When did 'Christians' adopt Sunday as their weekly Sabbath?

Grandpa · Feb 14, 2016

I was referring to the 10 commandments as the old law. Those written on stone.

Which are commonly referred to as the Law of Moses because those stones were given to him by God.

People are always trying to separate the Old Law in the Old Testament so that they can justify their work at some aspect of it. It seems wise. It seems good. But in the end, its not.

Jeffry · Feb 14, 2016

Dear Valiant-- You really need to learn the difference between the terms "Jew" and "Israelite". Hint: All Jews are Israelites (direct descendants of one of Jacob/Israel's twelve sons), but only very few Israelites are Jews (direct descendants of Israel's son "Judah"). Kapeesh?

Jeffry · Feb 14, 2016

From Grandpa: I was referring to the 10 commandments as the old law. Those written on stone.

Dear Grandpa-- The 10 Commandments were given on stone because they are a PERMANENT LAW. It will never be ok with God's Family to kill, steal, commit adultery, ignore the Sabbath days, dishonor your parents, etc, etc.

Which are commonly referred to as the Law of Moses because those stones were given to him by God.
Again, Grandpa; would you PLEASE read Deut. 31:24-26. "The Law of Moses" was written down by him in a perishable book, not on stone. You can cut your beard now, if you want to!

Jeffry · Feb 14, 2016

From Valiant: try the letter of Barnabas and Justin martyr

Dear Valiant-- Why? What for? Both were written well into the 2nd century. And neither agrees with the rest of the Bible - nor are they included in any legitimate translation. Both are kind of like "I and II Machabees" - which the Roman Catholic Church added to their own version of the Old Testament to "support" (actually to "confuse") their profession of Sunday as "The Lord's Day".

Chuckt · Feb 14, 2016

Samie said:

Brother Drew on Sabbatarianism:

There was no order from God for Noah to observe the Sabbath, according to the Word.

There was no observance of the Sabbath by the Patriarchs, according to the Word.

The Sabbath was not established by God for man until the Children of Israel left Egypt.

There was no order from the Jerusalem council for the Gentile converts to observe the Sabbath:

Acts 15:
28: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Therefore, let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:13-17)

Just as the sacrificial lamb was the foreshadow of the Lamb of God, so too is the Sabbath a foreshadow of the true rest in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God; for whoever enters God's rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his. (Hebrews 4:9-10)

Chuckt · Feb 14, 2016

Samie said:

Seventh Day Adventism and the Sabbath
Does Hebrews 4:9 establish that NT Churches need to assemble for worship on Saturday, as Seventh Day Adventism contends?

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:1-11)

What is the significance of sabbatismos ("rest") in Hebrews 4:9?

1.) The word appears to have been coined by Paul under inspiration; it is not found elsewhere in the NT, or in previous writings such as the LXX.

2.) It refers to the spiritual rest of salvation in the kingdom of God, not to worship on a particular day of the week; it certainly does not prove that NT Gentile Christians in churches need to gather for worship on Saturday.

a.) If we were to say that the "rest" of v. 9, and the context, referred to a particular day of worship, it would not establish Saturday worship for NT churches, because:

1.) The rest for the saints of this dispensation is set in contrast to the rest of OT Israel, v. 6. If OT Israel worshipped on Saturday, and the NT sabbatismos is set in contrast to what the nation practiced then, reference to a particular day would establish that NT worship is not for Saturday, but for another day.

2.) If a particular day of the week is in view in v. 9, it is "another day" (v. 8) than that which was practiced in the OT worship under Joshua (v. 8, Jesus is the Greek form of the name Joshua; this is not to neglect that Joshua was a servant of the God of Israel, Jesus Christ, the ultimate Giver of rest, whose rest was not yet at hand in the OT dispensation), which the entire thrust of the book of Hebrews, as well as the immediate context of Hebrews 4:9, demonstrates to have been superceded; so if the sabbatismos of v. 9 refers to a particular day of worship, whatever day it would be, it would NOT be Saturday.

3.) The rest was yet future in the days of king David, v. 7, when many were worshipping on the Saturday Sabbath.

