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Sebastian,
Being Catholic I understand your frustration with the misconception that Catholics worship the Saints especially Mary. Personally I know I am a Christian and my faith is centered on God. Even in the scripture Jesus is called the GREAT INTERCESSOR....to me that means when we ask for intercession through any Saint we are really asking those we believe to be in the presence of God to bring forward our request to the Father. If you've ever asked a friend, brother or sister in Christ to pray for you, you're asking them to intercede on your behalf to the Father.
I don't go to any church to WORSHIP anything but the FATHER.
Being Catholic I understand your frustration with the misconception that Catholics worship the Saints especially Mary. Personally I know I am a Christian and my faith is centered on God. Even in the scripture Jesus is called the GREAT INTERCESSOR....to me that means when we ask for intercession through any Saint we are really asking those we believe to be in the presence of God to bring forward our request to the Father. If you've ever asked a friend, brother or sister in Christ to pray for you, you're asking them to intercede on your behalf to the Father.
I don't go to any church to WORSHIP anything but the FATHER.
D
Catholics are indeed Christians, yes, and it seems that every denomination has different views on how to get to heaven. However there are a few things I don't agree with the Catholic faith, where I live most people are catholic, and my great grandparents were catholic.
Baptism - What is the point of baptizing someone as a baby? Yes we are all born into sin, but by being baptized it is a commitment, like a contract, and in order to commit to this you must understand what it is that you are committing to? Babies can't understand what it is they're doing. THEY'RE BABIES. I was Baptized as a baby, but was re-baptized 2 weeks ago in the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Another thing is, when you are baptized as a baby as a Catholic they pour water over your head. yet the word Baptize comes from the Greek word baptizō which is a derivative of the word bap'-to, the strongs definition of bap'-to is :
A primary verb; to whelm, that is, cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or specific sense, that is, (literally) to moisten (a part of one’s person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): - dip.
Another things is the baptism of the Holy Ghost, which most Catholic churches don't believe in yet it says in John 3:5 Jesus says "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Its obvious he is making a point that this is important to do, he says Verily, Verily, which is to say, Truly Truly I say to you, unless a man be born of the water and of the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Catholic priests are also referred to as "Father" yet Jesus says here in Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
They also confess their sins to the priest in confession yet Jesus says in Mat 9:6 " But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. " Or in Mar 2:7 "Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? "
Only God can forgive your sins, by saying X amount of Hail Mary's doesn't forgive your sins, and you don't need to tell him your sins, I wouldn't feel right telling a man, who can judge and is a man nonetheless than me my sins, only God needs to know what sins I have committed and only he can forgive them, it's a personal relationship with God.
That is only to name a couple. Now that's not to say that you do those things, as everyone interprets the Bible differently. I'm not here to change your views, I am not to judge, only Our Father, Lord, and Savior; Jesus Christ can judge us. I hope you do not take any of this in offence to you brother.
I know many people who are Catholics, and I shall respect their decision, but it is my Duty as a Christian to inform people about the truth. We all must spread the truth.
God Bless.
Baptism - What is the point of baptizing someone as a baby? Yes we are all born into sin, but by being baptized it is a commitment, like a contract, and in order to commit to this you must understand what it is that you are committing to? Babies can't understand what it is they're doing. THEY'RE BABIES. I was Baptized as a baby, but was re-baptized 2 weeks ago in the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Another thing is, when you are baptized as a baby as a Catholic they pour water over your head. yet the word Baptize comes from the Greek word baptizō which is a derivative of the word bap'-to, the strongs definition of bap'-to is :
A primary verb; to whelm, that is, cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or specific sense, that is, (literally) to moisten (a part of one’s person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): - dip.
Another things is the baptism of the Holy Ghost, which most Catholic churches don't believe in yet it says in John 3:5 Jesus says "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Its obvious he is making a point that this is important to do, he says Verily, Verily, which is to say, Truly Truly I say to you, unless a man be born of the water and of the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Catholic priests are also referred to as "Father" yet Jesus says here in Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
They also confess their sins to the priest in confession yet Jesus says in Mat 9:6 " But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. " Or in Mar 2:7 "Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? "
Only God can forgive your sins, by saying X amount of Hail Mary's doesn't forgive your sins, and you don't need to tell him your sins, I wouldn't feel right telling a man, who can judge and is a man nonetheless than me my sins, only God needs to know what sins I have committed and only he can forgive them, it's a personal relationship with God.
That is only to name a couple. Now that's not to say that you do those things, as everyone interprets the Bible differently. I'm not here to change your views, I am not to judge, only Our Father, Lord, and Savior; Jesus Christ can judge us. I hope you do not take any of this in offence to you brother.
I know many people who are Catholics, and I shall respect their decision, but it is my Duty as a Christian to inform people about the truth. We all must spread the truth.
God Bless.
