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It's too bad Churches can't be comprised of people from all walks and not special interest groups.

Ok, ok this dates me but...

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Lost_sheep said:
My biggest complaint with churches I have visited thus far and the messages I have received while there are that the whole activity seems to be more about getting people in the pews than it does to actually share the Gospel with them.

Now, I know I'm a weird guy so what works for me probably wouldn't work for someone else but:

If a fire-and-brimstone preacher was to shake an old finger at me and tell me I was wallowing in sin and needed to immediately repent and beg Jesus for his saving grace...that would go a lot farther with me than a flabby handshake and a chocolate chip cookie and tepid coffee.
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My experience is exactly the opposite. They would see me come to church and then preach the gospel to me every weekend and not go into the world and preach the gospel.

In my lifetime, the number of people who witnessed to me can probably be counted on two hands and I've gone many years without someone telling me the gospel.
 
Depleted said:
Just curious. Has anyone noticed everyone is all for "sound doctrine," and yet everyone believes they're the only one whose doctrine is sound?
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No. I believe that everyone has heresies.
I believe in organizing and systematizing scripture to where it becomes systematic theology.
I believe in getting my theology straight and there are some Bible studies that I have done that were only possible from prior Bible studies.
I have problems with some of the incommunicable attributes of God.
 
Chuckt said:
No. I believe that everyone has heresies.
I believe in organizing and systematizing scripture to where it becomes systematic theology.
I believe in getting my theology straight and there are some Bible studies that I have done that were only possible from prior Bible studies.
I have problems with some of the incommunicable attributes of God.
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Like omniscience, omnipresent and omnipotent? Ahh, let God be God.
 
ladylynn said:
God's love is not based on our performance.
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This idea sounds good, because Christ is worthy and we are sinners, but there is a flaw here, a fundamental, 100% floor.

If God could not turn us into His people, holy, pure, righteous, filled with His love and truth, from the heart, there would be no point to God showing His love and heart to us. If there was no response, we would be worthless, only fit to be burnt up.

So our performance or response 100% matters. Not in the way we measure it, but in the way the Lord measures it.
If you are stuck down a well with no way out, ofcourse you are lost forever. When a rope appears to enable you to climb out, you still have to climb, it takes effort. Did you save yourself alone? No. It was a team effort where the provision of being saved had to be provided, but you had to put in the effort. There is not one parable where the believer does not have to respond or do something as a result of provision.

There is no stretched limousine that appears and all you have to do is get in and enjoy the champagne. But the health, wealth gospel differs, and this is their picture.

The difference between doing things because of rules and doing things because you love from the heart is night and day.

I know many do not know Jesus like this, and think doing things from the heart is romantic nonsense. But to those with ears to hear, this is what Jesus is saying, speak from your heart.

Jesus replied: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
Matt 22:37

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Matt 6:21

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Matt 5:8

This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.
Matt 18:35

Jesus is about the heart, who you are in totality. Anyone who has missed this has missed Jesus.
 
KJV1611 said:
No I don't waste my time with KJV errors, there are none, that's another subject. I want to know whether the Greek says "faith in Christ" or "faith of Christ"?
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And I told you the original Greek does not have "in" or "of" in it, it simply says "faith Christ" !!!
 
ForthAngel said:
John 6
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. [SUP]36 [/SUP]But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. [SUP]37[/SUP]All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Can Jesus lose those given to him? He doesn't seem to think so.

John 10
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, [SUP]26 [/SUP]but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. [SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. [SUP]28 [/SUP]I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. [SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, who has given them to me,[SUP][a][/SUP] is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. [SUP]30 [/SUP]I and the Father are one.”

Are you able to remove yourself from the hand of Jesus and the hand of God the Father?

Titus 3
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, [SUP]5 [/SUP]he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]6 [/SUP]whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, [SUP]7 [/SUP]so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Is his gift and the work of the Holy Spirit in the regenerate man in vain?

God's mercy is greater than our inability to be righteous.
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You can post those verses all day long, but without taking and placing them side by side with other verses the wrong understanding will always be taken which is what Calvin did.

The problem is that he did not use scripture to interpret scripture, and he did the same thing that Calvinists do to this day and that is the overlook the understanding of what the words should, may, and might do to a verse !!!

There is multiple passages from Jesus, Paul, and James that speak on the falling away/departing from the faith !!!

Then you go and use a verse talking about works don't save in Titus 3, nobody is saying they do !!!

Here is a quote made by Calvin:

"If falling away were possible they were never part of the faith to begin with."

That completely denies what is said in the Word of God from Jesus in the Sower and Seed, Lost Sheep, Matthew 24, and multiple verses from Paul, and James in James 5 !!!
 
JesusIsAll said:
You know how you can tell somebody's bamboozling you? Christianity is all about faith and trust in the Lord, increasing faith and trust, the greatest faith all about the Lord Jesus, knowing the Lord with "epignosis" knowledge and assurance of His truth and faith in His promises, that He is the God that saves the born again. Period.

