I need some advice...and prayer. My nine year old girl.

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JosephsDreams

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My wife died about a year ago. She had breast cancer for five years. We had been married for almost 10 years.
We have two girls, one is now seven, the other nine.
The seven year old is very loving, very demonstrative with her feelings, very sensitive. She talks freely about her feelings. She is a pleasure to be around, and easy to raise.
My nine year old is very talkative, very smart, very pragmatic, and is just the opposite of the seven year old, emotionally speaking. She does not like to share her feelings, and is not much of a huger or kisser. She loves to sing, and is very creative in a artistic way, Just about anything she puts her mind to, be it cooking, or sewing, or physical activity, she picks up fairly quickly, and does it well. I wish I had half her talents.
The relationship between my wife and I was rocky for many years, and we argued a lot. My mother-in-law lived with us for about 7 of those 10 years.
My wife often argued, yelled at me, and often put me down in front of the girls. My mother-in-law would straight out tell my now nine year old not to listen to me, and what a bad guy I was, etc.Not to mention she would tell her whole side of the family what a rotten guy I was, usually when she was on the phone, while my daughter was present.
My daughter would openly punch and hit me for years, on a regular basis, besides being rude, not listening much to me, and really just staying away from me. My wife and mother-in-law, while telling her not to do it, would not usually go much beyond a light verbal reprimand.
She has not skipped a beat in school, despite her moms death, and is generally very pragmatic, and responsible, and goes about her daily routines the same now as she did before her mom died. I keep her busy with after school gymnastics, and guitar lessons, things she likes to, and wants to, do. She is a ravenous reader, reading about two 150 to 200 page books a month.
So now here we are, my nine year old, while she has stopped hitting me, and listens to me a lot more then she previously did, still challenges me at a verbal level on a consistent basis. She also has told me that I treated her mom meanly, that she thinks my younger daughter gets to much attention, and that we need a woman in the house. She has told me she does not like males. My older son, 31 years old, from my first marriage has been living with us for about 4 months, and she has made it clear she does not want him there. My mother, and my friends have sometimes been over to visit, and she tells me, and sometimes them, she does not want them there. She antagonizes my son, hits him, and generally is insulting and rude to him. She is sometimes rude to my friends, when they come over, which is actually not that often.
She keeps things bottled up, rarely, if ever mentions her mom, and is a bit high strung.
Just last night she was so rude to a friend of mine, that he actually told my daughter, straight to her face, not with raising his voice, but firmly, told her she was rude, and don't dare talk to him like that.
Last week, I had a major argument with another friend, and indeed our friendship may be over, because, in part, of my daughters behavior. My friend does not think I am tough enough, and I said I am continually correcting her, I sometimes put her in her room, I sometimes deny privilege's, she is seeing two different therapists for about 5 months now, one provided by the school, the other on the outside. My daughter was rude to my friend, and I told my daughter to apologize, and she did, but with a grudging attitude. So I sent her to her room, and she went in a fit. My friend then told me that my daughter is a brat, that she is very disrespectful and rude to just about everyone, and that I don't do enough. That my daughter does not appreciate all the sacrifices I make and all I do for her.
I told my friend that I generally don't believe in hitting them, and that I also do not want to discipline for every time she acts up, because, to be blunt, then she would be in a almost continual state of being disciplined. I told my friend that I don't want to break her spirit, that my daughter is stubborn and strong willed by just her innate nature, and that I doubt I can change that, and neither do I want to, that I just a loving, civil, functional working relationship in our home. I said that my daughters high intelligence level, she is in the high 140 IQ range, seems to make it tougher, not easier, for me. And obviously, her mom died only 13 months ago, so that is a factor.
So my friend, who was visiting from another state, cut the visit short, and instead of staying 5 days, left after 3 days, the next morning. And my daughter told me she was happy my friend was going, and smiled when she left.
I am at the point, where really, to be transparent, I often do not enjoy her company. I love her of course, but she wearies me with her constant questions that many times are just often designed to get attention, or annoy me. and if this continues as the years roll on, I am expecting a full blown rebellion from my daughter. If she can be insubordinate now, what does the teenage years look like? And I am also concerned that she may one day hurt herself.
I pray for my children, I am raising my daughters as Christians, I read the bible to them almost every day, I am trying to be a good example for them in my life, I take them to church with me every Sunday.
I am really at a loss. I feel like I am just constantly putting out bush fires with my daughter. She can be so very mature at times, but then can often act well below her age level and can over respond to some simple situations just so inappropriately. Yelling and and having fits and blaming me for things that I sometimes have no control over. It has come to the point where I do not even want to have friends over, as I hold my breath thinking what will she do to make them feel unwanted.
 
