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Oh I see. Yeah I didn't read your comment closely enough. I understand what you said now.
Emotions are not things you follow, they summarise how you are reacting to things. If you are sad you do not kill yourself, or happy get drunk and hug everyone. It is like a litmus paper to what is going on inside you, but because it is about you, who you are and what you are doing it matters.
Jesus taught us to listen to everything, to be aware of the heart, to discipline and understand thoughts and what we are.
Unfortunately you demonstrate by your language you do not understand yourself or the language of the heart.
This is what Jesus came to address and why we fail to commune with the Father. Until this works properly the Lord will always be head knowledge with a distant experience defined by dogma.
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KennethC
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There is no error my friend.......
Paul, James, and John all three show that believers can become slaves to sin again, and some even though after coming to Christ remain in their sinful ways do to being mislead !!!
The only way to stop being a slave to sin is by in Christ we walk by the Spirit, if you continue to walk by the flesh then Paul says you are still a slave to sin !!!
Believers can choose to continue to serve sin or they can choose to serve His righteousness, if they continue to serve sin Paul says that will lead to death (and he was not talking about physical death in the body here).
James says that when a believer gives into their lusts and let it get full grown to where it controls their life again it will lead them to death (Again not physical death in the body here).
paul a apostle. to the gentiles. what other apostle said the same.
ware. they can be trapped by the law you mean. ..............................................................apart from law.
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
through faith. not sin or law or repentance. etc believing in jesus christ. (for all) unmerited faviour.
5 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
you would, you need a law, for former sin. to be passed over. given the above quote, he saved you nd me. etc out side of law.
apart from the law, would ask, is there a split, or now your saviour is in charge of your walk, etc
Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace
are already justified, apart from the law.
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
Buddhism desires to empty the soul of all distraction, to bring tranquility by unity with the essence of everything.
This is not what Jesus is bringing in the gospel. He is bringing life into peoples hearts, so rather than running away from themselves they are finding themselves. How do people overcome sin, unless they are cleansed within, their thought life is brought under control, the realities of how they approach issues in life are brought into focus, and the issues resolved.
This is so alien to you as a concept, you feel it is a different faith. I think this testifies to how little people have understood what walking in the Spirit is and the fruits of the spirit at work in ones soul. We are made into a new creation, something different, not just the old man papered over with a few miracles and healings thrown in for good measure.
What?
I'm not sure what to think.
Maybe if you explained what you are talking about...
Well we read it, and learn its lessons and learn more about God who is immutable. It's one of the standard questions that shows a misunderstanding of what scripture is saying. Anyhow, kinda tired here tonight. Heres a very short read that will clear that up for you. Just click here
God didn't change His mind. God didn't want to destroy Nineveh. He was exceptionally Graceful and Merciful, as is His Nature.
That's why He sent Jonah. That's why He MADE Jonah preach against that city.
So He could show His Mercy.
Jonah 4:2 And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.
Does anyone really think that God has the power to force Jonah to preach against Nineveh, the power to keep him alive in a fish for 3 days, but doesn't have the power to know before hand that Nineveh will repent?
Jonah knew, and he's not God.
God said, "Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." That is not a gospel message right? Their wickedness had come up before God(they were against Israel, God was protecting the seed, that's what He did in the OT).
Verse 10 reads, 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. God said, then changed His mind.
Jonah didn't want to go because he knew there would be a chance that Nineveh would believe God's message, repent, and then in turn God would repent from destroying them. He didn't want to take that chance. His hatred was that strong because they were enemies of Israel. God's nature of mercy and grace never change, but God can and has changed his direction based upon man's reaction to His word.
The passages that deal with God not repenting, have to do with the long term plans for Israel. Look it up. He will not change His mind concerning the nation of Israel in the end.
Verse 10 reads, 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. God said, then changed His mind.
Jonah didn't want to go because he knew there would be a chance that Nineveh would believe God's message, repent, and then in turn God would repent from destroying them. He didn't want to take that chance. His hatred was that strong because they were enemies of Israel. God's nature of mercy and grace never change, but God can and has changed his direction based upon man's reaction to His word.
The passages that deal with God not repenting, have to do with the long term plans for Israel. Look it up. He will not change His mind concerning the nation of Israel in the end.
All I need to know about that site is, they love to correct the Bible to fit their beliefs. When the Bible doesn't say what they believe, go to the Greek and change it.
