just read that one too. I laughed so loud that my dog looked up at me like I was crazy.
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand." John 10:28-29
The good seed that brings forth good fruit. I do not know if you can see things from the Lords perspective. He is declaring that the good soil, that receives the words and intent and works of Jesus, become real, eternal, unperishable.
He is not declaring do this formula and you are saved. He is saying follow me, listen to my words, let them dwell in your heart, love me and love itself will be released in your innermost being. He is saying there is a Kingdom divide.
Some will listen and follow and become while others will not. He is saying to encourage those who here, ignore those who are not of the Kingdom, it does not matter one bit. We walk to eternity, to truth, to reality. As a living believing being I encourage you to continue following to know who you have believed in and just say Amen.
If you know the emotional reality of love and purity, you know doctrines to make you secure are ideas here one day and gone the next. Some talk about faith from a head knowledge, from emotionally defended hearts that will create any excuse than walk as the Lord intended.
The good seed that brings forth good fruit. I do not know if you can see things from the Lords perspective. He is declaring that the good soil, that receives the words and intent and works of Jesus, become real, eternal, unperishable.
He is not declaring do this formula and you are saved. He is saying follow me, listen to my words, let them dwell in your heart, love me and love itself will be released in your innermost being. He is saying there is a Kingdom divide.
Some will listen and follow and become while others will not. He is saying to encourage those who here, ignore those who are not of the Kingdom, it does not matter one bit. We walk to eternity, to truth, to reality. As a living believing being I encourage you to continue following to know who you have believed in and just say Amen.
If you know the emotional reality of love and purity, you know doctrines to make you secure are ideas here one day and gone the next. Some talk about faith from a head knowledge, from emotionally defended hearts that will create any excuse than walk as the Lord intended.
A famous Calvinist verse...but the Bible makes it plain in John 12:32 that Christ will draw all men to Himself. "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."
All men are drawn to Christ, but not all men will trust Him as Savior. All men have been given light, John 1:9, "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Even through creation God draws men to Himself in Romans 1. Romans 2, God calls men through their conscience. Men go to Hell, not because of their inability to come to Christ, but because they will not come to Christ. "Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." It doesn't say, ye cannot come to me.
All men are drawn to Christ, but not all men will trust Him as Savior. All men have been given light, John 1:9, "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Even through creation God draws men to Himself in Romans 1. Romans 2, God calls men through their conscience. Men go to Hell, not because of their inability to come to Christ, but because they will not come to Christ. "Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." It doesn't say, ye cannot come to me.
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KennethC
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That is only if the believer chooses to walk by His righteousness that they are no longer a slave to sin.
This is why Paul said to walk by the Spirit and him and Peter both said and showed to add the fruit of the Spirit to our lives. As they both showed that fruit is not automatic, we can choose to walk by it or not !!!
Only by walking by the Spirit did Paul say to such there is no law, because if you still walk by the flesh you are still bond under the law of sin and death !!!
After coming to Christ a believer can still choose to serve sin (slave to it) or serve His righteousness (slave to Christ) !!!
I had to look this one up to understand how something so vulgar could be written by the father of the Reformation. Surely, I thought, this had to be from a personal letter as a joke to one of Luther's friends who he had feasted together with. Not so. This was written by Luther about the pope, whom he called papal-ass, when discussing papal jurisdiction claims based on John 21:15 (Against the Roman Papacy, an Institution of the Devil from Vol. 41). It's actually been modified in the Luther Insulter to hide that fact. So instead of it saying "such a great horrid fart did you let go here", it actually says, "such a great horrid fart did the papal ass let go!"
It's interesting to read Luther apologists defending such vulgar, ungodly language by appealing to the depravity of the culture of that time ("That's just what they did back then"). Apparently Luther was trying to win popularity in the debased culture in which he lived by becoming like them and using such vulgar terminology. If you ever wondered where the term ass-f_rt came from, that possibly could be Luther, who used the term to describe the pope in his writings.
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The funny thing about John 12:32 is...."men" is not in the original text...the translators added it in..in context Jesus is talking about judgment and how all judgment will be drawn to Him..
One could "explain" the adding of the word "men" into the text by saying because all judgment came to Jesus..all men should now be free to come to Him for forgiveness of sins as He has paid the price for all of us.
John 12:30-33 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. ( take "men" out and you will see that it is judgment for our sins that is being drawn to Jesus )
[SUP]33 [/SUP] This he said, signifying what death he should die. .
One could "explain" the adding of the word "men" into the text by saying because all judgment came to Jesus..all men should now be free to come to Him for forgiveness of sins as He has paid the price for all of us.
John 12:30-33 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. ( take "men" out and you will see that it is judgment for our sins that is being drawn to Jesus )
[SUP]33 [/SUP] This he said, signifying what death he should die. .
No, he was referring to all people (not all sins) who will have to appear before his throne to give an account to the one who paid for their sins. The existing ruler of the world was to be deposed and a new ruler of all people installed.
Your emotional 'reality' of love and purity is here one day and gone the next? How sad for you.
Its probably based on your performance or lack of performance.
Or perhaps your choices or lack of choices...
Its just simple pride, arrogance and leaning on your own understanding.
It has very little to do with 'emotionally defended hearts'.
