CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

[Tintin]

Woop de freakin' do if some animals engage in homosexual behaviour. It doesn't mean it's natural. We live in a fugged up world, a fallen world. That's the result. People doing all kinds of unnatural things. Animals doing all kinds of unnatural things. Sin is unnatural, as is death. We're just used to living in world that's fallen from grace.

 

[Beloved777]

Can a Christian deny Christ?

Hint: Remember Peter? [TABLE="class: passage-cols"]
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Hint: "And Peter went out and wept bitterly."

 

[crossnote]

We can't take anomalies found in nature and turn them into an excuse for immoral behavior...

Jude 1:10 KJVS
[10] But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.


2 Peter 2:12 KJVS
[12] But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

 

[bikerchaz]

Then you missed the whole point of the thread......

If you want to think so, ok.
It will never become clear who is who and what and why anyone believes what they do until stood before Christ.
I should not have to go into "every knee shall bow", so why are we concentrating on the sin that is so blatantly obvious, as you have pointed out.
Do not the wheat and tears have to grow together? Have we or you been given the specific task from God of pointing out who they are so they can be removed or ignored or shown up for the evil they persist in? Did not the sower, when it was pointed out that the enemy had planted weeds within the good crop tell the workers within the field that all should grow together, . . .'until'.
The only remit we have from God is to show the Love of Jesus to those around us, whether in the church or not. Why are the differences being highlighted if not to cause conflict?
I started my answer to your thread with this same statement "This subject is confrontational", the object of confrontation is; to gain the upper hand, prove your power over others, show someone has missed the plot, the list goes on and on.
The Holy Spirit is saying, 'Wash their feet', 'go with them and carry that heavy load at least one more mile', 'forgive them and show by your own life that there is something better, more refined, than the mere physical attraction of the human body'.
This is my stance to your thread, I do not agree with it because it is confrontational. I love you and I don't want us to miss out on the beautiful things the Lord has for you or me or anyone else by focusing on what is not right and good and Holy and peaceful, the things of the Spirit of God, not the conflict of our carnal nature.
Jesus is big enough to look after His church, He doesn't need me or you to fight His battles for Him, He already did that and won the war. We have to look after the skirmishes within our own lives and "run the race set before us", and besides me even looking at someone else to view their sin gives me a headache and this plank of wood keeps getting in the way.

 

[Jimbone]

We can't take anomalies found in nature and turn them into an excuse for immoral behavior...

Jude 1:10 KJVS
[10] But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.


2 Peter 2:12 KJVS
[12] But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

I know right? I've always found this to be the weakest argument. "because animals do it then it's natural and OK for us to"? Some animals also eat their young, force copulation on the female, and even eat their mates head after the "deed" is done. Can I use those natural examples to justify myself doing the same thing? Goodness gracious, "animals do it". Crazy.

 

[kaylagrl]

I know right? I've always found this to be the weakest argument. "because animals do it then it's natural and OK for us to"? Some animals also eat their young, force copulation on the female, and even eat their mates head after the "deed" is done. Can I use those natural examples to justify myself doing the same thing? Goodness gracious, "animals do it". Crazy.

Excellent point! WE are not animals! smh

 

[JosephsDreams]

The animal argument us beyond ludicrous. Anyone that would even mention it has read to much Darwin or is being seriously misled.
Did the provocateur of such a stance ever consider God set us apart from the animals?
Really, it is there, in the bible. We were made in His image, not of an animal.
If someone who is not Christian says that regarding the animals, well, since our perspectives are so far apart, I don't even see the sense of debating the point.
Then why stop there, why not just copy everything animals do ?
Talk about being deceived.

 

[SpiritualCleansing]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! They absolutely cannot be pro-gay marriage!

There are so many people here who accept sin and defend sinners of their whoredoms. Is this not ChristianChat?!

The bible tells us we should execute them! Not marry them!!!!

 

[Grace777x70]

Oh brother.....

 

[crossnote]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! They absolutely cannot be pro-gay marriage!

There are so many people here who accept sin and defend sinners of their whoredoms. Is this not ChristianChat?!

The bible tells us we should execute them! Not marry them!!!!