Whenever there's anybody dragging around dark clouds, with a theology of doubt, of fear, "The Lord said that, BUT..." (who does that sound like?), very simply this is the opposite of faith. And it's the work of the devil. That's the end of the matter, if you were to create 500 more threads of self-righteousness, works, legalisms and DOUBT. Always doubt, the dark river that runs through it, the specialty of the tare, trying to set the focus on me, rather than Thee.
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Yeah exactly

Jesus did not say ' I have come so that you might have doubt and have it to the full

You never grow...You are constantly worrying about whether or not you are still saved

These folks who constantly want to remind us of everyones sin do the devils work for him

And now for some response from the typical
folk who constantly want to nail Jesus back on the cross

I think I just need to say what Jesus said

Get behind me satan.
 
ember said:
Yeah exactly

Jesus did not say ' I have come so that you might have doubt and have it to the full

You never grow...You are constantly worrying about whether or not you are still saved

These folks who constantly want to remind us of everyones sin do the devils work for him

And now for some response from the typical
folk who constantly want to nail Jesus back on the cross

I think I just need to say what Jesus said

Get behind me satan.
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When teaching on the warnings to believers from the Word of God is not preaching a doctrine of doubt !!!

If what one person says or puts forward from the Word of God to another, and that other person starts doubting, then there was nothing wrong with the message. That means something obviously made the person examine themselves in what they are doing.

Also I think people are confusing doubt with conviction !!!

I did prison ministry and in doing so I would send those people back to their cells with scriptures to read, no personal commentary, just book, chapter, and verse numbers.

When I would see them next I got the same reply a number of times, "why did you do that to me, that was harsh."

I told them I did nothing, if they felt convicted by reading those verses then it was the Holy Spirit telling them what they were doing was not right !!!

Apostle Paul did not sit by and do nothing when he saw brothers and sisters in Christ walking and acting inappropriately in the faith. No, he constantly warned them if they continued to walk in such a manner what that would lead to !!!

Then he followed it up with telling and showing them the proper way in which believers are to act !!!

In todays world that rebuking and reproving is frowned upon, and people who carry out this position of the Church are called judgmental, legalists, or false teachers.

The problem is they forget Paul says we can judge those inside the Church (1 Corinthians 5), it is those outside of the Church we are not to judge !!!

Those who put Jesus still on the cross are the one's who continue to live sinful lives or still by their old nature, they are crucifying Him every day which is blasphemy and thus why the Word of God says they are trampling Him underfoot !!!

Our Lord Jesus is a risen Lord and we are to walk accordingly as such to in a new nature full of the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Those fruit will in no way lead a person to sin, when we do sin it is because we got drawn away from the Truth !!!
 
Rebuking sin is seen as Satan

It is an odd idea, that talking about righteousness and love means ignoring sin.

If anybody says confronting sin in someones life is evil, they have just approved of evil behaviour.

If a murderer or rapest is among you, do you say "God bless you brother, just carry on doing what you are doing"

No you say, repent and make restitution for the harm you have done. But now people who call themselves christian say this is the work of the enemy. This is how far some have got from what it means to love people and just understand what sin is and why we have to deal with it. This is pure deception and not the gospel.
 
PeterJens said:
Rebuking sin is seen as Satan

It is an odd idea, that talking about righteousness and love means ignoring sin.

If anybody says confronting sin in someones life is evil, they have just approved of evil behaviour.

If a murderer or rapest is among you, do you say "God bless you brother, just carry on doing what you are doing"

No you say, repent and make restitution for the harm you have done. But now people who call themselves christian say this is the work of the enemy. This is how far some have got from what it means to love people and just understand what sin is and why we have to deal with it. This is pure deception and not the gospel.
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The works of darkness does not like to be exposed, which is why some of these new day/new age doctrines make rebuking and reproving out to be wrong to be done. Because the rebuking and reproving will expose the wrongs that they are doing, and they would no longer be able to draw people in with their deception !!!

We are called to expose the works of darkness in Ephesians 5:11, and thus are hated by the world for doing such !!!
 
And the usual suspects show up and get their panties in a knot over their own bias which does not allow them to see what I actually posted. .......so.........

wild ramblings ensue about how God's word has been insulted and how dare you believe the grace of God is all sufficient and you can't sin or you loose your salvation and yadda yadda yadda blabidy gobbledegook

And then we have pschology today only without an actual psychologist, replete with mind numbing repetitious personal observations that would make most normal people run screaming from the room

and Jesus said to Peter 'get behind me satan'

fix your eyes on Jesus Christ

HE is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of your faith...not these two thread jockeys
 
ember said:
And the usual suspects show up and get their panties in a knot over their own bias which does not allow them to see what I actually posted. .......so.........

wild ramblings ensue about how God's word has been insulted and how dare you believe the grace of God is all sufficient and you can't sin or you loose your salvation and yadda yadda yadda blabidy gobbledegook

And then we have pschology today only without an actual psychologist, replete with mind numbing repetitious personal observations that would make most normal people run screaming from the room

and Jesus said to Peter 'get behind me satan'

fix your eyes on Jesus Christ

HE is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of your faith...not these two thread jockeys
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The only one that shows that they don't read what others post, and then just ramble away is you !!!

You are the one that mentioned teaching a doctrine of doubt.

None of us that you place that false accusation on doubt our salvation in Christ !!!

You assume we do just because we preach on the many warnings about sin given in the Word of God to believers by the Holy Spirit through Paul, John, and James !!!

Each one of those 3 showed we can have assurance of our salvation in Christ by our actions, and John was the clearest of the 3 as 1 John 2-4 he clearly breaks it down and says if you act like this (giving the behavior/action) the Truth/eternal life is not in us !!!

These new day false doctrines try to separate everything instead of give everything its do credit in the salvation in Christ !!!

Thus making them not matter if done or not !!!
 
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