4.) "But is not Saturday worship a creation ordinance, Genesis 2:2-3, Hebrews 4:4?" While the fact of Genesis 2:2-3 was not written down, as far as we know, until Moses' day, the church is not an institution that pertains to this world and the old creation, but to the new creation, the New Jerusalem, the world to come. It is natural, then, that it worships on "another day" than the day that pertains to this world and this creation.

Conclusion: If the sabbatismos "rest" of v. 9 were a particular day of the week set apart for worship in the church of Christ, the one day it could NOT be would be Saturday. It would have to be "another day," one different from that of OT Israel. This passage would prove that Sunday is the Sabbath before it would prove that NT Christians in churches need to worship on Saturday.

b.) However, the passage does not speak of a particular day of worship, but of entrance into the spiritual and eternal kingdom of God by faith without works (v. 10) in Jesus Christ.

1.) The word "rest" in v. 9 is not sabbaton, "Sabbath," but sabbatismos. Paul could have said "There remaineth the Sabbath to the people of God," but he said, under inspiration, "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." The word sabbaton, Sabbath, is used 68 times in the New Testament. The Holy Spirit deliberately did NOT use that word here, because He intended to convey something different.

2.) The rest spoken of was not entered into by unsaved Jews who kept the Sabbath in the wilderness, v. 5, cf. Psalm 95:7-11. God swore in His wrath that they would not enter into His rest, Psalm 95:11, v. 5 (The "if they shall enter" in Hebrews 4:5 is an idiomatic way of saying "they shall not enter"; note the Hebrews 3:11 translates Greek identical to Hebrews 4:5 as "they shall not enter," etc.)

3.) Unbelief is the reason the rest is not entered into, v. 6. One who has entered into that rest has ceased to trust in works for salvation, v. 10; one enters into the rest, the sabbatismos, of v. 9 by renouncing works, including the law of Moses, to trust only in Christ for salvation. How does one enter into the rest under consideration? By worshipping on Satuday? No--"we which have believed do enter into rest," v. 3. All those who truly believe in Jesus Christ have this rest as their inheritance, whether they are saved on their deathbeds, or while being executed (Luke 23:43) and never worship in the church of God one day in their lives, while many who worship in both real Christian churches, and almost all who worship in its heretical counterfeits, never enter into that rest, regardless of what they do or do not do on the Lord's day, even as most of the OT Israelites kept the Sabbath but never entered into rest.

4.) One who has a hard heart that keeps him from believing in Jesus Christ alone without works for salvation does not enter into the rest, v. 7. One can rest on Saturday, Sunday, or any other day of the week but still have a hard heart.

5.) The unconverted Jews who had knowledge of truths about Jesus Christ, but were considering turning from Him back to the OT system, who were the subject of this warning passage in Hebrews (3:7-4:13) and the other warning passages (Hebrews 2:1-4; 6:4-12; 10:26-39; 12:25-29) needed to "labour" to enter into that rest (cf. "strive to enter in at the strait gate," Luke 13:24, that is, do what it takes to understand the gospel and then receive Jesus Christ), and cease from their own works (v. 10), and were in danger of damnation on the basis of unbelief, v. 11, cf. v. 6. If they returned to Judaism they would be keeping the Sabbath with the other Jews. A warning to not return to Judaism but to believe in Jesus Christ and so enter into His salvation-rest, of which the OT Sabbath was a type and promise (even as the rest of God in creation set forth the coming of an eternal rest for those chosen in Christ for salvation from before the foundation of the world), fits the context of Hebrews 4 and makes clear sense of v. 11. There is no way to make v. 11 intelligible on the notion that the rest under discussion is a continued worship on Saturday, in common with the Jews who Paul in Hebrews is seeking to separate the audience of the epistle from.

6.) One could "seem to come short of" the promise of "entering into his rest" (v. 1). The "entering" is an aorist Greek form, indicating the one-time action of coming to faith in Christ. The verse makes sense if the question under consideration is the possession of genuine saving faith versus mere profession of Christianity, but how can this possibly fit into worshipping Saturday?

