When did 'Christians' adopt Sunday as their weekly Sabbath?

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Jeffry

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the ten commandments were an intrinsic part of the covenant with Israel. They are the very basis of the covenant. They were not 'a spiritual law' . Your idea is a modern invention. The original covenant as given is Exodus 20.1-17. The remainder are additional covenants, explaining the detail behind the original covenant,

But the basic laws in the ten commandments, laws 6-9 were based on past laws which remain binding on us all. They were in existence LONG BEFORE the ten commands which came comparatively late. They were observed long before the ten commands. Do you really think that the world had no law before Moses? Read Genesis 26.5. Abraham had a host of God's commands, statute and laws.
Dear Valiant-- Please allow me to clarify. When I call the Ten Commandments (all 10) a "spiritual law", I am referring to the fact that they require mental agreement, such as in God's Sabbath Commandment: "I am the LORD your God; follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God." (Ezek. 20:19-20) jg
 
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Jeffry

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Germany’s Quiet Sundays’

For Germans, whether religious or otherwise, Sunday is a sacred day of rest.
That’s what the Wall Street Journal said in its Life & Style section on March 23.

“Germany holds to much the same Monday-to-Friday workweek rhythm as the rest
of the world, but on Sundays it skips a beat,” wrote Frankfurt-based assistant news
editor Sarah Sloat in her article
From the WSJ Expat Blog: Germany’s Quiet Sundays - WSJ

She continues:

This uber-efficient country, which puts more restrictions on Sunday activities
than nearly all of its neighbors, nearly shuts down. …

Opening Sundays to shopping is fiercely resisted .… Efforts by retailers and businesses
to loosen the rules have also been unsuccessful. But a blanket prohibition was lifted in 2006,
when states were allowed to designate a certain number of Sundays as open for shopping.
In Hesse, where Frankfurt is located, four are permitted each year.

So normal labor and commerce are tightly restricted on Sundays. But what if residents
want to spend their Sunday doing yard work around their homes? Sloat answers this:

Laws regulating shopping hours and noise levels mean stores shut, lawnmowers fall silent,
and woe unto him who flips the switch on an electric tool. … Sonntagsruhe is one term
they use. It simply means “Sunday rest.”

Anyone considering undertaking outdoor chores or home improvements will be in
for a surprise. Regulations limit noise levels, forbidding the use of electric tools
like drills and leaf blowers, as well as hammering, sawing and loud music.

At recycling containers, it’s even prohibited to throw away glass jars and bottles
on Sunday because of the noise. Heavy trucks are banned from German roads on Sunday
… to relieve streets and cities of noise and traffic, and to give drivers a break.

The wsj article makes only a passing and vague mention of the influence of “churches”
on Germany’s reverence for Sundays. But there is one specific church which lies at
the very heart of why Germany “skips a beat” on Sundays: Roman Catholicism.

the Brussels-based European Sunday Alliance, a network of dozens of religious
and nonreligious organizations from 27 European nations whose purpose,
according to its website, is to “raise awareness of the unique value of synchronized
free time for our European societies.”

At the helm of these crusaders for Sunday rest is the Roman Catholic Church.

On March 3, the European Sunday Alliance met in Brussels with politicians from
all around the European Union for a “Call for Action” about banning Sunday work.
European Sunday Alliance - Time-conference to take place in Berlin

The press release for the meeting says:

Stop Sunday Work Now! … Europe is not only an economic but also a social and
cultural community. … The “economization” of Sundays and public holidays
deepens social divisions at the expense of workers and their families.

The common weekly day of rest is a clear and visible sign for the reconciliation
of personal, family and professional life. … We need a Europe-wide Sunday protection.
[T]he European Sunday Alliance draws attention to Sunday as the common weekly day
of rest which enables EU citizens to live their citizenship together.

Why does this Sunday alliance exist and work so arduously to influence Europe’s
labor laws? Why is the Catholic Church so adamant about instituting a Continent-wide
day of rest? And why must it be Sunday instead of another day of the week?

In large part, it is because it was the Catholic Church—in intentional violation
of biblical teachings—that appointed Sunday as a day of rest and worship.

Valuable info, prove-all. Incorporated as part of the Empire's civil law in AD 327, the Roman Church ruled Europe religiously, economically and politically until the defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte's France (its last military ally at the time) in 1815. Through all those centuries, and in all those countries, Sabbath-keeping was absolutely prohibited by Roman civil law. It could be (and typically was) punished by banishment from one's homeland, and/or confiscation of all one's personal property, and/or public physical torture, which quite often led to death. Little wonder that nearly everyone kept Sunday! Without question!

