Faith is our righteousness - Christ is our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins

[eternally-gratefull]

Originally Posted by PeterJens

John is talking about people who deny that Christ came in the flesh etc. Not all heresies or problems come in this way.



No he is talking about those who deny Christ period..
You sure know how to take a passage of scripture and screw it up..
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ.
1 John 2:22
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
1 John 2:23
Now there are other heresies out there that just saying Jesus is not the Christ. For instance saying we are equally the same as christ, is another heresy. And we can take Christ and emphasis the miraculous and leave out heart transformation through discipleship. But your tenor is very dismissive and closed minded. It also ends with the declaration I am screwing up scripture. That is just an opinion, but I suppose that is all you have.

This is just a man way to ignore the passage, and twist it to fit his own belief.

Anti-Christ means AGAINT - CHRIST. Jesus said, whoever is not for me is against me.. If you deny the son, you deny the father..

Anyone who leaves the church , and now denys christ, according to john has never been a true part of the church. PERIOD.. It does not matter if they once professed him or not.. If they leave, and now deny, THEY WERE NEVER SAVED.

Stop trying to add, subtract, or change the word of God.

EG for instance condemns his fathers church and all the people there, me and many others who I would call believers.


No, I condemn no one, I condemn the gospel of works..
How many times do you have to be told that.
You continually tell me I am a legalist, trying to earn my salvation, and not saved. I would call that condemnation in the extreme. Telling a christian he is going to hell because he does not accept OSAS, is condemnation. Saying it is sin and needs to repent of, is standing in for God. But somehow this seems to pass you by and your readers. Must be judgementalism is part of this version of christianity.

I said, if you follow your gospel you will not be saved, I can not condemn no one, because I do not know your heart or where you come from, or where you will end up. Only God knows that.

But as I have said over and over (again proof you never listen) God calls us to condemn a false gospel. Anyone who teaches a gospel which is not from Christ, is to be damned (accursed is the gentller word. but does not hit the point)

so get over youreself.. Truth hurts, It seems I have made you mad. Well so be it. Maybe thats what you need.

There comes a point where you say people have chosen this position, and rejected all others, so it cannot be about faith but something personal to themselves. They maybe saved but just lost the plot along the way.


There has to come a time, where you take God literally. When he says you will never die, he means it.
Maybe you will see this truth some day. Maybe you will not. All we can do is pray

The Lord never said we do not die. So I do not know what your bible is telling you, but it is not the bible I am reading.
Please show me this promise about never dying.

What Bible do you read? If you would read, you would not make such heretical mistakes. In fact, No bible I know of would leave out the promise of Jesus that whever has fatih in him will never die.. They all say it, You just do not believe it,,

John 6:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. [SUP]36 [/SUP]But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. [SUP]37 [/SUP]All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [SUP]39 [/SUP]This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

[SUP]47 [/SUP]Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me[SUP][g][/SUP] has everlasting life. [SUP]48 [/SUP]I am the bread of life. [SUP]49 [/SUP]Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. [SUP]50 [/SUP]This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. [SUP]51 [/SUP]I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
John 3: 16, For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him will NEVER PERISH (DIE) But HAS eternal ife

John 10: 28, And I give them eternal life, and THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH (DIE)




John 11: 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Need I go further, Why do you not believe Peter?? Why?

Jesus gives us entry into the Kingdom, here and now and the promise of eternal life after we die or when we see Him face to face.

No, Jesus promised us eternal life, as enterance into the kingdom If your not alive in him, Your not part of th ekingdom. You must be born again first.. This comes by faith in Christ.. And eternal justificaiton.

If you do not possess eternal life, Your not part of the kingdom. Your still dead in your sin,

Only in your own mind you say I do not know Jesus. I do not know your spiritual walk, but I cannot believe over 20 years of faith this was without an encounter with the living Christ. Now my experience is meeting the Lord in many meeting, through many people and fellowships. I have rarely seen the legalism you talk about, but rather a lack of faith or reality of spirituality. You want me to be something I am not, and I cannot fit the box to make you happy. I wish you well but have no clue about what you are talking about. I wonder how you can claim to know Christ to be this far off the mark.

