BOAST IN GOD’S GRACE FOR YOU
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So, God is hate now ?..God is condemn?....the scriptures say that God is love....not that He has love...any wrath or justice that comes to people will be a manifestation of His love..as He is love..
...wow...are you ever going to be pleasantly surprised when you meet your Father in heaven!...you have some wonderful revelations coming to you my brother!
...wow...are you ever going to be pleasantly surprised when you meet your Father in heaven!...you have some wonderful revelations coming to you my brother!
Read our posts, crossnote. That is NOT what is happening. We ALWAYS point to Christ and His Work. Like I've typed so many times before, the Gospel of Grace is
I'm not sure how you're making the leap to us making an idol of Grace and excluding Christ from that framework . . .
-JGIG
- Who Jesus is
- What He came to do
- What that actually accomplished, and
- Who those who put their faith in Christ are in Him.
I'm not sure how you're making the leap to us making an idol of Grace and excluding Christ from that framework . . .
-JGIG
in other words, you hate these word. because jesus told you, you can judge
love quotes scripture to show, err . it dose not sound like a echo, now watch this echo, that put jesus first before grace.
Matthew 7: Judging Others
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
6 "Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
love quotes scripture to show, err . it dose not sound like a echo, now watch this echo, that put jesus first before grace.
Matthew 7: Judging Others
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
6 "Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
God loves/ God hates.
Is that new to you or is He going against His nature when He hates?
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.Ps 5:5
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.
(Psa 10:3)
you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions Ps 45:7
Is that new to you or is He going against His nature when He hates?
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.Ps 5:5
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.
(Psa 10:3)
you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions Ps 45:7
What He hates is a manifestation of His love in action. You are really going to have a wonderful experience when you meet your Lord and Father!
Do you actually think God hates people?...what does John 3:16 mean?..God so loved the world.....show me where Jesus hated people?...He certainly didn't go along with the self-righteous religious Phariseees...but show me where it says that He hated them...
Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father.
So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.
Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Do you actually think God hates people?...what does John 3:16 mean?..God so loved the world.....show me where Jesus hated people?...He certainly didn't go along with the self-righteous religious Phariseees...but show me where it says that He hated them...
Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father.
So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.
Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
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who appointed you judge. you can, ask jesus, when you see him.
For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal lifeJohn 3: You Must Be Born Again
when did the non christian jew, know righteousness, if it came through jesus.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe
For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal lifeJohn 3: You Must Be Born Again
when did the non christian jew, know righteousness, if it came through jesus.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe
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I see him as sincerely wrong. If you hear his story on how it came about (his book), he was just making a call to holy living (on FB) and got backlash from certain people. This stirred him to address "hyper-grace" as some people seemed like they were opposed to living holy and used grace as an excuse.
Sincere, but wrong. At least because of his book God's grace is being discussed and Jesus exalted.
Sincere, but wrong. At least because of his book God's grace is being discussed and Jesus exalted.
Dr. Brown is a holiness-preaching Arminian. There is a definite theological template through which he views beliefs that conflict with his own. He's also known for his propensity for warring on the culture of the world - he spends an awful lot of time pointing to people's sins.
Like you, however, I am glad that Grace is being discussed. That's a good thing!
-JGIG
If you are going to define hate as his love what can I say.?
People in asylums have trouble with distinctions of that sort.
Again...
he boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.Ps 5:5
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.
(Psa 10:3)
you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions Ps 45:7
But now that you have redefined hate out of God's attributes, I guess the discussion is closed.
People in asylums have trouble with distinctions of that sort.
Again...
he boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.Ps 5:5
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.
(Psa 10:3)
you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions Ps 45:7
But now that you have redefined hate out of God's attributes, I guess the discussion is closed.
If Jesus is the exact representation of the Father's nature...and He is......show me where Jesus hated people...show me the scripture that shows that...and that will definitely end the discussion and keep us both out of the asylum....
.it seems we have 2 different views of the love and grace of the Father and our Lord.....I never once thought that Jesus hated people....that's a new doctrine for sure...
...it seems we have 2 different views of the love and grace of the Father and our Lord.....I never once thought that Jesus hated people....that's a new doctrine for sure...
If Jesus is the exact representation of the Father's nature...and He is......show me where Jesus hated people...show me the scripture that shows that...and that will definitely end the discussion and keep us both out of the asylum....
.it seems we have 2 different views of the love and grace of the Father and our Lord.....I never once thought that Jesus hated people....that's a new doctrine for sure...
...it seems we have 2 different views of the love and grace of the Father and our Lord.....I never once thought that Jesus hated people....that's a new doctrine for sure...
I actually agree with you, God does hate. I think of it like this, if God loves life and people then God hates abortion. If God loves honesty and fairness then He hates lying and cheating. God does love, and on a level we can't even comprehend, but if He does love like that then there has to be a flip side. If He loves good then He can't also love evil. I can see why some are uncomfortable with this idea, and I would always be very careful talking about it, but it's true. If God is just then He has to punish evil, and that is why Jesus came, and the beautiful genius of His love/grace/mercy/justice on that cross. I understand why it doesn't make sense to the carnal mind, but man I love our God, from top to bottom, from left to right, we serve an AWESOME God, but He also has a perfect hate, and in that hate He is still perfect. It's not the same fickle, selfish, petty hate we are so familiar with, and we can never think of God on our level, but I do agree that God does hate.
Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father.
So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.
Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.
Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
I guess this is the new 'love'
Rev_6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev_6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: