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I agree that if we live by the law of love which is inside us because we are a new creation in Christ then we will have fewer manifestations of any works of the flesh. It's not a matter of Being Safe"...we are safe in Christ now because of His finished work...not based on our "performance".
But just take any of those jealousy , contentions, dissensions and selfish ambitions mentioned and apply them to us....think about the above....these are very common and sometimes "unseen" like the "biggie sins"
But just take any of those jealousy , contentions, dissensions and selfish ambitions mentioned and apply them to us....think about the above....these are very common and sometimes "unseen" like the "biggie sins"
'Tay..... let's take baby steps..... how again do we "prove" we believe/have faith? By thinking about it?
James 2:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
This is our best way to witness:
James 2:18 (NLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
James 2:18 (NRSV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.
James 2:18 (TEV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But someone will say, "One person has faith, another has actions." My answer is, "Show me how anyone can have faith without actions. I will show you my faith by my actions."
This is our only way to witness we're God's servants, when we show our faith thru our good works.
Matthew 5:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 5:16 (NRSV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.
Matthew 5:16 (TEV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the same way your light must shine before people, so that they will see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.
Try again.....
James 2:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
This is our best way to witness:
James 2:18 (NLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
James 2:18 (NRSV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.
James 2:18 (TEV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But someone will say, "One person has faith, another has actions." My answer is, "Show me how anyone can have faith without actions. I will show you my faith by my actions."
This is our only way to witness we're God's servants, when we show our faith thru our good works.
Matthew 5:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 5:16 (NRSV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.
Matthew 5:16 (TEV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the same way your light must shine before people, so that they will see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.
Try again.....
okie dokie...there is only this one in all of Paul's epistles for the word "repent".....and it looks like Paul "changed his mind"..which is exactly what the greek word metanoia means. It would have been used in everyday talk back in Paul's day like this..
" I was going to go to the synagogue but I changed my mind ( metanoia - repented ) and went to the market instead "
Going to the market is the fruit of the person here that did repent ( changed his mind )
2 Corinthians 7:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
( there are great verses about "repentance" like...the gifts and calling of God are without repentance - which means God is not going to change His mind about the gifts and the calling He gives )
" I was going to go to the synagogue but I changed my mind ( metanoia - repented ) and went to the market instead "
Going to the market is the fruit of the person here that did repent ( changed his mind )
2 Corinthians 7:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
( there are great verses about "repentance" like...the gifts and calling of God are without repentance - which means God is not going to change His mind about the gifts and the calling He gives )
You steered around so many..... here we go:
Acts 8:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
[HR][/HR]Acts 17:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
[HR][/HR]Acts 26:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
[HR][/HR]Romans 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
[HR][/HR]2 Corinthians 7:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
[HR][/HR]2 Corinthians 7:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
[HR][/HR]2 Corinthians 12:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
[HR][/HR]2 Timothy 2:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[HR][/HR]One of my favorites:
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [SUP]6[/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[HR][/HR]Hebrews 12:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
[HR][/HR]2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 9:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
[HR][/HR]Revelation 9:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 16:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 16:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
This was just a lazy, quick search..... you couldn't find these because..... WHY? I think our readers can figure that one out.
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Sin is that which separates us from God. It is when we are "missing the mark" especially in Hebrew. So yes, drinking to the point of death is a sin. It meant you were turned away from God. That is the biggest sin - turning away from God. Because when you are drunk and in a coma, you cannot hear the voice of God, you cannot obey it.
Yet to me, it sounds like you were really trying to commit suicide. You were hopeless, did whatever you felt like, because there was no purpose to anything. I'm sure you thought you would welcome death. Because alcohol abuse of the magnitude of what you went through is self medicating. How do I know? Because I did it so many times before I was saved, it almost killed me, too!
So yes, I did give up alcohol forever when God saved me. Because the Holy Spirit just ripped that desire/need out of my heart. No AA, no counselling, just the power of the Holy Spirit my life, and giving me the ability to obey God in this area.
Does that make me better than you? Does it make me more saved? NEVER!!
Because I went on to find all kinds of new sin that God had to help me to overcome. Some of the things I didn't even know we're sin, like losing your temper. That has been a work in progress!