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Oh my. Sounds like borderline in the family. When my kid who is totally sweet once bad mouthed me I said: You can't do that. God doesn't want that. You should have respect for your parents. If that friend says it's all your fault and you have to be more svere LOL I can understand your daughter was happy that she left. Noone needs a controlling woman.
Father's heart ministry, prayer for inner healing, talk with her about it, just explain that she can't do that. Try some hypergrace, it sometimes works better than the law, but also let her know she really can't do this and she has to repent and have a rebellious demon kicked out, but maybe first do the inner healing stuff, I dunno. If she says you were mean to her mom ask her to forgive you for what you did wrong.
Being too strict only makes someone more rebellious and saying it's all okay too. You need an inner healing ministry maybe where you can both talk things out and ask forgiveness and forgive each other and she needs to learn from the Bible that she can't treat you like that. It opens the door for the devil if kids are rebellious.
Well that's just my thoughts. It's a kid. I saw 2 monstrous kids with Supernanny who were awfully disrespectful and rebellious and Supernanny listened to them and taught the parents how to raise them and they were really totally changed and sweet. Maybe ask help with raising her from a professional too.
 

blue_ladybug

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Send her to boot camp. They'll straighten her butt out real quick. Your daughter IS a brat. She's also a rude, disrespectful, greedy and selfish child. She's obviously been influenced by what her mother and grandma have said to her about you. She acts like SHE is the boss of the house, not you. Her comment about not liking males baffles me. Could something be happening to her, to make her say that?
 