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
(Rom 2:1-5)

 

[crossnote]

The animal argument us beyond ludicrous. Anyone that would even mention it has read to much Darwin or is being seriously misled.
Did the provocateur of such a stance ever consider God set us apart from the animals?
Really, it is there, in the bible. We were made in His image, not of an animal.
If someone who is not Christian says that regarding the animals, well, since our perspectives are so far apart, I don't even see the sense of debating the point.
Then why stop there, why not just copy everything animals do ?
Talk about being deceived.

That's how it went with me. Raised in an atheistic home with a daily diet of Darwin in both home and school...ended up with a Bob Dylan philosophy..."Dogs run free, why don't we?" ♫ ♫ ♪

 

[SpiritualCleansing]

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
(Rom 2:1-5)

Last I checked I'm not homosexual nor is my spouse a man.

Back to the word of God that is applicable though, Leviticus tells us to execute homosexuals... not to marry them.

 

[ForthAngel]

Last I checked I'm not homosexual nor is my spouse a man.

Back to the word of God that is applicable though, Leviticus tells us to execute homosexuals... not to marry them.

Have a look at the book of Galatians. I think you fall under the condemnation from Paul here. You are fallen from grace.

Galatians 1
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 2
[SUP]15 [/SUP]We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; [SUP]16 [/SUP]yet we know that a person is not justified[SUP][b][/SUP] by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! [SUP]18 [/SUP]For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness[SUP][c][/SUP] were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Galatians 3
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[SUP][a][/SUP] the flesh? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Did you suffer[SUP][b][/SUP] so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— [SUP]6 [/SUP]just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify[SUP][c][/SUP] the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” [SUP]9 [/SUP]So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— [SUP]14 [/SUP]so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit[SUP][e][/SUP] through faith.

Galatians 5
5 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. [SUP]4 [/SUP]You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[SUP][a][/SUP] by the law; you have fallen away from grace. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion is not from him who calls you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leavens the whole lump. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But if I, brothers,[SUP][b][/SUP] still preach[SUP][c][/SUP] circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

 

[SpiritualCleansing]

I can love my murderous/fornicating/adulterous/homosexual/etc neighbor as they are frying in the electric chair. It's not about love, it's about justice.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." The reaction given from biblical teachings is allow the government to execute them. We are not to do it on an individual level, because God ordained government to execute His wrath.

 

[Txroads]

Again?..........

Luke 9:54-

 

[Reborn]

I can love my murderous/fornicating/adulterous/homosexual/etc neighbor as they are frying in the electric chair.

Sell that to Hallmark.

It's not about love.

Everything is about love.

It's about justice.

Vengeance is His.

 

[prodigal]

and here's another person that tried to spread hate under a christian banner,,

 

[jaybird88]

The animal argument us beyond ludicrous. Anyone that would even mention it has read to much Darwin or is being seriously misled.
Did the provocateur of such a stance ever consider God set us apart from the animals?
Really, it is there, in the bible. We were made in His image, not of an animal.
If someone who is not Christian says that regarding the animals, well, since our perspectives are so far apart, I don't even see the sense of debating the point.
Then why stop there, why not just copy everything animals do ?
Talk about being deceived.

i think you guys may be missing the point with the animals. he is saying our Lord made animals and our Lord has a natural order of things and therefore the Lord created homosexuality within this natural order.
i dont agree with it. there is a difference between homosexual and homosexual acts. the the homosexual acts they are referring to are animals going crazy when their hormones get all out of wack when a female is in heat. this is what separates us from animals. when i see a hot lady wearing something skimpy i dont run over and rape her because our Lord created us different than animals, we have control over our hormones.
hope all that makers sense.

 

[kaylagrl]

Last I checked I'm not homosexual nor is my spouse a man.

Back to the word of God that is applicable though, Leviticus tells us to execute homosexuals... not to marry them.

We are living under grace ,not in OT times. If not we'd all be under the gun. I believe homosexuality is a sin but not worthy of capital punishment. Again,we are living under grace.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, ​

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Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. ​

11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

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[Txroads]

We are living under grace ,not in OT times. If not we'd all be under the gun. I believe homosexuality is a sin but not worthy of capital punishment. Again,we are living under grace.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, ​

10

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. ​

11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

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Kayla darlin ain't nobody listenin... Maybe they'll listen ya you...... Luke 9:54--