So I ask you, did God leave me when I lost my temper? Did he say, "Oh, oh, she isn't acting like a Christian should, so I'm cutting her loose." NEVER!!
Instead, God convicted my heart. He took me deeper into the Word. He showed me how to pray more effectively, and to connect with him. He showed me that I had to step up my obedience in more than one area, with the power of the Holy Spirit.
I've testified before how when I got severely depressed because of my excruciating Rheumatoid Arthritis, I turned away from God for 2 long years. Did God look down from his throne and say, "Oops, I shouldn't have saved her. She is not my child. She doesn't even pay attention to me! (calls out loud- ) St. Peter, take Angela's name out of the Book of Life, AGAIN! Sigh"
What a silly theology! That makes our works, good and bad, the basis of our salvation. That makes salvation all about us, instead of what Jesus did on the cross. His finished work on Calvary. That is the basis of salvation.
We can be secure in Jesus Christ. We only are saved once. True, we need to repent. We need to follow God. We need to do more than just follow Christ, we need to make him the centre of everything we do.
So Phil, I don't know whether you were truly saved before you hit bottom. But if you were, I am totally convinced that Jesus would never leave or forsake you, because his word promises that!
"I will never leave you or forsake you." Hebrews 13:5b
We all stumble and sin. And hopefully, we all allow the Holy Spirit to pick us off and get us back on the path. The narrow road that leads to God. I know by reading your posts here, you are horrified and embarrassed by what you did when you were drinking. But is it the worst possible sin? Not at all!
All sins are evil, all sin is from the devil. But I trust God, that even when sin has a grip on me, Jesus has a tighter grip. I trust that in all those black periods of life, all those days when we make wrong choices, and in all those nights when we call out to God, and wonder if he is there, he is doing a work in our hearts and lives.
I am not your judge. I am not going to put you in hell during those days of drunken brokenness. God is the judge, but his mercy is everlasting. He forgives 7 X 777 times.
"Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times." Matt. 18:21-22
"For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations." Psalm 100:5
Yet to me, it sounds like you were really trying to commit suicide. You were hopeless, did whatever you felt like, because there was no purpose to anything. I'm sure you thought you would welcome death. Because alcohol abuse of the magnitude of what you went through is self medicating. How do I know? Because I did it so many times before I was saved, it almost killed me, too!
So yes, I did give up alcohol forever when God saved me. Because the Holy Spirit just ripped that desire/need out of my heart. No AA, no counselling, just the power of the Holy Spirit my life, and giving me the ability to obey God in this area.
Does that make me better than you? Does it make me more saved? NEVER!!
Because I went on to find all kinds of new sin that God had to help me to overcome. Some of the things I didn't even know we're sin, like losing your temper. That has been a work in progress!
So I ask you, did God leave me when I lost my temper? Did he say, "Oh, oh, she isn't acting like a Christian should, so I'm cutting her loose." NEVER!!
Instead, God convicted my heart. He took me deeper into the Word. He showed me how to pray more effectively, and to connect with him. He showed me that I had to step up my obedience in more than one area, with the power of the Holy Spirit.
I've testified before how when I got severely depressed because of my excruciating Rheumatoid Arthritis, I turned away from God for 2 long years. Did God look down from his throne and say, "Oops, I shouldn't have saved her. She is not my child. She doesn't even pay attention to me! (calls out loud- ) St. Peter, take Angela's name out of the Book of Life, AGAIN! Sigh"
What a silly theology! That makes our works, good and bad, the basis of our salvation. That makes salvation all about us, instead of what Jesus did on the cross. His finished work on Calvary. That is the basis of salvation.
We can be secure in Jesus Christ. We only are saved once. True, we need to repent. We need to follow God. We need to do more than just follow Christ, we need to make him the centre of everything we do.
So Phil, I don't know whether you were truly saved before you hit bottom. But if you were, I am totally convinced that Jesus would never leave or forsake you, because his word promises that!
"I will never leave you or forsake you." Hebrews 13:5b
We all stumble and sin. And hopefully, we all allow the Holy Spirit to pick us off and get us back on the path. The narrow road that leads to God. I know by reading your posts here, you are horrified and embarrassed by what you did when you were drinking. But is it the worst possible sin? Not at all!