There are too many people leaning on their own understanding of what they think everyone should do in order to mimic Christ. They give all these impossible commands that people have to do in order to follow after Christ.
The Truth is what Christ says. Come to me and I will give you rest. Without me, you can do nothing. With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
These simple statements should be more than enough to show everyone that it is the work of Christ, of God Himself, that draws us to Him and Saves us and keeps us Saved.
Why don't people understand Grace and that its a gift? This isn't a doctrine. This is the Lord Jesus Christ. This is what He does for Humanity. But our stupidity gets in the way. Our, all of our... pride, stubbornness, forgetfulness, laziness...
What changes? When we are saved by Grace through Faith and knowing its a gift how do we try to add our works as a pre-requisite to walking with the Lord??? Its either stupidity or lack of knowledge and revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. He who started a work in us is faithful to finish it. He will never leave us nor forsake us. God does not repent of His Gifts or Calling.
I suppose if you don't think you are secure in Christ, if you can somehow lose salvation, then you will be forever attempting to prove by your work that you belong. To people and to the Lord.
How many people that belong somewhere still attempt to prove they belong there? Its a wasted effort. Anywhere you belong, you belong by faith. You don't try to prove to anyone that you belong in your house. Well, why not? Because you have faith that your check pays the price for you to be there.
Its the same with the Kingdom of God. We don't have to prove that we belong. We have faith that the Lord Jesus Christ has paid the price for us to be there. We're not there because of our good works. We're not there because of our good choices. We are there because of 1 thing and 1 thing only. Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has done.
Let me ask you about your life. Are your emotions so fleeting? Are you tossed to and fro between what you believe is true and the next what you believe is false? Emotions are wrapped up with conviction, with certainty, with a sense of purpose and direction.
When Jesus sorts out our hearts we are not thrown all over the place. This is obviously your experience, but what I am saying that is not Jesus's intention in faith.
The role of the Holy Spirit is to confirm your convictions, to seal the work done in your heart.
I would not have expressed myself this way if I did not experience this.
One person described love as an intellectual assent, or choice. I have never known love to be this way. Everything we express in life is wrapped in emotion. If we strip out the emotion normally this means we are denying its reality.
Now if you truly love someone, a daughter, a son, your wife, to say this is non-emotional is to deny our humanity.
Those who often talk about God like this are putting God at a distance, and cannot control their real reaction, which might be hurt, rebellion, bitterness, anger, which are all valid feelings, but repressed so as to cope. This truly is the world of religious self denial and illusion.
Now God died for me. If this does not make your heart sing, you have a hard heart. It is at the core of worship and its meaning flowing from our being.
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eternally-gratefull
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again, Speak with no power.
If all you said was true, no one would ever lose salvation. SO you do not even practice what you preach, or believe it.
As for emotions. EMotions lead us astray, Sauls emotions got him to persecute and kill Christians. His faith in the risen lord God him to suffer to make christians.
There is a difference between a believer and his sin (falling to temptation and deliberate disobedience) and being a slave to sin. Anyone who is regenerated is not a 'Slave to sin - they are a new creation in Christ, set free from the '''Bondage of sin'' 'a slave to Christ'.
I think in your efforts to prove 'free will' you are very close to making another serious error.
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KennethC
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This is where you are wrong because you want to place a status on a person before they are even walking according to it !!!
That is faulty thinking and nowhere did Paul state a believer was free from sin or no longer a slave to sin before their actions showed that.
Romans 6:12-18 Apostle Paul is speaking to believers here, and he says here that believers can still present their members to still being slaves to sin. Paul says only being obedient to Christ will lead one away from being slaves to sin !!!
You can't be walking in His righteousness if your actions don't show it !!!
Hi Kenneth,
I never said a christin is free from sin.. and scriture makes it clear that the regenerate is not a slave to sin... This is the error you are running into in an effort to be right. I'll post again what I said.
There is a difference between a believer and his sin (falling to temptation and deliberate disobedience) and being a slave to sin. Anyone who is regenerated is not a 'Slave to sin - they are a new creation in Christ, set free from the '''Bondage of sin'' 'a slave to Christ'.
I think in your efforts to prove 'free will' you are very close to making another serious error.
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eternally-gratefull
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So you are not a slave to sin, because you had power to be obedient. It is all about you you you..
Yet when people tell you that, you say we misrepresent you..
Oh you are so blind,, no wonder you have been told truth over and over and over, and still can not get it, You have one of the hardest hearts of anyone I have ever known.
What is the difference between a believer and his sin? This is nonsensical. A believer sins because he obeys his fallen nature, so sin is an expression of that part of himself that he chooses to follow.
Heres what I said:
There is a difference between a believer and his sin (falling to temptation and deliberate disobedience) and being a slave to sin.
You are correct I should have said a 'believer's sin' ... but you knew that
. Again your attacking rather than trying to prove any point. I clearly state that a believer sins. And yes he chooses to sin Your point is mute!
Heres what I said:
There is a difference between a believer and his sin (falling to temptation and deliberate disobedience) and being a slave to sin.
You are correct I should have said a 'believer's sin' ... but you knew that
You must be feeling defensive because I wasn't 'attacking' you. I was trying to understand a confusing comment. And, no, I didn't know what you said I knew. Do you consider any questioning of your comments an attack?