7.) The passage explicitly says how one enters into the rest under consideration: by means of "the gospel preached" being "mixed with faith," "we which have believed do enter into rest" (v. 2-3). What more needs to be said? The rest under consideration is salvation-rest through faith in Christ. Hebrews 4:9, in context, gives zero support to Saturday NT worship.

Conclusion: The sabbatismos, "rest," of v. 8 is salvation-rest in Jesus Christ, which is entered into by being born again through faith, and of which the OT Sabbath was merely a "shadow of things to come" (Colossians 2:16-17). For the Seventh Day Adventist movement to seize upon Hebrews 4:8 to attempt to prove that the Jewish Sabbath is binding on NT Christians and churches demonstrates a radical, severe misinterpretation of the passage. Seventh Day Adventism practices Saturday worship because of the "inspired" writings of Ellen White, not because of the Bible.
-quoted from brother Daniel

Jeffry · Feb 14, 2016

And more from Valiant's same post:

"If you observe the narratives you will note that all refer to a Jewish context. Paul was going to the Jews, and obviously they kept the Sabbath..."

Are we talking about the same "Paul"? The man who was commissioned as the "Apostle to the Gentiles"? The man who started churches among the pagan Latins in Rome? and in the pagan, Greek cities of Corinth, and Galatia, and Ephesus, and in Philippi? And others in pagan Colossi, and Thessalonika? And that these places were all loaded with Sabbath-keeping Jews? You may be the first person to have ever made that claim.

And then: "three days and three nights was a jewish way of saying three days or part thereof. that is a fact. so your argument is a;; WRONG."

"A Jewish way" of saying that, eh? The first time I heard that one was from the Roman Catholic priest who taught "Religion" to the first-year students in the high school I attended (you'd call it "college"). GOD inspired that passage, Valiant. And He isn't "Jewish". It means exactly what it says: "three days and three nights". 72 hours.

Jeffry · Feb 15, 2016

TMS said:

Hi, G'day to you myte, and and thanks for the welcome, TMS. Glad ya kin hear me from "way down there" 'Preciate the concern. I did eight years in a WebTV Bible discussion group called "alt.discuss.god-talk.christian" (one of their 'classics') and have the bullet holes and battle scars to prove it ;o)) Like you, I know I can't convince anyone of anything myself. As Yeshua Messiah tells us (Jhn. 6:44, 6:55): "No one can come to Me unless/until the Father Who sent Me draws him."

If I could learn to say what I do w/out being so aggressive about it, everyone (including myself) would be much better off. I'm a little bit "rough" yet, not having posted since WebTV shut down. I'll get my "smoothe" back - things'll be fine.

gotime · Feb 15, 2016

Praise God we are not under law. Born in Grace.

gotime · Feb 15, 2016

ps last post was not a reply to anyone just a statement or thought I had while reading some posts.

Grandpa · Feb 15, 2016

Jeffry said:

You are right about it not being ok to kill, steal, etc...

But the old law is done away in Christ. Our work at the 10 commandments is finished when we come to Christ. That work never really did anything for us anyway. It still doesn't.

We have something better now.

Maybe you should read Galatians... and Romans, and Hebrews... and Acts 15.

Kaycie · Feb 15, 2016

It has nothing to do with the Catholic Church or Roman council. We do not celebrate the sabbath day on Sunday. Matter of fact, we are not under any of the Old Testament laws, we are only under Christ- Whom ALL authority has been given to in heaven and on earth- that leaves no authority for the laws of Moses. (Romans 7:1-4).

So what then are we doing on Sunday's? On the first day of the week Christ rose from the dead. On the first day of the week we are to assemble together and partake of the Lords Supper- this is OUR covenant in the New Testament. (Matthew 26:28). On the first day of the week we are to give to God as we prosper. On the first day of the week we are to hear a sermon. Sounds to me like church on Sunday.

The last day of the week covenant commemorates a finished creation.
The first day of the week covenant commemorates a finished redemption.

Samie · Feb 15, 2016

Chuckt;

Thank you for your two lengthy posts. I appreciate you going through that length. But it seems there is nothing in that post that addressed my post to you. Here again:

I am really interested in your direct address to my above post. Thank you.

prove-all · Feb 15, 2016

entering rest

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering
into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

-how did they came short?