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My wife died about a year ago. She had breast cancer for five years. We had been married for almost 10 years.
We have two girls, one is now seven, the other nine.
The seven year old is very loving, very demonstrative with her feelings, very sensitive. She talks freely about her feelings. She is a pleasure to be around, and easy to raise.
My nine year old is very talkative, very smart, very pragmatic, and is just the opposite of the seven year old, emotionally speaking. She does not like to share her feelings, and is not much of a huger or kisser. She loves to sing, and is very creative in a artistic way, Just about anything she puts her mind to, be it cooking, or sewing, or physical activity, she picks up fairly quickly, and does it well. I wish I had half her talents.
The relationship between my wife and I was rocky for many years, and we argued a lot. My mother-in-law lived with us for about 7 of those 10 years.
My wife often argued, yelled at me, and often put me down in front of the girls. My mother-in-law would straight out tell my now nine year old not to listen to me, and what a bad guy I was, etc.Not to mention she would tell her whole side of the family what a rotten guy I was, usually when she was on the phone, while my daughter was present.
My daughter would openly punch and hit me for years, on a regular basis, besides being rude, not listening much to me, and really just staying away from me. My wife and mother-in-law, while telling her not to do it, would not usually go much beyond a light verbal reprimand.
She has not skipped a beat in school, despite her moms death, and is generally very pragmatic, and responsible, and goes about her daily routines the same now as she did before her mom died. I keep her busy with after school gymnastics, and guitar lessons, things she likes to, and wants to, do. She is a ravenous reader, reading about two 150 to 200 page books a month.
So now here we are, my nine year old, while she has stopped hitting me, and listens to me a lot more then she previously did, still challenges me at a verbal level on a consistent basis. She also has told me that I treated her mom meanly, that she thinks my younger daughter gets to much attention, and that we need a woman in the house. She has told me she does not like males. My older son, 31 years old, from my first marriage has been living with us for about 4 months, and she has made it clear she does not want him there. My mother, and my friends have sometimes been over to visit, and she tells me, and sometimes them, she does not want them there. She antagonizes my son, hits him, and generally is insulting and rude to him. She is sometimes rude to my friends, when they come over, which is actually not that often.
She keeps things bottled up, rarely, if ever mentions her mom, and is a bit high strung.
Just last night she was so rude to a friend of mine, that he actually told my daughter, straight to her face, not with raising his voice, but firmly, told her she was rude, and don't dare talk to him like that.
Last week, I had a major argument with another friend, and indeed our friendship may be over, because, in part, of my daughters behavior. My friend does not think I am tough enough, and I said I am continually correcting her, I sometimes put her in her room, I sometimes deny privilege's, she is seeing two different therapists for about 5 months now, one provided by the school, the other on the outside. My daughter was rude to my friend, and I told my daughter to apologize, and she did, but with a grudging attitude. So I sent her to her room, and she went in a fit. My friend then told me that my daughter is a brat, that she is very disrespectful and rude to just about everyone, and that I don't do enough. That my daughter does not appreciate all the sacrifices I make and all I do for her.
I told my friend that I generally don't believe in hitting them, and that I also do not want to discipline for every time she acts up, because, to be blunt, then she would be in a almost continual state of being disciplined. I told my friend that I don't want to break her spirit, that my daughter is stubborn and strong willed by just her innate nature, and that I doubt I can change that, and neither do I want to, that I just a loving, civil, functional working relationship in our home. I said that my daughters high intelligence level, she is in the high 140 IQ range, seems to make it tougher, not easier, for me. And obviously, her mom died only 13 months ago, so that is a factor.
So my friend, who was visiting from another state, cut the visit short, and instead of staying 5 days, left after 3 days, the next morning. And my daughter told me she was happy my friend was going, and smiled when she left.
I am at the point, where really, to be transparent, I often do not enjoy her company. I love her of course, but she wearies me with her constant questions that many times are just often designed to get attention, or annoy me. and if this continues as the years roll on, I am expecting a full blown rebellion from my daughter. If she can be insubordinate now, what does the teenage years look like? And I am also concerned that she may one day hurt herself.
I pray for my children, I am raising my daughters as Christians, I read the bible to them almost every day, I am trying to be a good example for them in my life, I take them to church with me every Sunday.
I am really at a loss. I feel like I am just constantly putting out bush fires with my daughter. She can be so very mature at times, but then can often act well below her age level and can over respond to some simple situations just so inappropriately. Yelling and and having fits and blaming me for things that I sometimes have no control over. It has come to the point where I do not even want to have friends over, as I hold my breath thinking what will she do to make them feel unwanted.
Why are you waiting for rebellion? You've had it for years. Was she ever not like this?

And, as far as being at a loss, I have to ask, exactly what are you expecting from strangers' advice that you didn't already get from (ex)friends advice? This sounds more like "I want it my way" than asking advice on how to truly deal with this.

You fear if you discipline her for infractions that's all you'll be doing? Is this choice better? She's isolating you and you're letting her.

My parents had four kids. None of us dared be rude to anyone but them, and they didn't let us be rude to them either. We were punished. I'm the stupid child -- dumber than my three brothers on an IQ level. I'm only 119. (Thus killing your theory that she's too smart.) All our personalities are firmly attached and yet, to this day, we still have all the manners set into us -- so much so that my brother's wife got everyone laughing once when the four of us ended up eating on the same side of the table in proper birth order. (Not something we planned, just a matter of available seats left. lol) They laughed because we all were eating with one hand in our lap, unless we were cutting meat. No elbows on the table, (which is funny, since Dad rests his elbow on the table), we know which utensil goes with which serving, and we even wipe our mouths after the meal in the same way and then do the same thing with that napkin.