This same power, still in Rome but now independent as "The Vatican", has already taken the political steps necessary to become, once again, the "state religion" of the EU/final Roman Empire (the "Papal travels" began w/John XXIII before the general public was even aware of plans for a "European Union").

The "beast" John saw in a vision (Rev. 17:3) (NIV) is indeed the EU. The "mark of the beast" is Sunday worship. The "prostitute woman" on the beast (see Rev. 17:1-6) is the RCC. (In Bible prophecy, a church is always pictured as a woman). This one is the "mother of prostitutes" (vs.5) which are, of course, her protestant "daughters". But they don't protest their mother's Sundays. Mother is too powerful. jg
 
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The above quotes are unreliable. No one knows the day on which the world was created. It is simply guesswork and men supporting their own position,

the sabbath was unknown before Exod 16 GO TO SCRIPTURE NOT SURMISE
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Those quotes are "unreliable", Valiant? You'd probably argue arithmetic with Stephen Hawking!


With all due respect (I'd still buy ya a beer), it's your own statement here that's "unreliable". You couldn't find anything about God's weekly Sabbath day until Exod.16??? How about "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done" (Gen. 2:2-3) (NIV).
 
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I found the following and put them in quotes for a chatroom format because you have to cut up what you post to fit in a limit as if you were posting a line or two. The following quotes are from Dr. Norman Geisler in one of his books but I can't remember which. It might be from one of his skeptic books.

Sabbatarianism
”The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27).
The point which Jesus made is that the Sabbath was not instituted to enslave people, but to benefit them.
according to Colossians 2:17, the Sabbath was “a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”
The Sabbath observance was associated with redemption in Deuteronomy 5:15
The spirit of Sabbath observance is continued in the NT observance of rest and worship on the first day of the week.
New Testament believers are not under the OT Law (Rom. 6:14; Gal. 3:24-25).
the early church was given the pattern of Sunday worship by His resurrection on the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1)
His continued appearances on succeeding Sundays (John 20:26), and the descent of the Holy Spirit on Sunday (Acts 2:1)
the early church was given the pattern of Sunday worship. This they did regularly (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2).
Sunday worship was further hallowed by our Lord who appeared to John in that last great vision on “the Lord’s Day” (Rev. 1:10).


It is for these reasons that Christians worship on Sunday, rather than on the Jewish Sabbath.


"Let no man therefore judge you, in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"-Colossians 2:16


"..no man is justified by the LAW in the sight of God.."-Galatians 3:11
"..the law was our schoolmaster.." (Gal 3:24) and "..we are no longer under a schoolmaster.." Gal 3:25
God blotted out the ordinances and nailed it to Jesus' cross (Colossians 2:14) see Heb. 7:12

All quotes by Dr. Norman Geisler but some of the verses I added at the end are just verses and might be verses I collected.
 
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Jeffry

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Hi Chuck-- Being a Sabbath-keeper myself (7th day and God's 7 annual ones), Dr. Geisler's proclamations drew my attention. Thanks for posting. Being quite a long list of Scriptures/commentaries, I went and picked out one of his most obvious misunderstandings. One of the errant assumptions he made:
The spirit of Sabbath observance is continued in the NT observance of rest and worship on the first day of the week.

Not so at all, Doc. The apostles and their students were still keeping the Sabbath days for as long as the Bible records (Jude - approx. 90 AD). Luke recorded "Acts" c. AD 62 - more than thirty years after Christ had died and ascended to Heaven. Let's start with Acts 2:1: "When the day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place..." (NKJV). This begins the account of the founding of God's Church, Chuck, and the apostles were observing God's annual Pentecost Sabbath. Another example: (12:1-3) "...Herod the king... killed James... with the sword... Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread." This is another of God's annual Sabbaths - still being observed by His followers long after Christ's death. And from 13:13-15, 42, 44: "Now when Paul and his party set sail from Paphos... they came to Antioch... and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. And... the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, '...if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.'... (vs.42)"So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath."... (vs.44)"On the next Sabbath almost the whole city [many years since the church had been founded at Pentecost] came together to hear the word of God."

And from Acts 20, vs.6: "But we sailed away from Philipi after the Days of Unleavened Bread [Sabbath days]." Vs.16:"Paul... was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost" (another Sabbath).