You can not see what your blind to. The pharisee did not see how blind they were. Paul had to have his eyes opened to see, or he would have remained blind.

I was born again in a wonderful church at a young age. I sw God alot. I just did not know him very well. because i was not tought right about my position in Christ You do no tknow me. You continued reference to my 20 years are useless. They d not support your point, they only PROVE YOU DO NOT HAVE A POINT or else you would not need to attack me..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just noticed my quotes were off. here is a repost so not confusing.

Originally Posted by PeterJens

John is talking about people who deny that Christ came in the flesh etc. Not all heresies or problems come in this way.



No he is talking about those who deny Christ period..
You sure know how to take a passage of scripture and screw it up..
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ.
1 John 2:22
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
1 John 2:23
Now there are other heresies out there that just saying Jesus is not the Christ. For instance saying we are equally the same as christ, is another heresy. And we can take Christ and emphasis the miraculous and leave out heart transformation through discipleship. But your tenor is very dismissive and closed minded. It also ends with the declaration I am screwing up scripture. That is just an opinion, but I suppose that is all you have.

This is just a man way to ignore the passage, and twist it to fit his own belief.

Anti-Christ means AGAINT - CHRIST. Jesus said, whoever is not for me is against me.. If you deny the son, you deny the father..

Anyone who leaves the church , and now denys christ, according to john has never been a true part of the church. PERIOD.. It does not matter if they once professed him or not.. If they leave, and now deny, THEY WERE NEVER SAVED.

Stop trying to add, subtract, or change the word of God.

EG for instance condemns his fathers church and all the people there, me and many others who I would call believers.


No, I condemn no one, I condemn the gospel of works..
How many times do you have to be told that.
You continually tell me I am a legalist, trying to earn my salvation, and not saved. I would call that condemnation in the extreme. Telling a christian he is going to hell because he does not accept OSAS, is condemnation. Saying it is sin and needs to repent of, is standing in for God. But somehow this seems to pass you by and your readers. Must be judgementalism is part of this version of christianity.

I said, if you follow your gospel you will not be saved, I can not condemn no one, because I do not know your heart or where you come from, or where you will end up. Only God knows that.

But as I have said over and over (again proof you never listen) God calls us to condemn a false gospel. Anyone who teaches a gospel which is not from Christ, is to be damned (accursed is the gentller word. but does not hit the point)

so get over yourself.. Truth hurts, It seems I have made you mad. Well so be it. Maybe thats what you need.

There comes a point where you say people have chosen this position, and rejected all others, so it cannot be about faith but something personal to themselves. They maybe saved but just lost the plot along the way.


There has to come a time, where you take God literally. When he says you will never die, he means it.
Maybe you will see this truth some day. Maybe you will not. All we can do is pray

The Lord never said we do not die. So I do not know what your bible is telling you, but it is not the bible I am reading.
Please show me this promise about never dying.

What Bible do you read? If you would read, you would not make such heretical mistakes. In fact, No bible I know of would leave out the promise of Jesus that whever has fatih in him will never die.. They all say it, You just do not believe it,,

John 6:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. [SUP]36 [/SUP]But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. [SUP]37 [/SUP]All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [SUP]39 [/SUP]This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

[SUP]47 [/SUP]Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me[SUP][g][/SUP] has everlasting life. [SUP]48 [/SUP]I am the bread of life. [SUP]49 [/SUP]Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. [SUP]50 [/SUP]This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. [SUP]51 [/SUP]I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
John 3: 16, For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him will NEVER PERISH (DIE) But HAS eternal ife

John 10: 28, And I give them eternal life, and THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH (DIE)

John 11: 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Need I go further, Why do you not believe Peter?? Why?

Jesus gives us entry into the Kingdom, here and now and the promise of eternal life after we die or when we see Him face to face.

No, Jesus promised us eternal life, as enterance into the kingdom If your not alive in him, Your not part of th ekingdom. You must be born again first.. This comes by faith in Christ.. And eternal justificaiton.