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sparkman
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This is a great summary of Reformed Theology (monergism or "Calvinism"). It is a 3 video playlist.
It describes the real issues behind this discussion. Many who express the opposite view here are in reality very much like Pelagians, and not true Arminians. This video will help to understand the differences between Pelagians, Arminians and Calvinists.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKnzCuBYVJm7hQpMDIjihZgMYIECh4jz9
It describes the real issues behind this discussion. Many who express the opposite view here are in reality very much like Pelagians, and not true Arminians. This video will help to understand the differences between Pelagians, Arminians and Calvinists.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKnzCuBYVJm7hQpMDIjihZgMYIECh4jz9
John Calvin believed in infant baptism for the regeneration of the soul. Look it up. If that's true, the Bible says John Calvin is accursed from Christ and we should have nothing to do with him.
Are all children of the elect, elect also?
Was Christ elect? For what?
Has God ever changed His mind?
Are all children of the elect, elect also?
Was Christ elect? For what?
Has God ever changed His mind?
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sparkman
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Do you seriously think that God didn't know that Nineveh would repent..that he doesn't have exhaustive foreknowledge?
Read Isaiah 46:10.
You are attempting to interpret anthropomorphisms as the reality of God's nature. This is a typical open theist tactic. Same swill that Gordon Olsen, Harry Conn, Winkey Pratney and the rest of the heretical Moral Government Theology guys do.
Even Jonah knew that God would forgive Nineveh lol. Read Jonah 4:1-2.
Are you an open theist or something?
Here's a good document to study in relation to those who deny that God has exhaustive foreknowledge. This is a hyper Arminian view called Moral Government Theology and it is heretical. It is closely associated with open theism.
http://www.alangomes.com/Publications/YWAM.pdf
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sparkman
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Here's another good article regarding this Moral Government Theology heresy which is popular amongst some today:
The False God and Gospel of Moral Government Theology - Christian Research Institute
Notice that the attempt of these sorts of people (Calvinist haters) is to reduce God to the level of a man in terms of his omniscience and omnipotence. The theology of those who hate Calvinism invariably seeks to reduce God to the level of a man..it is a very anthropomorphic (man-centered) view of salvation versus a theocentric (God-centered) view of salvation. Man's will trumps God's will in their twisted theology.
In the Moral Government Theology view, God could even change his mind about man's salvation and just wipe mankind off the face of the earth. They may contest that view, but if God has the power of contrary choice, he can act out of accordance with his nature and decide to do that..in fact in their view, God could even become the equivalent of Satan.
Power of contrary choice means that mankind, and God, can make decisions that are contrary to their nature. It is essentially a Pelagian view, which was long declared a heresy by the Church.
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sparkman
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Prayer of the Synergist by Charles Haddon Spurgeon
...Any one who believes that man's will is entirely free, and that he can be saved by it, does not believe the fall...
But I tell you what will be the best proof of that; it is the great fact that you never did meet a Christian in your life who ever said he came to Christ without Christ coming to him. You have heard a great many Arminian sermons, I dare say; but you never heard an Arminian prayer - for the saints in prayer appear as one in word, and deed and mind. An Arminian on his knees would pray desperately like a Calvinist. He cannot pray about free-will: there is no room for it. Fancy him praying,
"Lord, I thank thee I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have, they might all have been saved. Lord, I know thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves. Thou givest grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do. There are many that will go to hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Ghost given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not thy grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal, still I turned the point; I made use of what was given me, and others did not-that is the difference between me and them."
That is a prayer for the devil, for nobody else would offer such a prayer as that. Ah! when they are preaching and talking very slowly, there may be wrong doctrine; but when they come to pray, the true thing slips out; they cannot help it. If a man talks very slowly, he may speak in a fine manner; but when he comes to talk fast, the old brogue of his country, where he was born, slips out. I ask you again, did you ever meet a Christian man who said, "I came to Christ without the power of the Spirit?" If you ever did meet such a man, you need have no hesitation in saying, "My dear sir, I quite believe it-and I believe you went away again without the power of the Spirit, and that you know nothing about the matter, and are in the gall of bitterness and the bond of iniquity." Do I hear one Christian man saying, "I sought Jesus before he sought me; I went to the Spirit, and the Spirit did not come to me"? No, beloved; we are obliged, each one of us, to put our hands to our hearts and say-
From Spurgeon's Sermon, Free Will - A Slave
Notice the focus is on ME ME ME ME ME.