These are just a few examples of NT Sabbath-keeping by prominent members of God's church, and from just a single book. None of which Dr. Geisler seemed to notice. Too much protestant Roman Catholic indoctrination? I would think so. jg



 
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And from Acts 20, vs.6: "But we sailed away from Philipi after the Days of Unleavened Bread [Sabbath days]." Vs.16:"Paul... was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost" (another Sabbath).

These are just a few examples of NT Sabbath-keeping by prominent members of God's church, and from just a single book. None of which Dr. Geisler seemed to notice. Too much protestant Roman Catholic indoctrination? I would think so. jg



Hi Jeffrey,

I think that Paul became a Jew to win the Jews and that is a reason he kept the feasts and met with other Jews to win them.

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/9-20.htm

In Acts 18:6, some or all of that stopped:

And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
Acts 18:6 But when they opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, "Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles."

Only the resurrection of Jesus would have taken the believers from Saturday to Sunday.

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


Romans 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,

The Holy Spirit has been taken from the nation of Israel and given unto the Church so they're basically cut off until the nation of Israel is grafted back in. The Sabbath was a sign to the nation of Israel and I would say that it is a shadow but the resurrection is the image of the shadow. Sabbath keepers are following the shadow and not the reality that casts the shadow.

Jesus rose from the dead so now that we have the new reality, I worship because I follow Him because Jesus has been revealed.
 

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Hi Chuckt;

Jesus is our Shepherd, our Good Shepherd; we are His sheep in His pasture. The Good Shepherd leads His sheep and they follow Him:

KJV John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

Scriptures tell us that it is the custom of the Good Shepherd to be in church on Saturdays (see Luke 4:16), and that He is the same yesterday and today and forever (Heb 13:8). You are His Sheep, Chuckt; so why is it that when the Good Shepherd goes to church on Saturdays you - His sheep - refuse to follow Him and decide to be in church the next day? Do you have another Shepherd you follow to church on Sundays?
 

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Hi. I'm Jeffry. This is my first post here in CC. Been looking for an online Bible Study/Discussion group for some time. I don't know if this is it, or if anyone here is really interested in doing that, but here goes anyway. With full respect to the other members of this group: Where in the NT do we find either Jesus or any of His designated Apostles even suggesting a change to Sunday from God's seventh-day Sabbath? All of them are teaching/keeping God's Sabbath days through the Book of Acts - which records the history of the early church for decades after Christ's death and resurrection.
Has anyone ever wondered why a Roman Emperor and his advisors had Sunday declared the "universal" (catholic) day of weekly 'Christian' observance throughout the entire Roman Empire (i.e. most of the known world at the time)? And why they did so at a Roman political "Council" (Nicea, AD 325-327) almost three hundred years after God had begun His Own church in Jerusalem, on His annual Pentecost Sabbath? Many other churches, so many centuries later, began to leave the Roman one "in protest" - mostly over taxation, money and political power. Why did none of them fail to question the Roman Sunday custom as well? Could it be that 13-1400 years of Roman religious rule had made most Europeans take Sunday for granted? Thanks for listening. jg
Hi, welcome, G'day, Yes its a nice site to discuss things, But you'll find that most of the subjects have been discussed before (but good to bring them up again) and some people are not willing to change the way they see things. Jesus done miracles and some people still wouldn't accept Him. Don't give up, keep trying, you may help someone to see the light.
The law can be a burden or it can be written on our hearts depending on your motive for keeping it.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (This verse is talking about Gods people just before the Lord returns.)
 
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bikerchaz

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Glad to meet another biker, bikerchaz. I noticed the Swiss flag. I've been thru the Swiss-Italian Alps. Took my breath away. To my regret I did it in a rented Simca, not on my bike. My baby is a '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 - four cylinder, five speed, 72 honest Bhp. Can't stay w/modern supers, but will leave a Harley 1200 Sportster in the dust... which they deserve for selling nothing but a name :eek:)) We can get into whether God's holy spirit/power/ruach/pneuma is a "Person" at a later date. For now I'd like you to tell me about your ride - and why you love it. There is only so much we can handle at a given time. TTYS. jg
Yo fella, LOL the flag is the St Georges flag which represents England rather than the British isles, it does look similar to the Swiss but colours wrong way round LOL.
I used to be a bit of a two stroke nut, It is still my ambition to own a KH H1 750 Tripple, but I think / know the Lord has other things in mind for any spare cash I might come across LOL. My last ride was a Vauxhall Cavalier 1800 automatic, twin Webber trike, made with a bench seat to take the missus and two kids in 5 point harnesses, (hard tail with 15 PSI in rear tyres for a little bit of comfort), went like stink up to 80mph then it developed the aerodynamics of an up turned umbrella LOL. But when I had my spinal injury in 2014 I could not afford to keep it, but I am where the Lord wants me so I am comfortable with that.
And the Holy Spirit, well, all I know is that He leads me and directs me and in faith I must walk forward, whether spiritual entity or not He is part of the God Head and does the work of the Father here on earth with us, in us and through us.
God bless.
 
