Faith is our righteousness - Christ is our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins

[PeterJens]

I hold to Christianity and not to your Pelagian religious humanism.

On the subject of faith, it is easy to find holes in various positions, which are helpful to know about.
If you just attack others but do not put your own beliefs to the test and are open, then how does anyone know you are not just a provocative cynic, who opposes everyone for the sake of it.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Interesting response. Yesterday you said something about humanism, ie being able to have free will.
But it is easy to say what you do not like, but what do you like?

I never said that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

On the subject of faith, it is easy to find holes in various positions, which are helpful to know about.
If you just attack others but do not put your own beliefs to the test and are open, then how does anyone know you are not just a provocative cynic, who opposes everyone for the sake of it.

So are you going to humble yourself enough to repent about saying Lies about what EG was trying to get you to do?

Or continue to be dark.. Let me know. I have my hand on the report button..

we do not take non repentant liars lightly here on Christian chat.

 

[PeterJens]

PeterJens...I was lured into your comment above. It spoke simply, it revealed lots of spiritual truth. Then, you just had to go and bring in the word CALVINISM..and it spoiled it. Sheesh! Why did you have to do that? lol You have a knack, a neat way of expressing good solid BIBLICAL ideas and truths...you don't have to cloud it over by bringing in another man-made ideology there. If you had of left out Calvinism, or any other 'religious" dividing word, it would have been something that I would have printed out and framed on my wall! GOD has blessed you with a spiritual gift of Knowledge...and I see that you are well educated on man-made religions and such. However, the fact remains...if you spent the rest of your life expressing JESUS.and JESUS only, you will be doing a GODLY, GOOD, and Holy THING that makes sense and lures others to CHRIST. You avoid a lot of issues by avoiding the things that take away from the simplicity of GOD. Other than that, brother, GOD bless your endeavors!

Thankyou. I have to say when one is being attacked for almost everything one says, I do tend to go off on particular tracks that are probably more about my failures and where I come from than the Lord. I hope you can bear with this.

 

[FreeNChrist]

On the subject of faith, it is easy to find holes in various positions, which are helpful to know about.
If you just attack others but do not put your own beliefs to the test and are open, then how does anyone know you are not just a provocative cynic, who opposes everyone for the sake of it.

Who's on the subject of faith? I'm on the subject of your heretical Pelagian religious humanistic beliefs.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I never said that.

He has a habit of lying about what others say.. maybe it is time we start making a list of all the lies he has said about others..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thankyou. I have to say when one is being attacked for almost everything one says, I do tend to go off on particular tracks that are probably more about my failures and where I come from than the Lord. I hope you can bear with this.

so this is the reason you lie about others? Is this a confession??

Now, I did not think it was.

You being confronted does not give you a reason to lie about what others are saying..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who's on the subject of faith? I'm on the subject of your heretical Pelagian religious humanistic beliefs.

He likes to change subjects too. Thats twice today he has done that.

 

[oldethennew]

these have become totally un-profitable ex-changes all the way around....
please, let Christ's example reign and rule our hearts...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

these have become totally un-profitable ex-changes all the way around....
please, let Christ's example reign and rule our hearts...

there comes a time when liars need to be confronted.. They can not continue to tell the lies and bear false witness against others. Even jesus confronted the pharisee..

 

[FreeNChrist]

these have become totally un-profitable ex-changes all the way around....
please, let Christ's example reign and rule our hearts...

What could possibly be more profitable than the truth that sets people free??

 

[PeterJens]

If someone wants to say I am lying, it has to be this is what he said, and this is the lie.

If I say I do not believe is OSAS, it does not mean I believe in works salvation.
What it means is I believe people if they loose their faith, loose their salvation.
We are justified by faith, not by works, but faith without works is dead.

Now there are enumerable posts saying by not believing in OSAS I am not a christian and believe in works salvation.
You have to be mad to actually type those words and then say I am miss-representing this position.

It is not complex or even sensible.

If you want there are plenty of articles discussing these positions from either side on the internet.

It is wrong to call this lying and trying to heap guilt and condemnation on another about them.
This reflects rather on the spiritual understanding of the person saying this and their own delusions.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If someone wants to say I am lying, it has to be this is what he said, and this is the lie.

If I say I do not believe is OSAS, it does not mean I believe in works salvation.
What it means is I believe people if they loose their faith, loose their salvation.
We are justified by faith, not by works, but faith without works is dead.

Now there are enumerable posts saying by not believing in OSAS I am not a christian and believe in works salvation.
You have to be mad to actually type those words and then say I am miss-representing this position.

It is not complex or even sensible.

If you want there are plenty of articles discussing these positions from either side on the internet.

It is wrong to call this lying and trying to heap guilt and condemnation on another about them.
This reflects rather on the spiritual understanding of the person saying this and their own delusions.

But, that's not all you are saying, not by a long shot.