Heb 4:2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us,
even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them,
because it was not united by (faith) with them that heard.

-they did not have faith.

Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest;even as
he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise,
And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;

-notice entering into that rest is connected with the seventh day.

Heb 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto,
and they to whom the good tidings were before preached
failed to enter in [because of disobedience,]

-God said they will not enter His rest, but they failed because of [disobedience].
about the 7th day Sabbath command.

Heb 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David
so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before),
To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.

Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken
afterward of another day.

-David said "today" long after Joshua took them into the promised land
so thus proving that there is a rest still to be entered.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works,
as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest,

that no man fall after the same example of [disobedience].

-A rest remains, but notice the issue is do not disobey.

Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holy of holies;
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense, and the ark of the covenant overlaid
round about with gold, wherein was a golden pot holding the manna,
and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

-the pot of manna was put in the most Holy

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which Jehovah thy God hath led thee
these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble thee, to prove thee, to know
what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna,
which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know

that man doth not live by bread only, but by everything that proceedeth
out of the mouth of Jehovah doth man live.

-God tested them for 40 years to humble them to see what was in their hearts.
that they should live by every word (10 commandments spoken by Gods own mouth)
not by bread alone.

-what did the bread teach?

Exo 16:4 Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you;
and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them,
whether they will walk in my law, or not.

Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass on the sixth day, that they shall prepare that which
they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

-and how long did God prove them with the manna?

Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which Jehovah hath commanded, Let
an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread
wherewith I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.

Exo 16:33 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omerful of manna therein,
and lay it up before Jehovah, to be kept throughout your generations.

As Jehovah commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.
And the children of Israel did eat the manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited;
they did eat the manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

-40 years. this is the issue being spoken of in Hebrews:

Heb 3:16 For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they
that came out of Egypt by Moses?

Heb 3:17 And with whom was he displeased forty years?
was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest,
but to them that were disobedient?
Heb 3:19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:4-10 "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works [Gen. 2:2-3].

And in this [place again],

If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth
that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in
because of unbelief [sound familiar?]: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David,
To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [see below] to the people of God. For he that is entered
into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

rest (G4520) sabbatismos
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by
the true worshippers of God and true Christians
from a derivative of G4521

(G4521) sabbaton
1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites
were required to abstain from all work
1a. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week
of Hebrew origin H7676

(H7676) shabba^th
1. Sabbath
1a. sabbath
1b. day of atonement
1c. sabbath year
1d. week
1e. produce (in sabbath year)
intensive from H7673

(7673) sha^bath
1. to cease, desist, rest
1a. (Qal)
1a-1. to cease
1a-2. to rest, desist (from labour)
1b. (Niphal) to cease
1c. (Hiphil)
1c-1. to cause to cease, put an end to
1c-2. to exterminate, destroy
1c-3. to cause to desist from
1c-4. to remove
1c-5. to cause to fail
2. (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath
a primitive root

Genesis 2:2-3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God
blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from
all his work which God created and made."

The LORD created the seventh day (Sabbath), blessed and sanctified it
"because that in it he had rested from all his work".

-once God has blessed something, can it be undone?

Numbers 23:19-20 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall
he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless:

and he hath blessed; and [I cannot reverse it]."

-Here Balaam tells Balak that the LORD gave him a commandment to bless Israel.
He told Balak that what the LORD has blessed, he cannot reverse it.
Do we think we can reverse the blessing the LORD has placed on something?

1 Chronicles 17:26-27 "And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness
unto thy servant: Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may
be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever."

prove-all · Feb 15, 2016

Below is a small list of languages that indicate a seven day weekly cycle
with the seventh day as the Sabbath / Rest.

