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How strange it is when those who call themselves christians say they need to do nothing but believe, when Jesus said this:
Matthew 10:37-38 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [SUP]38 [/SUP]And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:37-38 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [SUP]38 [/SUP]And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
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Galatians 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c]*fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,*20*idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,*21*envy, murders,[d]drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told*you*in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22*But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,*23*gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.*24*And those who are*Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.*25*If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c]*fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,*20*idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,*21*envy, murders,[d]drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told*you*in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22*But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,*23*gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.*24*And those who are*Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.*25*If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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Another text then, 1 John 2:
The Test of Knowing Him
3*Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.*4*He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.*5*But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.*6*He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
7*Brethren,[a]*I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning.*8*Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.
9*He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now.*10*He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him.*11*But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
The one who murders is in hate and thus not a believer although he may believe in Christ. Only if he repents in time like the murderer at the cross he can get saved and go to heaven.
Btw one does not simply murder someone. You must be quite posessed if you do that, like that guy in prison who got saved. He doesn't go on killing.
The Test of Knowing Him
3*Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.*4*He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.*5*But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.*6*He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
7*Brethren,[a]*I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning.*8*Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.
9*He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now.*10*He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him.*11*But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
The one who murders is in hate and thus not a believer although he may believe in Christ. Only if he repents in time like the murderer at the cross he can get saved and go to heaven.
Btw one does not simply murder someone. You must be quite posessed if you do that, like that guy in prison who got saved. He doesn't go on killing.
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So, if outbursts of anger is a work of the flesh and it is..
.let's say someone gets mad at their spouse with an outburst of anger...they die in a car accident an hour later...that means they don't go to heaven and lose salvation? ( you could use this scenario for any number of the things listen in Gal 5:19-21 )
If the above is true that we don't go to heaven because of the work of the flesh.....most people will not be going. Just apply jealousy , contentions, dissensions and selfish ambitions into the mix and see where it puts people.
Is it possible that "inherit the kingdom of God" could mean experiencing the effects of the kingdom that is available to us in this life...and not just going to heaven?
.let's say someone gets mad at their spouse with an outburst of anger...they die in a car accident an hour later...that means they don't go to heaven and lose salvation? ( you could use this scenario for any number of the things listen in Gal 5:19-21 )
If the above is true that we don't go to heaven because of the work of the flesh.....most people will not be going. Just apply jealousy , contentions, dissensions and selfish ambitions into the mix and see where it puts people.
Is it possible that "inherit the kingdom of God" could mean experiencing the effects of the kingdom that is available to us in this life...and not just going to heaven?
I don't remember anybody saying that..... but you. I don't think putting words in people's mouths means quite the same thing, really. 
Jesus said we were to take up our cross & follow Him. How do you follow Jesus..... by thinking about it? Now, think about this:
Luke 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]"Therefore bear fruits in keeping with repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
Luke 3:8 (NLT)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God. Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones.
Luke 3:8 (TEV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Do those things that will show that you have turned from your sins. And don't start saying among yourselves that Abraham is your ancestor. I tell you that God can take these rocks and make descendants for Abraham!
My, now that's gonna require some "doing" , won't it? Waiting for your next misinterpretation or misquote.....
Jesus said we were to take up our cross & follow Him. How do you follow Jesus..... by thinking about it? Now, think about this:
Luke 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]"Therefore bear fruits in keeping with repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
Luke 3:8 (NLT)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God. Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones.
Luke 3:8 (TEV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Do those things that will show that you have turned from your sins. And don't start saying among yourselves that Abraham is your ancestor. I tell you that God can take these rocks and make descendants for Abraham!
My, now that's gonna require some "doing" , won't it? Waiting for your next misinterpretation or misquote.....
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This is logical besides being true
You just have to take a look at how God PROVIDED a sacrifice for Abraham...skipping examples inbetween, head on over to the NT and God provides the ULTIMATE .. or final..sacrifice
The OT law did not provide for that...the sacrifice had to be provided by the ...I wanna say penitent but then someone will say I'm Catholic lol!...person seeking forgiveness. It was an exchange.
Skipping alot of details, moving right along, God provides illustrations for His actual plan, that lead up to God being the provider of the sacrifice for the sinner. He determines the punishment...death...erects the instrument of death and nails HIS sacrifice to it and brings Him back on the third day.