If you do not possess eternal life, Your not part of the kingdom. Your still dead in your sin,

Only in your own mind you say I do not know Jesus. I do not know your spiritual walk, but I cannot believe over 20 years of faith this was without an encounter with the living Christ. Now my experience is meeting the Lord in many meeting, through many people and fellowships. I have rarely seen the legalism you talk about, but rather a lack of faith or reality of spirituality. You want me to be something I am not, and I cannot fit the box to make you happy. I wish you well but have no clue about what you are talking about. I wonder how you can claim to know Christ to be this far off the mark.

You can not see what your blind to. The pharisee did not see how blind they were. Paul had to have his eyes opened to see, or he would have remained blind.

I was born again in a wonderful church at a young age. I sw God alot. I just did not know him very well. because i was not tought right about my position in Christ You do no tknow me. You continued reference to my 20 years are useless. They d not support your point, they only PROVE YOU DO NOT HAVE A POINT or else you would not need to attack me..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gospel of works. The law is nailed to the cross.
I can't help but think of that English preacher any time I read something like that. Murderers go to heaven as long as they believe.
He was so funny. He had this British accent and the amazement in his voice. 'He thought he could be a christian gangster'.

https://soundfaith.com/sermons/100051-christian-gangster

so your saying King David, Moses, and many others are going to hell?

They are murderers in case you forgot.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear reader,

In all sincerity I ask people simply to meet Jesus and walk with Him, listen to His words and do what He tells you.
Many theologies have been created out of His actions and words, but they do not define the relationship or its reality.
Decrying peoples heart felt experiences or calling them of Satan is not the work of the Holy Spirit.

It appears that the spiritual approaches are in two areas. People who believe we are so lost, everything is of God, and we are incapable of anything good or righteous, at any point as sinners or redeemed saints.

The other side is people who believe we can be transformed and walk in righteousness. Some go so far that those who do not know God can be righteous.

The problem with inability to walk in righteousness, is you end up where the RCC is with lots of exceptions to get round this impossibility.

I want to believe Jesus. He set the slave free, He brought real victory, He brought love into our hearts to remake us into His children. This is the gospel that spoke to me as a child. If your Jesus cannot do this, I want to find the Jesus of scripture who spoke to His friends and knew their strengths and weaknesses. Moses, the great law giver, who saw God face to face, yet he was the humblest of men. Jesus the great high King, became the humblest and lowest, wandered around preaching love and reality, forgiveness, integrity, your yes being yes and your no being no.

Now I come in search of people who know my Lord, yet I am called evil, lost and empty. People are more confused than I ever could imagine. I am still learning and walking in His grace. In the end face to face is probably the only way we build this kingdom, because this is just words on a page. If we saw each other much of what is written would not be written at all. I wish you all well, may we learn more of our glorious Lord in the coming days, because He is worthy.

How can one praise God. then deny God saved them, by saying if we do not do out part. God will take back his salvation.

That is not praising God. that is calling God a liar..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Adultery? That was not forbidden in the O.T. They had no new nature yet, so they could have a bunch of wives.

Ex 20: [SUP]14 [/SUP]“You shall not commit adultery.

I see Peter liked what you posted. Thanks you both just proved you excuse sin.. Adultry was sin, the pegans had multiple wives. God never said having more than one wife was ok. He always said it was adultry..

Now excuse me, while I go take some medicine to calm my stomach down, You guys make me sick!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thankyou EG. This is my point. How long have you followed Jesus? How long have you known what righteousness is, love and the Holy Spirit?

Listen to Paul encouraging Timothy

God’s work—which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
1 Tim 1:5

Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Tim 2:22

You say you are a preacher, an example, yet the testimony from yourself after being forgiven, walking in love and the Holy Spirit is you are still lost. I do not think I would come to you for advice or teaching, because how can a teacher such as you teach me how to walk in righteousness when by your own testimony you fail so completely.

How can you teach anyone? You think Adultry is ok.. And it was excused in the OT.. Since when is sin ok? Since when is sin
determined by society? Thats what you claimed when you liked what the young lady said.