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Jeffry

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Chuck-- I've got to call you on this one. I really don't think you realise that hardly anything in your post addresses what I just put up, i.e.: Biblical proof the the 1st-century church was faithfully keeping the Sabbath days... both 7th day and annual. A glaring, unsourced opinion that you included was:
Only the resurrection of Jesus would have taken the believers from Saturday to Sunday.

"Believers"? Everyone believes something, Chuck! The term "believers" is so vague and overused that it should mean nothing to a serious Bible student. Attila the Hun was a "believer" of whatever it was that he believed.

Now, let's look at this "Sunday Resurrection" claim. The Roman Catholic Church (with her 'protesting' versions falling in line) still teaches that Jesus died on a Friday afternoon and rose from the dead at sunrise Sunday morning. That teaching is calling Christ a liar. When asked for a sign that He was the Messiah, the only sign that He would give was what He called "the sign of Jonah"... that He would be in His grave for "three days and three nights" (Matt. 12:39-40). Late Friday afternoon to sunrise Sunday is only one day and two nights. The Romish churches are Satan's greatest deception of mankind.

 

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Sunday worship was further hallowed by our Lord who appeared to John in
that last great vision on “the Lord’s Day” (Rev. 1:10).

It is for these reasons that Christians worship on Sunday,
rather than on the Jewish Sabbath.
- John saw was in a vision of the future, nothing in that verse says it was sunday.
Man can not make a day holy like God did with the Sabbath days.

They are Gods Holy convocations, or feasts, made long before Judah was born.

the oracles of God

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:

who received the lively oracles to give unto us Acts 7:38

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them

were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
 

Grandpa

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Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Did you know that the priesthood has changed? You can't worship the Lord Jesus and the old law under the old priesthood at the same time.


Hebrews 7:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

The Lord Jesus came from Judah, He wasn't a Levite. So, obviously something changed in order for the Lord Jesus Christ to be High Priest.

What was the change? It was the following of a carnal commandment. Working at the law in your own strength and understanding. You know, resting on saturday because you think that's what the law says...

Hebrews 7:18-19

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Following a carnal commandment does nothing to cause a person to be perfect. It doesn't make you more holy. It doesn't make you righteous.

Drawing close to God does cause a person to be perfected. Drawing close to God does make a person more holy. Drawing close to Go does make a person righteous.

Hebrews 7:22-28

[SUP]22 [/SUP]By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


Something changed, from the Old Testament to the New Testament.

How is it that 7th Day Adventists and other legalists and Judaizers don't know this? Just read Galatians to find out how these people attempted to pervert (taint/ change) christianity into their own form of Judaism/Legalism. Then read Acts 15 and see what wrong side of the fence they are on.

Thank God for the New Testament.
 

Grandpa

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Romans 7:4-6
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

If you are pointing back to the law and telling everyone 'look, you have to do it, its the law', then you haven't died to the law and you aren't serving in newness of spirit. You are still following after a carnal commandment in your own understanding and trying to get everyone else to do the same thing.

Blind guides...

Galatians 2:18-21

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


I don't think one person can really teach another person any of this. I think a person has to be like the Bereans and read the bible for themselves and pray to the Lord for wisdom and Knowledge and Revelation of Christ in order to understand there has been a change. A change in Testaments and a change in ourselves.
 

valiant

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Those quotes are "unreliable", Valiant? You'd probably argue arithmetic with Stephen Hawking!


With all due respect (I'd still buy ya a beer), it's your own statement here that's "unreliable". You couldn't find anything about God's weekly Sabbath day until Exod.16??? How about "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done" (Gen. 2:2-3) (NIV).
Genesis 2 doesn't mention the Sabbath. It was the day of God's ceasing to work, and not man's. The first mention of the Sabbath was in Exodus16. There the impression is at least some of the elders did not know of it
 

valiant

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Chuck-- I've got to call you on this one. I really don't think you realise that hardly anything in your post addresses what I just put up, i.e.: Biblical proof the the 1st-century church was faithfully keeping the Sabbath days... both 7th day and annual.


