A believer is not sinless., A believer is guiltless...

[eternally-gratefull]

'Grace' believers. You figure out who they are.

Sorry I don't play this game anymore of 'grace' believers saying this or that, and then later claiming that they didn't say this or that. Constant redefinitions and shape-shifting is their modus operandi.

We know what they believe, and it just gets better every day. They can't hide anymore.

see I rest my case again, HRFTD is against the gospel of grace..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those who label as legalists any who teach as Jesus did regarding following commandments.

No one is doing that,

Name one.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This from a guy who provides a link in his sig to a site that promotes the teachings of a known heretic, and who is now promoting Pelagianism which has been condemned as heresy by both RCC and Protestants alike. The irony of it is palpable.

Oh my goodness! Johnny-one-liner is at it again, and he must be really riled up to type a sentence longer than 10 words, and ... GASP! ... type TWO sentences!

When are you going to dig into the link that you dug up and support all of your accusations about the heretic? I'd like to know what the problem is. And FWIW, I don't agree with or follow Pelagianism.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

and as long as you keep preaching works, and against grace, we will keep standing for truth.

What works do I preach?

 

[Magenta]

did you enjoy that?
I mean apart from the fact it is not true
ok...back on ignore then

If it were not true I would not say it. I posted some of the slander. Too bad you ignore truth.

 

[Grace777x70]

The law written on our hearts which the New Covenant in Christ brings to us are:

1) the law of love 2) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus 3) the perfect law of liberty

The law written on our hearts is Jesus..we have His Spirit inside of us...we are one with the Lord..we have His mind ...


Here is a great resource to look at the laws written on our hearts...sometimes I get a more from the comments at the bottom of the article....

Search Results written on our hearts – Escape to Reality

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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I don't know what your point is. GOD doesn't write covenants on peoples' hearts. The spirit of GOD is not a covenant. Nor is a covenant law.

Think again....

2 Corinthians 3:3-18[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."

Hebrews 8:6-13
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Magenta]

No one is doing that,
Name one.

Should I start keeping a list for you? Gosh, are you really that oblivious? And did you see where I was called a legalist for just putting likes on a particular person's post? It does not take much for some to slap that label on others. Are they slap happy? How many times was Jason called a legalist? Or Kenneth? The word gets thrown around like it is going out of style, and then those that do it pretend they don't.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I was called a legalist for putting "likes" on a particular person's posts LOLOLOL

Forgive their legalism.

 

[coby]

see, I rest my case.. HRFTD demands works to be saved..

It is far different to say a child of God WILL WORK because God changed him, and must work, like HRFTD and others preach.

You can still become lazy. Then you must work.
God showed Lester Sumrall thousands of people falling in hell. He said: This will happen if you won't preach.
Dunno but it sounds a bit like you must to me.

*Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;*13*for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for*His*good pleasure.

 

[Grace777x70]

I love these scriptures below about the commands of Jesus for us New Covenant believers. John tells us exactly what they are.

1 John 4:15-17 (NASB)

[SUP]15[/SUP]Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.


1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)

[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[ember]

If it were not true I would not say it. I posted some of the slander. Too bad you ignore truth.

now you see, what you are doing is called BAITING

by posting that I ignore truth, you are inviting me to have a quarrel with you

I am not ignoring truth

I am however ignoring you and have been for some months now

I think it best I continue but you just jab away...which is why I have you ignore

 

[ladylynn]

The no condemnation belongs to those who are no longer in the flesh, or no longer walking in the lusts of the flesh, or no longer living in sin, which is the works of the flesh.

Those who defend ongoing sin do so because they are still in the flesh, and unable to cease from sin because they are not yet truly born again of the Spirit. So they speak of what they know naturally, and of what they see in themselves, but it is not according to the whole Truth of being truly set free from sin.

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

When you are born again of the Spirit you are no longer in the flesh.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

People say as long as we are in the flesh we shall sin, which is true, that's why you must be born again of the Spirit and given a new nature in Christ. If you are truly born again of the Spirit you are no longer in the flesh, which speaks to the nature and spirit working in the world and in mankind.

Jesus said that which is born of flesh is flesh, but that which is born of Spirit is spirit. When you are truly born again of the Spirit, the old fleshy nature and body of sin dies, and so by Christ's own death and resurrection from the dead you are also then set free from the power and bondage that sin and death once had over you by way of the law of sin and death.