None of us remember being taught this stuff, (except for which utensils, since having a lavish dinner didn't come along until we were in grade school.) It was instilled in us before our memories. Personalities and IQ's are still firmly attached.

And, don't think it's too late. One of my husband's friends had an ongoing custody battle about kids way after he divorce his wife. When their four kids hit preteen age, they were back in court, because none of his kids wanted to spend time with their sad. (This was new.) The judge listened to each child tell what she/he wanted. When they were done, he looked at the ex and said, "You have successfully trained those kids to hate their father. Now train them back to loving him."

And it was done within two months. Parents can train children, no matter when they start, and children retain personalities. So all this is a huge, "I don't wanna." Tough! Get over it, and you don't need all that counseling for her. You're paying someone to fix her as you break her. It's past time to step up and be Dad.
 
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Oh my. Sounds like borderline in the family. When my kid who is totally sweet once bad mouthed me I said: You can't do that. God doesn't want that. You should have respect for your parents. If that friend says it's all your fault and you have to be more svere LOL I can understand your daughter was happy that she left. Noone needs a controlling woman.
Father's heart ministry, prayer for inner healing, talk with her about it, just explain that she can't do that. Try some hypergrace, it sometimes works better than the law, but also let her know she really can't do this and she has to repent and have a rebellious demon kicked out, but maybe first do the inner healing stuff, I dunno. If she says you were mean to her mom ask her to forgive you for what you did wrong.
Being too strict only makes someone more rebellious and saying it's all okay too. You need an inner healing ministry maybe where you can both talk things out and ask forgiveness and forgive each other and she needs to learn from the Bible that she can't treat you like that. It opens the door for the devil if kids are rebellious.
Well that's just my thoughts. It's a kid. I saw 2 monstrous kids with Supernanny who were awfully disrespectful and rebellious and Supernanny listened to them and taught the parents how to raise them and they were really totally changed and sweet. Maybe ask help with raising her from a professional too.
He has a controlling woman already. She's nine and running the show!
 
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Send her to boot camp. They'll straighten her butt out real quick. Your daughter IS a brat. She's also a rude, disrespectful, greedy and selfish child. She's obviously been influenced by what her mother and grandma have said to her about you. She acts like SHE is the boss of the house, not you. Her comment about not liking males baffles me. Could something be happening to her, to make her say that?
Boot camp just teaches people how to act in front of the people running the boot camp. Unless he becomes the drill sergeant, boot camp won't change anything.
 
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He has a controlling woman already. She's nine and running the show!
Yes. People once came with a boy who beat his mom up to a preacher to ask if he could pray for the poor kid. He couldn't help but beat his mom.
He said: if you do that one time again I'm gonna beat you up so hard.. Lol he said the kid was delivered instantly.
 
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Sending prayers for your family....
I will say though, that I have a high IQ (higher than your daughter's) and had I ever hit either of my parents, or spoke back to them, I would have had my butt kicked from one wall to another. I was spanked, and I not only survived but I thrived. It didn't "hinder my creativity" or "break my spirit" one bit. I grew, became an adult, made adult mistakes, and then learned from those mistakes just like every other person on the planet. I am not saying beat her, but being concerned that her choice will require DISCIPLINE daily.....well duhhhh she's a kid, she should need to be disciplined daily....that's what parenting is....raising disciplined kids......I don't get why discipline is such a bad word now-a-days....it simply means to train. Train your daughter for pete's sake!!
 

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I would put my foot down and say today this is going to stop it is over no more. So you can have a peace of mind. Tell her to let
things go that grudges only hurt yourself. It is a new day. She needs to hear the word preached as well. What about christian camp?
 