It is you who should not teach anyone You will never show anyone the way to righteounsess, 1st because your too proud, Second, because you do not know what real righteousness is, and third, You can not be trusted to know what is sin and what is not sin. and finally, Your trying to earn your way to heaven, so you reject grace..

Now I am not perfect, but I have come a long way, I stumble only occasionally. I walk by Faith and the Spirit.
Who is following Jesus and finding victory in their lives? That is our goal and calling.

You sin occasionally??.. Yep. you sound just like the pharisee.. Not like the tax collector.. Who did Jesus say went home justified??

when you become like pau. and confess you are a wretched man,, Then maybe you can find christ, then maybe just maybe (if you actually believe it) you can start teaching others..

Until then, your a dangerous man.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Ex 20: [SUP]14 [/SUP]“You shall not commit adultery.

I see Peter liked what you posted. Thanks you both just proved you excuse sin.. Adultry was sin, the pegans had multiple wives. God never said having more than one wife was ok. He always said it was adultry..

Now excuse me, while I go take some medicine to calm my stomach down, You guys make me sick!

LOL. Isn't it ironic how those who rail continuously against the grace of God, claiming that it leads to sin and sinning, are the very ones who condone sin and sinning?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Multiple wives is not adultery. A headache, maybe, but not sin.

says who?? SInce when is sleeping with another woman not your first wife ever not considered adultery? The marraige is sacred, it is supposed to represent the union between God and his bride. WHen did God ever say it was ok to have more than one wife?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"I do not go with Jesus." Is this a word of knowledge you are having? Do you know me and my spiritual life?
When I say "I love you Jesus" who am I praying to?
When Jesus convicts me of sin and I repent, who am I obeying and repenting to?

Now when you pray to Jesus, you pray to Jesus. When you follow in Jesus's ways you are following Him. Now I may not agree with you on theology, but I am not saying you are not following your understanding of Jesus.

One way one knows when anyone has gone to far, is when they deny simple access anyone has to Christ.
You claim I am twisting Jesus's words when your group change the context and meaning so they have no influence on the believer. Many have claimed the sermon on the mount is to jews only before the cross, and not us, even though it was written after the cross by christians for christians. So I would suggest it is not me changing the words of Christ but the group you represent.

And I am happy to discuss anything. But calling me not even walking with Jesus is a very sad appreciation of someone else, especially when they are just sharing scripture and their life experience. It is not surprising people get scared of being trampled on, but hey, you have taught me to get used to it.

If you knew jesus completely. You would teach what he teach, believe what he says, and not be against him.

No, You do not know jesus, who do you pray to? I do not know. Probably the same God the jews prayed to when they tried to get to heaven by their deeds also..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL. Isn't it ironic how those who rail continuously against the grace of God, claiming that it leads to sin and sinning, are the very ones who condone sin and sinning?

You get them to talk, eventually they will crash and burn, we have witnessed it here today in a deep form.

I am sickened by what I just witnessed They yell and scream we are the ones who love to excuse sin,, Yet here they are saying sin is not a sin, and it is ok..

It is like one of our elders said, Both legalism and licentiousness have the same root error. They are grounded in pride. and desire to sin,, One just does not admit any sin is sin or wrong, the other, makes their own rules of what sin is wrong and not.

Hey, as long as I do not watch porn, drink smoke, and kill anyone.. I can lie cheat and steal all I want.. or in this case, If I was an OT saint, I could have as many wives as I want.. (I need to throw up!!)

 

[valiant]

EG too sprauling an answer. Paul says faith without love is nothing.
But the point he is making without faith we have lost everything.

No without grace we have lost everything,. Faith is only the channel

Judas lost his faith, Peter did not

.

But what was Judas faith in. It was in a warlike Messiah who would deliver the Jews, Once he saw what Jesus was offering he decided he didn't want it. He did not lose his faith in the true Messiah. Jesus knew FROM THE BEGINNING who would betray Him. Jesus said He was a devil. A strange example of faith,'

James added that real faith has works as fruit.
Peter added real faith is shown in righteous behaviour.

What matters is staying true to the end, being victorious.

you will cling on so long. Then you will fall, and great will be your fall.