If you observe the narratives you will note that all refer to a Jewish context. Paul was going to the Jews, and obviously they kept the Sabbath, Being wise Paul chose to seek people who were gathered to hear the law, and that was on the Sabbath. But when he left them and went to the Gentiles he preached daily.

Furthermore in Acts 20 the gathering of Christians was on the first day of the week (Acts 20.7), He was there seven days but the Sabbath in not mentioned. The first day of the week was the important day,

A glaring, unsourced opinion that you included was:
Only the resurrection of Jesus would have taken the believers from Saturday to Sunday.

try the letter of Barnabas and Justin martyr,

"Believers"? Everyone believes something, Chuck! The term "believers" is so vague and overused that it should mean nothing to a serious Bible student. Attila the Hun was a "believer" of whatever it was that he believed.
Rubbish, anyone knows what believers meant in context.

Now, let's look at this "Sunday Resurrection" claim. The Roman Catholic Church (with her 'protesting' versions falling in line) still teaches that Jesus died on a Friday afternoon and rose from the dead at sunrise Sunday morning. That teaching is calling Christ a liar. When asked for a sign that He was the Messiah, the only sign that He would give was what He called "the sign of Jonah"... that He would be in His grave for "three days and three nights" (Matt. 12:39-40). Late Friday afternoon to sunrise Sunday is only one day and two nights. The Romish churches are Satan's greatest deception of mankind.
three days and three nights was a jewish way of saying three days or part thereof. that is a fact. so your argument is a;; WRONG.
 

valiant

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Originally Posted by valiant
the ten commandments were an intrinsic part of the covenant with Israel. They are the very basis of the covenant. They were not 'a spiritual law' . Your idea is a modern invention. The original covenant as given is Exodus 20.1-17. The remainder are additional covenants, explaining the detail behind the original covenant,

But the basic laws in the ten commandments, laws 6-9 were based on past laws which remain binding on us all. They were in existence LONG BEFORE the ten commands which came comparatively late. They were observed long before the ten commands. Do you really think that the world had no law before Moses? Read Genesis 26.5. Abraham had a host of God's commands, statute and laws.
Dear Valiant-- Please allow me to clarify. When I call the Ten Commandments (all 10) a "spiritual law", I am referring to the fact that they require mental agreement, such as in God's Sabbath Commandment: "I am the LORD your God; follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God." (Ezek. 20:19-20) jg
All laws were equally spiritual or not. you have not dealt with the main issue, that the ten commands were an intrinsic part of the Jewish covenant,
 
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Jeffry

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From Grandpa: Did you know that the priesthood has changed? You can't worship the Lord Jesus and the old law under the old priesthood at the same time...
Of course, Grandpa. God's human priesthood ended when He raised His Son from the dead as our "High Priest". As such, Christ is the "mediator" of the "spiritual law" (Rom. 7:14)... the Ten Commandments. The "old law", as you call it, is of course the "Law of Moses" (start w/Deut. 17... summed up in Deut 31:24-26). The L of M is a set of physical laws... ceremonial washings, animal sacrifices, the keeping of separate pots for cooking certain types of foods, men allowing the edges of their beards to grow, tassels on certain garments, when to let fields lay fallow, and many more (many of which are still kept today by Orthodox Jews). Ancient Israel couldn't yet have the spirit of God in their minds to guide them, so the the L of M was given to teach ancient Israel the habit of obedience (as seen in the very next verse - Deut. 31:27).

These are the laws which (mostly) Paul refers to as "the works of the law"... physical rituals. This is the law which was "done away" by the resurrection of Christ, and the giving of God's holy spirit when He founded His church in Jerusalem, on His next Pentecost Sabbath.


 
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Tintin

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Oh, boy. It's pretty simple really. Christians worship on a Sunday because Jesus Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday.
 

trofimus

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"When did 'Christians' adopt Sunday as their weekly Sabbath?"
Never. Maybe roman catholics, but who cares about them, they got almost everything wrong.

If you ask about "when it was adopted as the weekly gathering"
- in the first century, massively spread through churches in the second and third.
 
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Jeffry

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From Valiant: "Rubbish, anyone knows what believers meant in context."

Alright then, Valiant. Would you please enlighten our readers with what all "believers" believe?