All sins are evil, all sin is from the devil. But I trust God, that even when sin has a grip on me, Jesus has a tighter grip. I trust that in all those black periods of life, all those days when we make wrong choices, and in all those nights when we call out to God, and wonder if he is there, he is doing a work in our hearts and lives.
I am not your judge. I am not going to put you in hell during those days of drunken brokenness. God is the judge, but his mercy is everlasting. He forgives 7 X 777 times.
"Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times." Matt. 18:21-22
"For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations." Psalm 100:5
You asked to check on the epistles for the word "repent"...so I obliged you....you didn't ask me to post every other word related to "repent".....but all the "other words" are great and they all mean the same thing.."change your mind"..great scriptures...
Which is why I put this in my post.. ( there are great verses about "repentance" like...the gifts and calling of God are without repentance - which means God is not going to change His mind about the gifts and the calling He gives )
Originally Posted by Stephen63
I'll tell you what's easy..... pasting every verse using the word "repent" written in the epistles..... Why don't you post that so I don't have to?
Which is why I put this in my post.. ( there are great verses about "repentance" like...the gifts and calling of God are without repentance - which means God is not going to change His mind about the gifts and the calling He gives )
I'll tell you what's easy..... pasting every verse using the word "repent" written in the epistles..... Why don't you post that so I don't have to?
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Opps..forgot to mention that I said in my original post I checked Paul's epistles...
You asked to check on the epistles for the word "repent"...so I obliged you....you didn't ask me to post every other word related to "repent".....but all the "other words" are great and they all mean the same thing.."change your mind"..great scriptures...
Which is why I put this in my post.. ( there are great verses about "repentance" like...the gifts and calling of God are without repentance - which means God is not going to change His mind about the gifts and the calling He gives )
Originally Posted by Stephen63
I'll tell you what's easy..... pasting every verse using the word "repent" written in the epistles..... Why don't you post that so I don't have to?
Which is why I put this in my post.. ( there are great verses about "repentance" like...the gifts and calling of God are without repentance - which means God is not going to change His mind about the gifts and the calling He gives )
I'll tell you what's easy..... pasting every verse using the word "repent" written in the epistles..... Why don't you post that so I don't have to?
Of course we need to repent...I repent ( change my mind ) every time I see something about the Lord Jesus that I never saw before. Every time the Holy Spirit reveals something to me..I change my thinking to agree with what He says...It's God that grants us repentance...it's a wonderful life of repentance ( to change our minds ). It's a great blessing from the Lord! Praise God!
This shows a complete and total lack of understand of gender as used in many languages today, and in the past, like Hebrew and Greek. Gender in a word is something that happened or was acquired over time. It is NOT to say that some inanimate object is masculine or feminine.
Take the word "Arche." It means "beginning" and "ruler." It's gender is feminine. Does that mean all rulers are feminine? That they must be "female"? Of course not. But you do need to know the gender so it agrees with the verb and any adjectives, and to put the correct ending on it depending upon which case it is in.
Glossia is also feminine. That does not make all languages and tongues feminine. The sun (elios) is masculine in gender.That does not make it a manly thing! Death (Thanatos) is masculine, but it does not make that state masculine any more than an animal (therion) is neuter. Animals tend to be male or female, in my experience.
Finally, a really good example is a child or infant - paidion. It is neuter. Does that make all small children neutral? Of course, not.
To call the Holy Spirit an "it" is really an insult to God. God should be addressed as masculine, because in most places in Scripture, that is how he is addressed. I can't think of one example in the Word where God is addressed as "it."
"ὁ δὲ παράκλητος, τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον" Ho de paraklatos, to pneuma to agion" John 14:26
In this passage, the Holy Spirit is in the neuter tense, however, another complementary noun, or a noun in apposition, the Paraclete, is masculine. The two terms help one another, and are the same thing, although the gender is different. That is because gender doesn't make the object, person or idea masculine, feminine or neuter. It just is used to as a convention, and for grammatical rules.
Anyone who believes that the gender is an attribute of the noun, is probably gnostic, imparting things to objects and people that do not exist in reality.