As I said what you deny is that people can walk righteously or in a way pleasing to God, following His will.

NO ONE said that.

You say continuously you feel guilt and conviction of sin, yet you claim you should not.

Because he has a proper view of sin.. That is why Jesus said we should pray daily for forgiveness.,

I suggest you are not walking in the spirit but in sin and the flesh, therefore do not know Christ, and your faith is incomplete.

I suggest you are wrong.

You want to condemn me yet Jesus says if you disown him before people, he will disown you before His Father.
Strange that sounds like if you walk away from Jesus you truly are lost, like Judas who sold out Jesus.

Those who love Him will never disown Him, except for a short time like Peter. They disown Him because they do not know Him, like Judas.

 

[PeterJens]

Dear reader,

EG generates so much verbage, it is pointless trying to answer his points.
If he can generate a new angle that makes him happy and trys to make me look stupid that is what he will do.
I could go through and answer everything, but he will just generate another load of stuff.

He is simply not interested in creating a layered agreed structure of belief and understanding, so interaction is pointless.
You can infinitely turn a point this or that way, but not actually say anything of significance, at all. That is all he does.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Dear reader,

EG generates so much verbage, it is pointless trying to answer his points.
If he can generate a new angle that makes him happy and trys to make me look stupid that is what he will do.
I could go through and answer everything, but he will just generate another load of stuff.

He is simply not interested in creating a layered agreed structure of belief and understanding, so interaction is pointless.
You can infinitely turn a point this or that way, but not actually say anything of significance, at all. That is all he does.

What he's doing is correcting you. It would behove you to listen to him and learn.

 

[PeterJens]

No without grace we have lost everything,. Faith is only the channel

If we have no faith, we have no salvation. Touching faith and keeping faith is staying true

But what was Judas faith in. It was in a warlike Messiah who would deliver the Jews, Once he saw what Jesus was offering he decided he didn't want it. He did not lose his faith in the true Messiah. Jesus knew FROM THE BEGINNING who would betray Him. Jesus said He was a devil. A strange example of faith,'

Judas walked with the disciples and all thought he was true till the end.

you will cling on so long. Then you will fall, and great will be your fall.

Is this a prophecy? The Lord is my source of faith, I walk because he maintains me

NO ONE said that.

People constantly say until they see Christ, no one can walk righteously. This is the basis of total depravity and original sin doctrines. So you are simply wrong, look it up.

Because he has a proper view of sin.. That is why Jesus said we should pray daily for forgiveness.,

My point is simple. If everyday you are caught in sin, a slave to it, and need to repent and ask for forgiveness, you do not have victory. Either you do not know the Lord and His victory, or you have a wrong view of sin. Which acts are you condemning yourself about?

I suggest you are wrong.

So being in sin constantly is not walking in the flesh but walking in the Spirit.
Now that is an odd gospel you follow

Those who love Him will never disown Him, except for a short time like Peter. They disown Him because they do not know Him, like Judas.

If I follow Jesus, walk in His ways, confess Him and know righteousness, then I will be acknowledged by Jesus before the Father, because that is what he said he would do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear reader,

EG generates so much verbage, it is pointless trying to answer his points.
If he can generate a new angle that makes him happy and trys to make me look stupid that is what he will do.
I could go through and answer everything, but he will just generate another load of stuff.

Dear reader. Once again PeterJens is being dishonest. From day one he would not answer all of my points, In fact, if you ready his posts. He does that to just about everyone, not Just EG..

His motus operendi is to pick what he feels he can answer. Try to answer. or just pick a line or two out of a lengthy post. and attack it with senseless innuendo, slander, and strawmen arguments.

He may try once in a while to answer, when he thinks he has one, But then when that answer is countered by the bible, he gets angry, and posts "dear reader" in order to attack again.

He is simply not interested in creating a layered agreed structure of belief and understanding, so interaction is pointless.
You can infinitely turn a point this or that way, but not actually say anything of significance, at all. That is all he does.

Actually yes he is very interested in structured conversation. But thats hard when the person your trying to converse with will not anwer you, but just attack you with false truths and strawmen attacks.