Shemitic
Hebrew Bible Yom Ha Shabbath or Day of the Sabbath
Hebrew (ancient and modern) Shabbath or Sabbath
Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew literature) Yom Shviaa or Day Seventh AND Sabbath or Sabbath
Kurdistan Jews (Targum dialect) Yoymet Shabbat Kodesh or Holy Sabbath Day
Ancient Syriac Shabbatho or Sabbath
Chaldee Syriac (Kurdistan; Urumia, Persia) Shapta or Sabbath
Samaritan (Nablas, Palestine) (use old Hebrew letters) Yoma Hasheviah or Day the Seventh AND Shabbath or Sabbath
Babylonian (Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia) Sabatu or Sabbath
Assyrian (Euphrates & Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia) Sabatu or Sabbath
Arabic (very old names) Shiyar or Chief or Rejoicing Day
Arabic (ancient and modern; W. Asia, E, W & N Africa) Assabt or The Sabbath
Maltese (Malta) Issibt or Sabbath
Tigre (Abyssinia) Sanbat or Sabbath
Amharic (Abyssinia) Sanbat or Sabbath
Falasha (Jews of Abyssinia) Yini Sanbat or The Sabbat

Hamitic
Coptic (Egypt; a dead language for 300 years) Pi Sabbaton or The Sabbath
Orma or Galla (south of Abyssinia) Zambada or Sabbath
Tamashek or Towarek (ancient Libyan or Numidian) Ahal Essabt or The Sabbath Day
Kabyle or Berber (Ancient Numidian; N Africa) Ghas or Sabbath Day
Hausa (Central Africa) Aseebatu or The Sabbath

Japhetic
Sanscrit (India) Shanivar or Saturn-day
Hindi (India) Shumiwar or Saturn-day
Pali (India) Sanivaro or Saturn-day
Urdu or Hindustani (Islamic and Hindu, India) Shamba or Sabbath; And Sanichar or Saturn
Pashto or Afghan (Afghanistan) Khali or Unemployed day; And Shamba or Holiday, Sabbath
Pahlavi or Pahlavi-Pazand (Ancient Persian) Kevan or Saturn; And Shambid or Fragrance - The pleasantest day of the week; And Dies Sabbati or Sabbath
Persian (Persia; Modern Iran) Shambih or Holiday, Sabbath
Armenian (Armenia) Shapat or Sabbath
Kurdish (Kurdistan) Shamba or Sabbath
Brahuiky (Beluchistan) Awalihafta or First or Chief of the Seven; And Shambe or Sabbath

Tartaric
Mongolian (Sharra-Mongolian; Eastern Mongolia) Sanitear and Bemba or The Son of the Sun, Saturn
Kalmuk (Western Mongolia) Bembe Graku or Saturn Planet
Turkish (Osmanlian; Turkey) Yomessabt or Day the Sabbath
Lazen (Pashelik of Trebisond) Ssabatun or Sabbath

Monosyllabic
Chinese (Roman Catholic; earlier) Chanlitsi or Worship-day Seven
Mohammadan Chinese Saibitai or Sabbath
Annamite (Annam) Ngaythubay or Day in order Seven
Ancient Peguan (Pegu-Burma) T'pauh or (Day) Seven
Khassi (Cossyah Hills, East of Bengal) Ka sngi sait-jain or A day to wash clothes; Purification-day
Tibetan (Tibet) Za-pen pa or (Planet Seven)
Boutan (Little Tibet) Pen-pa or Eye of God=Saturn; AND Odsardunpa or Seventh Brilliant Star
Georgian (Caucasus) Shabati or Sabbath
Suanian (Caucasus)Ingouish (Caucasus) Sammtyn or Sabbath
Aware or Avar (Daghistan; Cis-Caucasus) Samat qo or Sabbath Day

Polynesian
Malayan (Sumatra) hari Sabtu or Day Sabbath
Javanese (Java) Saptoe (saptu) or Sabbath
Sunda (West Java) Saptu or Sabbath
Dayak (Borneo) Sabtu or Sabbath
Makssar (Southern Celebes and Salayer Islands) Sattu or Sabbath
Bugis (Celebes) Sattu or Sabbath
Malagassay (Madagascar) Alsabotsy or The Sabbath
Nuforian (NW New Guinea) Ras Fiek or Day Seven