JosephsDreams

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Send her to boot camp. They'll straighten her butt out real quick. Your daughter IS a brat. She's also a rude, disrespectful, greedy and selfish child. She's obviously been influenced by what her mother and grandma have said to her about you. She acts like SHE is the boss of the house, not you. Her comment about not liking males baffles me. Could something be happening to her, to make her say that?
She is often rude and disrespectful LB. And she can be selfish at times, but their is a sweet side to her, though I don't see it as much as I would hope for. I know. I am the one living it.
As far as the male comment, her mom and grandma had the same issues with males, so maybe they related it to her, or maybe she just picked up on it, I am not sure.

I am dealing with this through the prism of my own life experiences, as the post said I was a dad before, as my previous wife left me, moved in with another guy, left me with our daughter, and two sons, who were 7, 6, and 5 at the time, and I raised them into adulthood. So I saw what worked and what didn't work.
I also came to realize every child is a individual, and that while there were certain boundaries regardless of their personalities, like hitting their parent was one of them, that one set of parenting fits all is not always the best approach.
Also, my dad was very cold to me, I am the oldest of four children, and was a workaholic. He was a yeller and screamer, and all that did to me was cause resentment to authority, and a people pleaser, and with not a lot of self confidence when I was younger. I felt I was always trying to please my dad, get his love, his approval, trying to do it through my performance, and all I got was criticized, and it took me a long time to understand how this affected me.
Lastly, the bible talks about the rod, I know. It also speaks about erring on the side of love. I just don't like violence. I don't like striking people, much less my children. I would rather work it out through patience and love. But yes, again, I know, there has to nbe a functional atmosphere in the house, it is not good for my younger daughter to see this, and it is not good for me, much less my nine year old to be living with this.
 

JosephsDreams

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Why are you waiting for rebellion? You've had it for years. Was she ever not like this?

And, as far as being at a loss, I have to ask, exactly what are you expecting from strangers' advice that you didn't already get from (ex)friends advice? This sounds more like "I want it my way" than asking advice on how to truly deal with this.

You fear if you discipline her for infractions that's all you'll be doing? Is this choice better? She's isolating you and you're letting her.

My parents had four kids. None of us dared be rude to anyone but them, and they didn't let us be rude to them either. We were punished. I'm the stupid child -- dumber than my three brothers on an IQ level. I'm only 119. (Thus killing your theory that she's too smart.) All our personalities are firmly attached and yet, to this day, we still have all the manners set into us -- so much so that my brother's wife got everyone laughing once when the four of us ended up eating on the same side of the table in proper birth order. (Not something we planned, just a matter of available seats left. lol) They laughed because we all were eating with one hand in our lap, unless we were cutting meat. No elbows on the table, (which is funny, since Dad rests his elbow on the table), we know which utensil goes with which serving, and we even wipe our mouths after the meal in the same way and then do the same thing with that napkin.

None of us remember being taught this stuff, (except for which utensils, since having a lavish dinner didn't come along until we were in grade school.) It was instilled in us before our memories. Personalities and IQ's are still firmly attached.

And, don't think it's too late. One of my husband's friends had an ongoing custody battle about kids way after he divorce his wife. When their four kids hit preteen age, they were back in court, because none of his kids wanted to spend time with their sad. (This was new.) The judge listened to each child tell what she/he wanted. When they were done, he looked at the ex and said, "You have successfully trained those kids to hate their father. Now train them back to loving him."

And it was done within two months. Parents can train children, no matter when they start, and children retain personalities. So all this is a huge, "I don't wanna." Tough! Get over it, and you don't need all that counseling for her. You're paying someone to fix her as you break her. It's past time to step up and be Dad.
LYNN,
I am not doing a poll here. I am not looking to justify the way I am handling this by seeing how many yea votes I can get against the nays.
I said I am genuinely seeking advice. And prayers. Please don't assume otherwise.
I did not say or imply I did not want to discipline her. I said I do discipline her. I said it does not seem to be working the way I hoped, or maybe taking hold as quickly as I hoped it would.
By the way, has not anyone here heard that just about every study shows that better and quicker and healthier results come from a rewards system? But again, don't mistake that last statement as to imply that I do not believe that discipline has not place.
 