What he is not interested in is tghe belief that all gospels lead us to heaven.. If that's what your getting at.

I am sorry you do not like being confronted.. Maybe one day you will actually open your eyes and see

1. Why you are being confronted?
2. Why you are continually being told we do not believe what you think we believe
3. Why you are continually being told you are attacking others by getting agry at them for doing the very things you yourself are doing.

I know I know. this takes alot of humility, and that is hard,, But there is always hope.

 

[PeterJens]

What he's doing is correcting you. It would behove you to listen to him and learn.

This is interesting advice. I am meant to listen to EG about what?
That I am trying to earn my way to heaven? I am not.
That I should be a calvanist? I am not.
That I should condemn myself about sins I have not commited? I do not need to do this.
That I should be a dispensationalist with a distorted view of salvation? I call this heresy.

Jesus calls me to a simple reality. Love from the heart, be real, repent of sin, and walk in purity and holiness.
This is empowered by the Cross, by streams of living water from Christ.

Do you know why you sin? Are you a slave to wrong attitudes and your heart has not been cleansed?
I counsel you to clean the inside of the cup, your thought life, to forgive those you have things against and to walk in the way of Jesus. If you knew these things you would not be encouraging me to listen to EG who literally says nothing, vapourware and adds nothing to my walk, but attempts to be a stumbling block, because he things OSAS is everything.

Love and Faith are everything, communion with God through Christ. So I encourage you to pursue this, and all will become clear.

 

[PeterJens]

EG you do make yourself look stupid.

Your only argument with me is OSAS. Nothing more. Why do you try and generate all the other stuff?
You would have the same problem with any Armenian. It does not make them unsaved, it is a different view.

 

[PeterJens]

Just a simple logical tower of belief
God is holy, love, the origin of all
Christ is our redeemer through whom we gain fellowship with God.
A believer will one day walk in righteousness, pure and holy.

Now this is a summary to point out a layer of ideas or principles. I could expand on these or say that is wrong it needs this or that added, but the reason for putting these items together is to make a point.
The believer is to become righteous, pure and holy.

Now in some religious ideas this is not true. The believer to be acceptable just has to be more good than bad.
To others the believer will be magically changed when they see Christ, and the daily transformation is irrelevant.

I wonder if we can agree even at this level.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just a simple logical tower of belief
God is holy, love, the origin of all
Christ is our redeemer through whom we gain fellowship with God.
A believer will one day walk in righteousness, pure and holy.

Now this is a summary to point out a layer of ideas or principles. I could expand on these or say that is wrong it needs this or that added, but the reason for putting these items together is to make a point.
The believer is to become righteous, pure and holy.

Now in some religious ideas this is not true. The believer to be acceptable just has to be more good than bad.
To others the believer will be magically changed when they see Christ, and the daily transformation is irrelevant.

I wonder if we can agree even at this level.

You forgot something.

God is also justice (pure) And his justice demands a punishment for anyone who breaks any of this laws. which are a abomination to his character,

If we see God as a judge,, and see ourselves as judged (because we can not live up to his standard) then everything falls into place.

If we do not see this, nothing else matters,, We can agree on 100 points, it would not matter, Because our foundation is on the sand, not on the living stone..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG you do make yourself look stupid.

Your only argument with me is OSAS. Nothing more

Nope. My argument with you is faith vs works. (salvation as a gift we recieve by repenting and trusting in God) , vs salvation which must be earned by running a race, working our our salvation, and being victorious). OSAS is just part of that argument (and I do not like the term osas, I would rather use eternal life,, or eternal security)

. Why do you try and generate all the other stuff?

I am just stating fact.. You continually do to others, what you yell and scream they do to you.. WHy do you continue to ignore this fact?

You would have the same problem with any Armenian. It does not make them unsaved, it is a different view.

Oh, So there is more than one gospel? Paul was wrong in Gal 1 when he said that anyone who teaches another kind of gospel. which is not another gospel at all. is to be damned.

ok. Yet another major mistake you have, When will you humble yourself and see all the major mistakes you make? Like saying God is not capable of doing what he promised to do?? WHAT????