African
Swahili (East Africa) Assabu or The Sabbath
Congo (West Africa) Satade or Saturday; AND Kiaosabulu or Sabbado: Sabbath
Isolated Languages?
Wolof (Sengambia, W Africa) Alere-asser or Last Day - Sabbath
Fulah (W Africa) Essibt or The Sabbath
Mandingo (South of Senegal, W Africa) Sibiti or Sabbath
Teda (Central Africa) Essebdu or The Sabbath
Bornu or Kanuri (Central Africa) Sibda or Sabbath
Fulfulde (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath
Sonyal (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath
Logone (Central Africa) Se-sibde or Sabbath
Wandals (Central Africa) Sidba or Sabbath
Bagrimma (Central Africa) Sibbedi or Sabbath
Maba (Central Africa) Sab. or Sabbath

Miscellaneous
Norman French (10th and 11th centuries) Seabedi, Samaday, Semadi or Sabbath Day
Ancient French (12 and 13th centuries) Samedi or Sabbath Day
D?oc. France (ancient and modern) Dissata, Dissate or Day Sabbath
Ecclesiastical Roman Sabatum
Parliamentary (British) Dies Sabbati
Basque (Spain and France) Larumbat or One Quarter (moon)
Finnish (Finland) Lauvantai or Corruptions of Icelandic Laugardagur
Estonian (Estonia) Lau-paaw or Bathday
Livonian (Baltic Russia) Puol-paava or Half Day
Lap (Laplanders, Norway) Lavardak or Corruption of Ice. Lang.
Morduin (Russia) Subbota, Suota or Sabbath
Tsheremissian (Russia) Kuks-keca or Dry-day (day without work)
Permian (Russia) Subota or Sabbath
Votiak (Russia)
Hungarian (Hungary) Szombat or Sabbath
Ostiac (Russia) Chotmetchatl or Sixth-day; AND Juolynchatl or Hinder end-day
Greek (Greece) (Sabbath)
Modern Greek (Greece) (Sabbath)
Latin (Italy) Sabbatum or Sabbath; AND Dies Saturni or Day of Saturn
Italian (Italy) Sabato or Sabbath
Spanish (Spain) Sabado or Sabbath
Portuguese (Portugal) Sabado or Sabbath
French (France) Samedi or Sabbath-day
Roman (Spain, Catalonia) Dissapte or Day-Sabbath
Wallachian (Romania or Wallachia) Sambata or Sabbath
Old High German (South Germany) Sambaztag or Sabbath's day
High German (Germany) Samstag or Sabbath's day
Icelandic (Iceland) Laugardagur or (of bath-day)
Swedish (Sweden) Lordag or Corruption of Icelandic Laugardagur
Danish (Denmark) Laverdag or Corruption of Icelandic Laugardagur
Old Slave (Bulgaria) Subbota or Sabbath
Russian (Russia) Subbota or Sabbath
Illyrian (Dalmatia, Serbia) Subota or Sabbath
New Slovenian (Illyrie in Austria) Sobota or Sabbath
Bulgarian (Bulgaria) Subbota or Sabbath
Polish (Poland) Sobota or Sabbath
Bohemian (Bohemia) Sobota or Sabbath
Lusatian (Saxony) Sobota or Sabbath
Polabic (borders of the Elbe) Subuta or Sabbath
Lithuanian (Lithuania) fubata or Sabbath
Prussian (Prussia; Germany) Sabatico or Sabbath
English Bible (England) The Seventh Day, The Sabbath

this could not have happened if there was no flood and no tower of Babel.
this should prove the Sabbath day was known back then.

There is NO natural weekly cycle in nature that man can follow, or from the stars.
it is from creation week, when God placed his presence in it making it holy and known.

prove-all · Feb 15, 2016

What “Break Bread” Means

Jesus had introduced the “Lord’s Supper” as part of the Passover, at the beginning of
the annual “days of unleavened bread.” No longer need they kill lambs or eat the roasted
body of Passover lambs, after Christ, our Passover, had been once slain for us.

The Passover was ordained forever (Exodus 12:24).

At His last Passover supper, Jesus substituted the wine as the emblem of His blood,
instead of the blood of the slain lamb. He substituted the unleavened bread for
the roast body of the lamb as the symbol of His body, broken for us.

The disciples continued to observe the Passover annually, now in the form of
“the Lord’s Supper” using only the bread and wine, as a memorial (1?Corinthians 11:24)
of Christ’s death (1?Corinthians 11:26), showing His death till He comes again.

