Healing: A Question to Ponder

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Grace777x70

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WOW...someone actually told you that you had a demon for sure just because of a seizure?..wow..that is not right.

Altho there is scripture that Jesus said a sickness was caused by satan....but I don't believe that all sickness is necessarily a demon...

I find it interesting how the "religious people" of Jesus day were against Him doing healings that were doing good to people..

Luke 13:10-16 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And there was a woman who for eighteen years had a sickness caused by a spirit; and she was bent double, and could not straighten up at all.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] When Jesus saw her, He called her over and said to her, "Woman, you are freed from your sickness."
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And He laid His hands on her; and immediately she was made erect again and began glorifying God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, "There are six days in which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day."
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the Lord answered him and said, "You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him?
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is,whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?"

blue_ladybug said:
Some people here are of the belief that you have to have faith, or even just a certain amount, to be healed. I simply don't believe that. I think anyone, whether they have faith or not, can be healed if they just BELIEVE they can be. Some here have had the audacity to tell me that I'm not healed because of my level of faith. Some have even had the nerve to tell me that my epilepsy isn't real, but that I'm possessed by demons!! :mad: I mean, c'mon now, really? lol... I have a spirit but it ain't possessed by demons, and neither are my (or anyone else's) health problems. ;) Having an epileptic fit, and throwing a demonic tantrum are two entirely different things..
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BenFTW

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​I'm pretty sure God is willing to heal ANYONE. I don't think he picks and chooses, "okay you're healed, she's healed, but nope sorry he isn't healed". He would be selective in his healing if he did that, and God doesn't play favorites. :)
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Thats exactly the point. He accomplished this through Christ's flesh. VVe have healing, through Jesus Christ. Now, if He is willing then it is no longer a matter of "can" God heal me, but when. This is where expectation, faith and belief come in. No longer do you believe God can heal you, but that He will and has, through Christ. You now would be believing in faith, and not just being in hope.
 
phil36

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BenFTW said:
As I said, not trying to put forth new age concepts but its like Christ died on the cross for your sins, right? In order for you to obtain (/actualize) that forgiveness it required faith. In the same way healing takes faith (depending upon circumstances).
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Hi Ben,

This just goes to prove that you have an over realised theology. Is your salvation complete? are you glorified yet?
 
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Keep in mind, that not all healing is associated with the faith of the sick person. There are exceptions, such as a dead man rising (he had no faith, he's dead), a person praying for another person in faith (its the faith of the one praying, not the sick), and sometimes God in His mercy just steps in irregardless of faith but acts in His compassion.
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In the case of Lazarus, it was done primarily for God's glory and to demonstrate His power, even over DEATH! Praise him name!

It may have involved Lazarus sisters' faith, but I think more so it was just Jesus' love for them. To restore their brother to them. As you say.

They complained to Jesus that if only he had come a few days earlier then this would not have happened. They obviously had 'healing faith' but apparently not 'resurrection faith'. (WHO did at that point!?) Still, it was because of the plans and purposes of the Lord that events unfolded the way they did. Jesus intentionally waited to go there until Lazarus was in the grave.
 
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​Grace777, yup, a few dingbats here have told me I'm demon possessed. I was like, dude, seriously you need to educate yourself on the difference between epilepsy and demon possession. :rolleyes: lol.. Of course, I think they may have been smokin' something when they said that to me.. ;)
 
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Click on the name of the person you wanna pm.. Click on "private message". Make pm and send it.. easy peasy.. :)
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Thanks. Still new to [participating in] forums.
 
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You know what? Many many times I have literally BEGGED and pleaded with God to heal me. I have cried out loud, "in the name of Jesus Christ, heal me". Guess what? I'm still not healed and despite what some believe, God does NOT instantly heal people. If he did, I would've been healed at age 5 of my epilepsy. I would've been healed at age 40, when my back really started to incapacitate me. But nooo.. I still have epilepsy and I still have a bad back, bad bones all around. :/ Being healed has NOTHING to do with how much faith or belief a person has. That's a total crock, so don't try to convince me it's true..

Like Lynn said, if I were meant to be healed, I would have been a long time ago. Only God knows the reason why he doesn't heal ALL people. So what am I supposed to do? Throw a tantrum and demand God to heal me? Been there, done that, didn't work. :/ Sooo, I do the only thing I CAN do: persevere through all the pain, and look forward to my eternal pain-free body. :) I would give ANYTHING to go just one day without any back twinges, creaks, cracks, moans and groans of stupid bad bones.. To go just one day without ANY seizures. One day soon I will, but until then I have to live in this wretched body because that is what God wants me to do.
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This kind comes out only through fasting and prayer.
 