JosephsDreams

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You know, one other thing, that just came to my mind.
Which one of you here has not had emotional/psychological issues, be it severe, or minor, due to experiences in your life, or just your inner make up?
What helped you overcome them? The love of Jesus. A loving word from a friend? Or a constant beat down?
How successful are jails in rehabilitation? For that matter, most secular based rehab programs for drug addicts are overwhelmingly a failure.
Conversely, the Christian programs have a success rate of multiples over the secular ones.
I realize adults are not the same as children, but I ma mentioning this because at the core, it is a sickness of the soul.
I can raise a robot, yes. I guess if I did certain things I could change the outward behavior.
But what good is that in the long term? I would just be trading peace today, for heartache tomorrow.
The child has a ton of things bottled up. She has seen so much in her short life.
The chaos of a strained marriage, her mom having cancer, and eventually dying right there in the house, her body being carried out. Her grandmother telling her things that no child should hear regarding their parent, she has known the death of her older brother through suicide, she, and her entire family, were displaced due to hurricane Sandy in 2012, as we were living only eight house from the beach when it hit, her younger sister has profound hearing loss, and she has been a great sister to her in that regard, and she knows, thanks again to my mother-in-laws gossipy spirit, my dad and my siblings are stealing boat loads of money from me, and that we are all in court.
So raising her military style is going to right all that?
 

JosephsDreams

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Sending prayers for your family....
I will say though, that I have a high IQ (higher than your daughter's) and had I ever hit either of my parents, or spoke back to them, I would have had my butt kicked from one wall to another. I was spanked, and I not only survived but I thrived. It didn't "hinder my creativity" or "break my spirit" one bit. I grew, became an adult, made adult mistakes, and then learned from those mistakes just like every other person on the planet. I am not saying beat her, but being concerned that her choice will require DISCIPLINE daily.....well duhhhh she's a kid, she should need to be disciplined daily....that's what parenting is....raising disciplined kids......I don't get why discipline is such a bad word now-a-days....it simply means to train. Train your daughter for pete's sake!!
The prayers mean more to me then if I won the lotto. I am not kidding. Thank you so much.
And yes, I agree, I am trying to strike a balance between discipline, and still letting her know that she is loved.
By no means am I worried her her not liking me. She is my child, not my friend.

I know I said in a earlier post I don't like violence, but that does not mean I am a wimp, or that I am not mentally tough.
No sense in getting into my past, but there was a time, before Jesus, and I am saved for 23 years now, thank God, when I was different.
I just think that physical intimidation is a poor and short term solution to ongoing problems. It is often a blunt instrument when a fine laser is sometimes needed.
 
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You know, one other thing, that just came to my mind.
Which one of you here has not had emotional/psychological issues, be it severe, or minor, due to experiences in your life, or just your inner make up?
What helped you overcome them? The love of Jesus. A loving word from a friend? Or a constant beat down?
How successful are jails in rehabilitation? For that matter, most secular based rehab programs for drug addicts are overwhelmingly a failure.
Conversely, the Christian programs have a success rate of multiples over the secular ones.
I realize adults are not the same as children, but I ma mentioning this because at the core, it is a sickness of the soul.
I can raise a robot, yes. I guess if I did certain things I could change the outward behavior.
But what good is that in the long term? I would just be trading peace today, for heartache tomorrow.
The child has a ton of things bottled up. She has seen so much in her short life.
The chaos of a strained marriage, her mom having cancer, and eventually dying right there in the house, her body being carried out. Her grandmother telling her things that no child should hear regarding their parent, she has known the death of her older brother through suicide, she, and her entire family, were displaced due to hurricane Sandy in 2012, as we were living only eight house from the beach when it hit, her younger sister has profound hearing loss, and she has been a great sister to her in that regard, and she knows, thanks again to my mother-in-laws gossipy spirit, my dad and my siblings are stealing boat loads of money from me, and that we are all in court.
So raising her military style is going to right all that?
No not military style. Supernanny style might help or give you ideas on how not to tolerate certain behavior and set boundaries, but she also needs inner healing and stuff. That whole man hate thing and kicking and screaming is a demon in the family, so yes military style will work. Don't beat her up but do fight that controlling spirit.
 