That sacrifice, is for whosoever will and is ETERNAL.
Cannot be changed, does not need to be changed and is all sufficient.
lead a horse to water I guess...and having had a number of them, you really cannot make them drink
You just have to take a look at how God PROVIDED a sacrifice for Abraham...skipping examples inbetween, head on over to the NT and God provides the ULTIMATE .. or final..sacrifice
The OT law did not provide for that...the sacrifice had to be provided by the ...I wanna say penitent but then someone will say I'm Catholic lol!...person seeking forgiveness. It was an exchange.
Skipping alot of details, moving right along, God provides illustrations for His actual plan, that lead up to God being the provider of the sacrifice for the sinner. He determines the punishment...death...erects the instrument of death and nails HIS sacrifice to it and brings Him back on the third day.
That sacrifice, is for whosoever will and is ETERNAL.
Cannot be changed, does not need to be changed and is all sufficient.
lead a horse to water I guess...and having had a number of them, you really cannot make them drink
Oh..forgot to add..the word "practice" is not in the Greek text...it is just in the present tense and it simply means "doing" ( it says nothing of how many times one does it..it's the fact that it is being done now in the present tense )..so any of the scenarios would apply as they would be in the present tense.
Food for pondering things.....sometimes we "read into" scripture....especially if that is what we heard in our religious upbringing and sermons...just sayin'.......
Food for pondering things.....sometimes we "read into" scripture....especially if that is what we heard in our religious upbringing and sermons...just sayin'....
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That is an easy one...it is John the Baptist telling the Pharisees to show the fruit of their changed minds ( repentance ) by getting baptized to show that they have stopped relying on their own self-righteousness and that they did in fact have sin and are in need of a Savior just like the rest of the people then.
After the cross we believe in the finished work of Christ by faith in His grace..that is true repentance for the New Covenant believer.
After the cross we believe in the finished work of Christ by faith in His grace..that is true repentance for the New Covenant believer.
I don't remember anybody saying that..... but you. I don't think putting words in people's mouths means quite the same thing, really.
Jesus said we were to take up our cross & follow Him. How do you follow Jesus..... by thinking about it? Now, think about this:
Luke 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]"Therefore bear fruits in keeping with repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
Jesus said we were to take up our cross & follow Him. How do you follow Jesus..... by thinking about it? Now, think about this:
Luke 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]"Therefore bear fruits in keeping with repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
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reading through posts again, I am starting to think that people wish to be punished for their sins as a good dose of religion requires it
I am sure anthropologists would have a field day with that one and be in complete agreement
Translation: I have been bad. Very bad and I need to be punished. I knew better and I did 'it' anyway. Now, I need a good whooping.
I know God hates sin. Therefore, God now hates me. That, means I am separated from God. I must repent (in the modern sense, not the biblical one). The fact that I even know I have sinned or that I am sorry for it, is only because I am still able to receive God awareness into my spirit, which, if I thought about it, would indicate I am NOT, in fact, separated from Him.
The ONLY way I can still approach God is because He still draws me...unless I believe, mistakenly, that I have free will in the sense that God employs human beings much like Old MacDonald employed all his animals and justs let them go around making noise.
hee haw (humor intended but still true)
ps: God does expect us to 'go and sin no more' but the door is still open. You won't know when the door is closed because you won't even try to turn the handle. Forgive the metaphors. I describe how I see it sometimes.
reading through posts again, I am starting to think that people wish to be punished for their sins as a good dose of religion requires it
I am sure anthropologists would have a field day with that one and be in complete agreement
Translation: I have been bad. Very bad and I need to be punished. I knew better and I did 'it' anyway. Now, I need a good whooping.
I know God hates sin. Therefore, God now hates me. That, means I am separated from God. I must repent (in the modern sense, not the biblical one). The fact that I even know I have sinned or that I am sorry for it, is only because I am still able to receive God awareness into my spirit, which, if I thought about it, would indicate I am NOT, in fact, separated from Him.
The ONLY way I can still approach God is because He still draws me...unless I believe, mistakenly, that I have free will in the sense that God employs human beings much like Old MacDonald employed all his animals and justs let them go around making noise.
hee haw (humor intended but still true)
ps: God does expect us to 'go and sin no more' but the door is still open. You won't know when the door is closed because you won't even try to turn the handle. Forgive the metaphors. I describe how I see it sometimes.