They continued to observe the Days of Unleavened Bread (Acts 20:6).

This year they had observed the Days of Unleavened Bread and the “Communion” service
at Philippi, after which they came to Troas in five days, where they remained seven days.

After the Sabbath day had ended, at sunset, “upon the first day of the week…
the disciples came together to break bread.”

People have assumed this expression to mean the taking of “Communion.”
But notice! Paul preached, and continued preaching until midnight.

They had no opportunity to stop and “break bread” until then. When Paul “therefore
was come up again”—after restoring the one who had fallen down from the third balcony
“and had broken bread, and eaten” Acts 20:11

Note it! “roken bread, and eaten.” This breaking bread was not Communion
—it was simply eating a meal. This expression was commonly used of old to designate
a meal. It still is used in that sense in parts of even the United States.

Notice Luke 22:16, where Jesus was introducing the Lord’s Supper, taking it with His disciples.
He said, “I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Yet, the day after His resurrection, after walking with the two disciples to Emmaus,
“..as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them”
(Luke 24:30). Here Jesus “brake bread,” but it was not the Lord’s Supper,
which He said He would not take again. It was a meal—“he sat at meat.”

Notice Acts 2:46. The disciples, “continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness?.…”
Here again, “breaking bread” means eating a meal. Not on the first day of the week, but daily.

Again, when Paul was shipwrecked on the voyage to Rome, the sailors had been fasting out
of fright. But “Paul besought them all to take meat, saying, This day is the fourteenth day
that ye have tarried and continued fasting, having taken nothing.

Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health?.… And when he had
thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all: and when he
had broken it, he began to eat” (Acts 27:33-35).

Here Paul broke bread to give to unconverted sailors who were hungry.

The truth is, nowhere in the Bible is the expression “breaking of bread,” or “to break bread,”
used to signify observance of “the Lord’s Supper.” In all these texts it means, simply, eating a meal.
So, when we read in Acts 20:7, 11, “the disciples came together to break bread,”

and how Paul had “broken bread, and eaten,” we know by Scripture interpretation
it referred only to eating food as a meal, not to a Communion service.

it says nothing about anything being done every first day of the week.
It relates the events of this one particular first day of the week, only.

prove-all · Feb 15, 2016

Polycarp

After the death of the apostle John, a disciple of his, Polycarp,
waged a controversy over the Passover-Easter question with the
bishop of Rome, by then leader of the church started by Simon.

Still later, another disciple of Christ’s true Christianity,
Polycrates, waged a still hotter controversy over the same
Passover-Easter question with another bishop of Rome.

This theological battle was called the Quartodeciman Controversy.
Polycrates contended, as Jesus and the original apostles taught,

that the Passover should be observed in the new Christian form
introduced by Jesus and by the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 11),

using unleavened bread and wine instead of sacrificing a lamb,
on the eve of the 14th Nisan (first month in the sacred calendar,
occurring in the spring).

But [the Rome church] insisted that it be observed on a Sunday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_controversy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp
he was a disciple of John the Apostle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycrates_of_Ephesus

Jeffry · Feb 15, 2016

From prove-all:
Polycarp

After the death of the apostle John, a disciple of his, Polycarp,
waged a controversy over the Passover-Easter question with the
bishop of Rome, by then leader of the church started by Simon...

I wonder have many realise that the "Simon" you refer to here is the same "Simon Magus/magician/sorcerer that Luke records in Acts 8.

Jeffry · Feb 15, 2016

Hi Chuck-- You mentioned:
"The Holy Spirit has been taken from the nation of Israel and given unto the Church so they're basically cut off until the nation of Israel is grafted back in..."

Two questions, Chuck:
1. Would you please cite a reference for that statement?
2. Which "nation of Israel" does it make reference to? (The little Mid-East state created for Judah by the United Nations, or the 12-tribed, Biblical nation descended from Jacob/Israel?)

RobbyEarl · Feb 15, 2016

Because Sunday is the first day of the week. Given our Modern calendar. Serve God first.

When did 'Christians' adopt Sunday as their weekly Sabbath?

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