You can truly be set free from sin if you would only believe what Jesus and the apostles say is true. To deny this very truth, is not of faith in Christ.

What you are saying here is a pivotal point where all sincere Christians eventually find themselves. They see like Paul did what a utter wretch he was not long after he received the gift Jesus died to secure for him. How could he actually find within himself an ability to sin!? After being soooo joyous in salvation., accepting Jesus gift of eternal life and basking in the love of God walking in the JOY of his salvation!?

This is where Paul shows us how to live with the reality of working out our own salvation with fear and trembling. (not working FOR but working OUT) He began learning what it means to be working out of his flesh what Jesus had put IN when he received a new nature and was born again. Romans 7 goes into great detail about his struggles.

On the one hand he knows he IS a new creation. On the other hand he sees something else working in his "members' as the KJ puts it. He has lived in his flesh all his life like we have. We learned to breath, think, walk, talk do all things through the flesh. Now we have a new nature that is motivated by the Holy Spirit and our new righteous born again spirit.

When we read Romans 7 we see his struggle and frustration. He is a man lead of the Holy Spirit so he is able to describe his inner struggles really well without being confused and ship wrecked. His conclusion that while he endorses and delights in the law of God in his inner most being his new nature., he is not all 100% there like he longs to be. Read Romans 7:22-23

His conclusion is in vs.24 O unhappy and pitiable and wretched man that I am!! Who will release and deliver me from the shackles of this body of death?!!!!
O THANK GOD! HE will through Jesus Christ the Anointed One our Lord!

That is the provision., in vs.25 Jesus righteousness given to Paul, he realized - he indeed - of himself with the mind and heart, serve the law of God. (Paul identifies who he is in truth - a SON by his new mind and heart will follow and serve God. But he sees his flesh will serve the law of sin.

He goes on to tell the major truth he needed and God knows we need so He had Paul write it in here so clearly... of Romans 8:1 There is NOW no condemnation no adjudging guilty of wrong for those who are IN Christ Jesus. END OF SENTENCE.

Although the King James version is wonderful., they added that sentence (who live and walk not after the dictates of the flesh but after the dictates of the Spirit) That is not there in the original manuscripts and you will read in the NAS and other Bibles and it is even explained that that sentence was added in. So amazing is the idea that grace would extend NO condemnation to those who are are IN Christ. Born again, made a new. Placed IN righteous standing with God through Jesus Christ.

 

[Magenta]

What you are saying here is a pivotal point where all sincere Christians eventually find themselves. They see like Paul did what a utter wretch he was not long after he received the gift Jesus died to secure for him. How could he actually find within himself an ability to sin!?

What he found was an inability to stop sinning.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What works do I preach?

1. You teach salvation can be lost ,meaning it must be earned.
2. You teach against grace you been doing it in here all day
3. You teach water baptism for forgiveness of sin, there is a huge work..

 

[FreeNChrist]

Oh my goodness! Johnny-one-liner is at it again, and he must be really riled up to type a sentence longer than 10 words, and ... GASP! ... type TWO sentences!

When are you going to dig into the link that you dug up and support all of your accusations about the heretic? I'd like to know what the problem is. And FWIW, I don't agree with or follow Pelagianism.

I already have Sparky. And promoting Pelagius is promoting Pelagianism.

 

[popeye]

who is sparky?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

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I don't know what your point is. GOD doesn't write covenants on peoples' hearts. The spirit of GOD is not a covenant. Nor is a covenant law.

It's the testimony of Jesus Christ God writes upon our hearts/minds by way the Holy Spirit, that is what is sealed in our foreheads by the Spirit.
Revelation 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:4
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Isaiah 8:16
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

John 3:33
He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

 

[hornetguy]

1. You teach salvation can be lost ,meaning it must be earned.
2. You teach against grace you been doing it in here all day
3. You teach water baptism for forgiveness of sin, there is a huge work..

Water baptism is not a "work". It is a believer's natural response to salvation... his outward sign that he has accepted the free gift, and is fulfilling his part of the covenant... just as Abraham did when he was circumcised. Same principle.
It's not a "work".

 

[coby]

1. You teach salvation can be lost ,meaning it must be earned.
2. You teach against grace you been doing it in here all day
3. You teach water baptism for forgiveness of sin, there is a huge work..

The Bible says that too that salvation can be lost. Why else would God warn us?

Bible passages opposing permanent salvation