That is the essential difference between monergists (Calvinist/Reformed) and synergists (Arminian/Pelagian/Moral Government Theology).
In their theology they think that they have something to boast about
And ask yourself this..if you don't believe God is sovereign in salvation, why do you pray for him to lead others to salvation? That would be a violation of their free will.
...Any one who believes that man's will is entirely free, and that he can be saved by it, does not believe the fall...
But I tell you what will be the best proof of that; it is the great fact that you never did meet a Christian in your life who ever said he came to Christ without Christ coming to him. You have heard a great many Arminian sermons, I dare say; but you never heard an Arminian prayer - for the saints in prayer appear as one in word, and deed and mind. An Arminian on his knees would pray desperately like a Calvinist. He cannot pray about free-will: there is no room for it. Fancy him praying,
"Lord, I thank thee I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have, they might all have been saved. Lord, I know thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves. Thou givest grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do. There are many that will go to hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Ghost given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not thy grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal, still I turned the point; I made use of what was given me, and others did not-that is the difference between me and them."
That is a prayer for the devil, for nobody else would offer such a prayer as that. Ah! when they are preaching and talking very slowly, there may be wrong doctrine; but when they come to pray, the true thing slips out; they cannot help it. If a man talks very slowly, he may speak in a fine manner; but when he comes to talk fast, the old brogue of his country, where he was born, slips out. I ask you again, did you ever meet a Christian man who said, "I came to Christ without the power of the Spirit?" If you ever did meet such a man, you need have no hesitation in saying, "My dear sir, I quite believe it-and I believe you went away again without the power of the Spirit, and that you know nothing about the matter, and are in the gall of bitterness and the bond of iniquity." Do I hear one Christian man saying, "I sought Jesus before he sought me; I went to the Spirit, and the Spirit did not come to me"? No, beloved; we are obliged, each one of us, to put our hands to our hearts and say-
"Grace taught my soul to pray,
And made my eyes to o'erflow;
'Twas grace that kept me to this day,
And will not let me go."
And made my eyes to o'erflow;
'Twas grace that kept me to this day,
And will not let me go."
From Spurgeon's Sermon, Free Will - A Slave
Notice the focus is on ME ME ME ME ME.
That is the essential difference between monergists (Calvinist/Reformed) and synergists (Arminian/Pelagian/Moral Government Theology).
In their theology they think that they have something to boast about
And ask yourself this..if you don't believe God is sovereign in salvation, why do you pray for him to lead others to salvation? That would be a violation of their free will.
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LOL so you don't think God knew that they would repent.? What a God! Ignorant of a basic fact. and this the God Who knows the end from the beginning? Hmm. You are pathetic
Call me what you want, I've never heard of those people. I read the Bible. I believe the Bible. I don't add to or take away from it. God said in forty days Nineveh shall be overthrown. Nineveh repented, so God changed His mind and didn't destroy them. Why is that hard to believe? Jonah knew there was a chance that Nineveh would believe the message and in turn repent of their wickedness, and then God would change His mind. So you know what Jonah did, he goes the other way. Why is that hard to believe? Because that goes against Calvinism? Stand with the Bible not a false teacher.
Isaiah 46:10 is dealing with Israel and God's long term plan for them. Verse 13 says, "...and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory." God has declared that from the beginning and He's not changing His course concerning Israel.
Can God, who can do all things, choose to limit His knowledge in certain matters? Or can God not do this?
Isaiah 46:10 is dealing with Israel and God's long term plan for them. Verse 13 says, "...and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory." God has declared that from the beginning and He's not changing His course concerning Israel.
Can God, who can do all things, choose to limit His knowledge in certain matters? Or can God not do this?
Do you seriously think that God didn't know that Nineveh would repent..that he doesn't have exhaustive foreknowledge?
Read Isaiah 46:10.
You are attempting to interpret anthropomorphisms as the reality of God's nature. This is a typical open theist tactic. Same swill that Gordon Olsen, Harry Conn, Winkey Pratney and the rest of the heretical Moral Government Theology guys do.
Even Jonah knew that God would forgive Nineveh lol. Read Jonah 4:1-2.
Are you an open theist or something?
Here's a good document to study in relation to those who deny that God has exhaustive foreknowledge. This is a hyper Arminian view called Moral Government Theology and it is heretical. It is closely associated with open theism.
http://www.alangomes.com/Publications/YWAM.pdf