Grace777x70

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It seems we are glorified now as can be seen in green in the scripture below is in the aorist tense ( past tense ). we will get our full glorification manifested when we get our new bodies....but for now the outer man is decaying away...

Romans 8:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
 
Grace777x70

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..that seems "normal"...:rolleyes:

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blue_ladybug said:
​Grace777, yup, a few dingbats here have told me I'm demon possessed. I was like, dude, seriously you need to educate yourself on the difference between epilepsy and demon possession. :rolleyes: lol.. Of course, I think they may have been smokin' something when they said that to me.. ;)
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seed_time_harvest said:
This kind comes out only through fasting and prayer.
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That was rather blunt. lol Keep in mind Blue, I believe he is referencing doubt/disbelief, not demons. Take deep breaths before responding. haha

PS: And go see an exorcist just in case. lol jk :p
 
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Grace777x70 said:
It seems we are glorified now as can be seen in green in the scripture below is in the aorist tense ( past tense ). we will get our full glorification manifested when we get our new bodies....but for now the outer man is decaying away...

Romans 8:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
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So are you glorified ?
 
blue_ladybug

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BenFTW said:
That was rather blunt. lol Keep in mind Blue, I believe he is referencing doubt/disbelief, not demons. Take deep breaths before responding. haha

PS: And go see an exorcist just in case. lol jk :p
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​That's the thing. I DON'T doubt that God can heal me, nor do I disbelieve it. I KNOW he can. :) lol, some here need an exorcist, but not me, I'm demon free..lol ;)
 
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blue_ladybug said:
​That's the thing. I DON'T doubt that God can heal me, nor do I disbelieve it. I KNOW he can. :) lol, some here need an exorcist, but not me, I'm demon free..lol ;)
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Remember, that is the distinction this thread is bringing up. That He can is good to know, but more importantly will you stand in faith that He will, or even has through Christ? :)
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
This kind comes out only through fasting and prayer.
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​seed time, I don't know if you're referencing doubt, disbelief, or demons with this comment, but I can assure you with absolute certainty, that I do NOT have demons in me, nor do I doubt or disbelieve that God can heal me, or anyone for that matter. So if you're going to say demons, keep it to yourself. Thanks.. ;)


 
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Grace777x70 said:
WOW...someone actually told you that you had a demon for sure just because of a seizure?..wow..that is not right.

Altho there is scripture that Jesus said a sickness was caused by satan....but I don't believe that all sickness is necessarily a demon...

I find it interesting how the "religious people" of Jesus day were against Him doing healings that were doing good to people..

Luke 13:10-16 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And there was a woman who for eighteen years had a sickness caused by a spirit; and she was bent double, and could not straighten up at all.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] When Jesus saw her, He called her over and said to her, "Woman, you are freed from your sickness."
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And He laid His hands on her; and immediately she was made erect again and began glorifying God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, "There are six days in which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day."
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the Lord answered him and said, "You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him?
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is,whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?"
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I understand what Ladybug said. Over the years, many Christians have told me that I'm demon possessed because I have Epilepsy along with depression. They have told me to stop taking taking medication and pray for God to cast out my demons.
 
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BenFTW said:
Remember, that is the distinction this thread is bringing up. That He can is good to know, but more importantly will you stand in faith that He will, or even has through Christ? :)
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​I don't need to stand in faith that he will. I'm already there.. :)
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Some people here are of the belief that you have to have faith, or even just a certain amount, to be healed. I simply don't believe that. I think anyone, whether they have faith or not, can be healed if they just BELIEVE they can be.
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I am confused here about the distinction between "belief" and "faith"??


One of the things I recall from the WoF thing, particularly the Copelands, is that they talk like they have "faith in their faith". This is where I think a lot of stuff gets off track? They seem to personify faith into its own living entity.

Whats important is the OBJECT of one's faith.

For example...
Can God heal me? Yes.
Am I healed? No.
Is it God's will to heal me? Apparently not.

Is it because of my lack of faith? Or is my faith misplaced? Just how much faith do I need, if my faith is in Christ?!

I have enough faith that if I seek God for a healing and it does not occur, then God has something else in mind.

At least at this point and time.

Maybe I first need to believe that God can 'heal' my faith???

And for whoever came at you in those vicious ways, please let me apologize for them.
 
blue_ladybug

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I don't believe that ANY sickness is caused by God, OR by satan. Sickness exists because we live in an extremely evil, fallen world. Can satan have influence on diseases? I believe so, yes, BUT only GOD can cure them entirely.. :)
 
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