By the way HeRose. I've been reading the Greek you have been posting. The Greek and the comments have been fine. But the transliterations and pronunciations have been just totally wrong. I do hope you are not using that to speak Greek. You would be better off getting into some kind of course, and learning things like the pronunciation and that gender does not have attributed qualities.
You're just desperate to find some fault in me. Too bad. The beauty of his translation is that it completely does away with translating one's theology into the translation. Unlike every other bible translation that uses different English words numerous times for the same Greek word, he strove to translate each Greek word with only one English word based on its elements. That left no room for him to conform the translation to his theology.
I think there is a reality. Those who are called are saved to eternity. In this world there are many who may appear to know the Lord and do not, and those who seem to waver but know reality deeper than we imagine.
I have been called an unbeliever because I do not with OSAS, and have a religious spirit because I believe in morality.
I sincerely wonder how people who appear to walk in Jesus, yet end up in heresy.
My conclusion is simple. It is easy on the outside to follow your understanding yet in your heart be doing something ery different. We are called to follow Jesus, have faith in Him and be obedient.
Do this and you will find life. And if you really find life, as Jesus preached, would you ever walk away?
So I wonder how many know of this maturity, where their inside attitude reflects what they show on the outside, or as Jesus would say, clean on the inside and the outside.
I am more concerned that people discover the reality of love, that they are loved, that the hurts and pains are healed and resolved, which appears to be only for a few, rather than disputing about which version of one view of salvation is better than another. If we all shared honestly about our struggles, our walk, our victories, I am sure we would find what we do easier and be uplifted better.
"But no, you legalist, repent, even though I do not believe in repentance, just changing your mind, because all sin is actually forgiven, and walking with Jesus is just living a normal life and nothing special."
I have been called an unbeliever because I do not with OSAS, and have a religious spirit because I believe in morality.
I sincerely wonder how people who appear to walk in Jesus, yet end up in heresy.
My conclusion is simple. It is easy on the outside to follow your understanding yet in your heart be doing something ery different. We are called to follow Jesus, have faith in Him and be obedient.
Do this and you will find life. And if you really find life, as Jesus preached, would you ever walk away?
So I wonder how many know of this maturity, where their inside attitude reflects what they show on the outside, or as Jesus would say, clean on the inside and the outside.
I am more concerned that people discover the reality of love, that they are loved, that the hurts and pains are healed and resolved, which appears to be only for a few, rather than disputing about which version of one view of salvation is better than another. If we all shared honestly about our struggles, our walk, our victories, I am sure we would find what we do easier and be uplifted better.
"But no, you legalist, repent, even though I do not believe in repentance, just changing your mind, because all sin is actually forgiven, and walking with Jesus is just living a normal life and nothing special."
It was a simplistic comment. My point was that there's nothing in the word that requires it to be masculine.
GOD tells me he has no problem with it. I don't agree that the holy spirit is masculine. IMO it has no gender. It's the spirit of truth. Based on the witness of scripture I have a far stronger case than those who insist that the spirit is male. Far stronger. I think the imperative in Christianity to call the holy spirit a male derived as a defensive response against the gnostics who said it was female. IMO that's all there is to this issue.
Those things are Strong's copy pastes from my software. I only use those for quick reference and copy/paste. I have many other lexicons. Strong's can be misleading at times. So don't worry, I'm not using those things for pronunciations. In fact, I don't even look at the transliterations. I just read the Greek. I'd prefer to not even include them, but it's too much trouble to strip out.
btw, thanks for the feedback to let me know that I'm not out in right field. Coming from you that means a lot to me.
GOD tells me he has no problem with it. I don't agree that the holy spirit is masculine. IMO it has no gender. It's the spirit of truth. Based on the witness of scripture I have a far stronger case than those who insist that the spirit is male. Far stronger. I think the imperative in Christianity to call the holy spirit a male derived as a defensive response against the gnostics who said it was female. IMO that's all there is to this issue.
Those things are Strong's copy pastes from my software. I only use those for quick reference and copy/paste. I have many other lexicons. Strong's can be misleading at times. So don't worry, I'm not using those things for pronunciations. In fact, I don't even look at the transliterations. I just read the Greek. I'd prefer to not even include them, but it's too much trouble to strip out.
btw, thanks for the feedback to let me know that I'm not out in right field. Coming from you that means a lot to me.
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