 

[PeterJens]

Who's on the subject of faith? I'm on the subject of your heretical Pelagian religious humanistic beliefs.

FreeNChrist - For a believer you are extremely quiet about what you believe. It is obvious you do not like free will. Do you hold to the Augustine view? You may notice I am happy with labels if they help frame a conversation. What about you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If someone wants to say I am lying, it has to be this is what he said, and this is the lie.

If I say I do not believe is OSAS, it does not mean I believe in works salvation.
What it means is I believe people if they loose their faith, loose their salvation.
We are justified by faith, not by works, but faith without works is dead.

Now there are enumerable posts saying by not believing in OSAS I am not a christian and believe in works salvation.
You have to be mad to actually type those words and then say I am miss-representing this position.

It is not complex or even sensible.

If you want there are plenty of articles discussing these positions from either side on the internet.

It is wrong to call this lying and trying to heap guilt and condemnation on another about them.
This reflects rather on the spiritual understanding of the person saying this and their own delusions.

You said I want you to be a calvanist
You said I want you to confess sins you never commited
You said I demand you become dispensational, or you will not be saved.

Admit your lie..

 

[FreeNChrist]

FreeNChrist - For a believer you are extremely quiet about what you believe. It is obvious you do not like free will. Do you hold to the Augustine view? You may notice I am happy with labels if they help frame a conversation. What about you?

Labels are for cowards and bigots who can't deal with people as individuals, they have to place them in a category and then deal with the category instead of the individual.

Belief systems are not labels. Labeling another by their belief system is. I am a Christian. Label me as that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If someone wants to say I am lying, it has to be this is what he said, and this is the lie.

If I say I do not believe is OSAS, it does not mean I believe in works salvation.

What else would it mean? If you have to give something back, how can you not have to earn it?

Your the one who keeps posting verses which say we have to run the race, earn the victory if we want eternal life.. you want me and other to believe that is not works?

What it means is I believe people if they loose their faith, loose their salvation.

So they have to EARN it by staying in the faith? Thats still earning..

We are justified by faith, not by works, but faith without works is dead.

Ah, So if I do one work, I am saved, but if I do none, then I am not saved, because I have no faith..

Oh wait your putting your own spin on what James was saying, sorry.

Now there are enumerable posts saying by not believing in OSAS I am not a christian and believe in works salvation.
You have to be mad to actually type those words and then say I am miss-representing this position.

You miss the rock,, Your trying to get to the finsih, If the foundation is flawed. the finish will be flawed.

All you hear is I think because you do not believe in eternal security you are not saved,, When I say so much more than that.. But you never hear that, Because you never listen..

Your being dishonest, Because I do not just say that, But that what you claim the basis of my question to you is..

thats why we can not talk.

It is not complex or even sensible.

Actually, Yes it is.. Eternal life is eternal.. If it is not.. It is conditional. You preach conditional life.

If you want there are plenty of articles discussing these positions from either side on the internet.

or we could just do as I have been trying and go to the bible? and stop listening to men.

It is wrong to call this lying and trying to heap guilt and condemnation on another about them.
This reflects rather on the spiritual understanding of the person saying this and their own delusions.

You said I want you to be a Calvinist, You said I want you to repent of sins you never commit, and you said I condemn you to hell because you are not dispensationalist.

You went to far. Now your being called out..

This is interesting advice. I am meant to listen to EG about what?
That I am trying to earn my way to heaven? I am not.
That I should be a calvanist? I am not.
That I should condemn myself about sins I have not commited? I do not need to do this.
That I should be a dispensationalist with a distorted view of salvation? I call this heresy.

there you go in black and white, The lies bolded for all to see..
Are you going to repent?

(notice I did not highlight the first point?? )

 

[PeterJens]

But, that's not all you are saying, not by a long shot.

FreeNChrist - EG has this thing about OSAS. So that is what it always centres on.

No unless others actually participate to bring light to an issue it just can be, that is rubbish, which does not progress anything, it is just an opinion. So are you will to contribute or just put your rejection but not the reason.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Labels are for cowards and bigots who can't deal with people as individuals, they have to place them in a category and then deal with the category instead of the individual.

Belief systems are not labels. Labeling another by their belief system is. I am a Christian. Label me as that.

Amen, And why I have been trying to get us off of labels. and following men, And just following God.

People do not like being told they have been taught wrong in church, Thats why it will take the return of Chrit to unit the church. We are too splintered.

it des not mean as induviduals, howeverm we have to fall for this trap..

 

[FreeNChrist]

FreeNChrist - EG has this thing about OSAS. So that is what it always centres on.

No unless others actually participate to bring light to an issue it just can be, that is rubbish, which does not progress anything, it is just an opinion. So are you will to contribute or just put your rejection but not the reason.

He has a thing for His Savior, and for Him actually being a Savior and not just a probationary judge. And your erroneous beliefs go way beyond just that.