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The prayers mean more to me then if I won the lotto. I am not kidding. Thank you so much.
And yes, I agree, I am trying to strike a balance between discipline, and still letting her know that she is loved.
By no means am I worried her her not liking me. She is my child, not my friend.

I know I said in a earlier post I don't like violence, but that does not mean I am a wimp, or that I am not mentally tough.
No sense in getting into my past, but there was a time, before Jesus, and I am saved for 23 years now, thank God, when I was different.
I just think that physical intimidation is a poor and short term solution to ongoing problems. It is often a blunt instrument when a fine laser is sometimes needed.
DIscipline doesn't mean intimidation or a beat down....I means to train her. Instead of filling her time with activities which she may enjoy, fill her time with family things, showing her that you are her daddy, and not just some man her mama married. Teach her what respect means. Teach her tact, awareness, SELFLESSNESS and not selfishness, teach her to rely on God by showing her you relying on God. Train her...don't intimidate her. ANd yes, sometimes, at least at first, that will require punishments for poor behavior, but that also has to come with understandings and teaching. You might see the best in her, but no one else can until she learns how to behave in a manner that draws others to her instead of in a manner that pushes everyone away from you. She's manipulating you and your friends. Would you allow someone else to manipulate you like she does? I doubt it, so why are you allowing her to do so? Do you feel guilty towards her for some reason? If so deal with it, and then discipline her.
 

blue_ladybug

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​I believe in discipline, but nowadays some parents think spanking a child means that they can use whatever, to spank them. Be it a belt, a whip, a shoe, etc.. I think for some kids, a few swats on their bare butt does the trick. For others, it only tends to make even more rebellious. I don't think the OP's daughter needs a spanking, but she DOES need to learn discipline. Maybe parent/child counseling would be good for both of them. And I like the christian camp suggestion that someone else mentioned. :)
 

JosephsDreams

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No not military style. Supernanny style might help or give you ideas on how not to tolerate certain behavior and set boundaries, but she also needs inner healing and stuff. That whole man hate thing and kicking and screaming is a demon in the family, so yes military style will work. Don't beat her up but do fight that controlling spirit.
I agree. There is a generational curse going on. There is a bad spirit here. It goes beyond the external influences. I am going to pray, and think about it, After reading these posts, I am leaning toward a stricter upbringing with her. She has improved, but she can do better. It is ridiculous that I can not bring friends around her. While she has some leeway because she is a child, She has to no their are strict boundaries with certain things. It seems that if you give her an inch, she will take a mile, as a lot of children will.
I think a big mistake a lot of parents make is that while they may discipline appropriately, they do it from a stance of ego and control, and convenience and comfort, rather then love, and kids are smart, they sense it, and in the big picture, it does as much harm as good.
 
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popeye

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One BIG OBSTACLE IS COMPETITION.

We raise our children in competition with their peers,and school,and a myriad of inputs both spiritual and moral.

The best answer I have ,and it is only a theory,is a wilderness location,for about a week/month,several butt warmings,and a pact,or covenant with the child before returning to civilization.

That pact would have some kind of "teeth" in it to use,inevitably,later on.

Children have too many options. Too many back doors.

If a person/child has no honor,they have nothing.
The prisons are full of those w/o honor.
 
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popeye

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Go to a small town and note the behavior of the youth.

It is markedly better ,most of the time,than of city folks.

One step further; Go to a horse stable,where folks rent a stall,and observe a refreshing atmosphere among the youth.

Get her a horse maybe? LOL