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Hey, as long you understand the meaning of salvation when Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins and rose from the grave to prove to us there is life after death then you have eternal life. Period! doesn't matter what what they said, it just between you and God. And if they are " true Christian" then they should have read about the judging passage. " Do not judge or you too will be judge" ( Matthew 7:1) So, let us leave that to God..
Indeed, Catholics were Christian 1500 years before Protestants.
Justification and the beginning of sanctification.
Says who? God chooses us - we do not choose Him.
Well, you can ask God for forgiveness for that - re-baptism is a sin - it was practiced by Anabaptists during the late Reformation.
Catholics dunk and dip. The early church started pouring water over believers heads because water was not plentiful, but if they were near a river they would dunk.
Being born of spirit occurs during baptism - the gospels tell us that! Pentecostals came up with the idea of the second baptism of the Holy Spirit during the last century - it is a new teaching, and many people believe it to be a heresy.
Yep, you got us! But you forgot, the NT also condemns the practice of calling anyone a teacher, as well. And, I hope you plan on calling your father by his first name from now on and instructing you children to call you by your first name.
When we sin, we are sinning against God and the Body - our brothers and sisters. The early church recognized this and started the practice of confessing their personal sins in front of each other. Understandably, people outside the church did not like this practice and stopped joining. So, the church restricted the practice to confessing to a priest. Also, Jesus commanded his disciples to go forth and health the sick, clothe the poor, feed the hungry and forgive sinners. In fact Jesus told them that if they chose not to forgive the sins of the people, they would not be forgiven!
Instead of restricting the forgiveness of sins to God - Jesus was asking the pharisees, who were accusing Jesus of blasphemy because He was forgiving sins, to continue to follow their own understanding of the law to its logical conclusion. When they did, they realized that Jesus was actually declaring His divinity.
Not according to the gospels.
Well, your comfort is the most important tool for determining whether a practice is right or wrong - right?
No one claims that it does.
No. I just consider the source......you are a young Christian who knows nothing about church history - therefore, instead of pointing out the nonChristian teachings of the Catholic Church, you simply revealed your own ignorance, while pointing out that the Catholic Church is the same church as the early church. Ummm.....and that some of your own teachings seem to be recent additions to Christianity - rather than measuring rods for truth. Oh, hope that wasn't offensive.....
Well, I suggest you get yourself a copy of the Catholic Catechism and find out what the church teaches, rather than relying on information from folks outside the church or relatives. Warning, after accepting this challenge from a Catholic friend of mine, I found out it was true and joined.
Justification and the beginning of sanctification.
Says who? God chooses us - we do not choose Him.
Well, you can ask God for forgiveness for that - re-baptism is a sin - it was practiced by Anabaptists during the late Reformation.
Catholics dunk and dip. The early church started pouring water over believers heads because water was not plentiful, but if they were near a river they would dunk.
Being born of spirit occurs during baptism - the gospels tell us that! Pentecostals came up with the idea of the second baptism of the Holy Spirit during the last century - it is a new teaching, and many people believe it to be a heresy.
Yep, you got us! But you forgot, the NT also condemns the practice of calling anyone a teacher, as well. And, I hope you plan on calling your father by his first name from now on and instructing you children to call you by your first name.
When we sin, we are sinning against God and the Body - our brothers and sisters. The early church recognized this and started the practice of confessing their personal sins in front of each other. Understandably, people outside the church did not like this practice and stopped joining. So, the church restricted the practice to confessing to a priest. Also, Jesus commanded his disciples to go forth and health the sick, clothe the poor, feed the hungry and forgive sinners. In fact Jesus told them that if they chose not to forgive the sins of the people, they would not be forgiven!
Instead of restricting the forgiveness of sins to God - Jesus was asking the pharisees, who were accusing Jesus of blasphemy because He was forgiving sins, to continue to follow their own understanding of the law to its logical conclusion. When they did, they realized that Jesus was actually declaring His divinity.
Not according to the gospels.
Well, your comfort is the most important tool for determining whether a practice is right or wrong - right?
No one claims that it does.
No. I just consider the source......you are a young Christian who knows nothing about church history - therefore, instead of pointing out the nonChristian teachings of the Catholic Church, you simply revealed your own ignorance, while pointing out that the Catholic Church is the same church as the early church. Ummm.....and that some of your own teachings seem to be recent additions to Christianity - rather than measuring rods for truth. Oh, hope that wasn't offensive.....
Well, I suggest you get yourself a copy of the Catholic Catechism and find out what the church teaches, rather than relying on information from folks outside the church or relatives. Warning, after accepting this challenge from a Catholic friend of mine, I found out it was true and joined.
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My mom went to Catholic church and so has my aunt for their whole lives, and they don't agree with anything that they do. And where is your Biblical evidence for any of this? I see no scriptual references, and you keep saying "the Church", it doesn't matter what the church started to do, or what the church recognizes, it matters what GOD TOLD US. What he has preached unto his deciples and is in the Holy Bible. Most people call their "father" Dad, as well.
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Catholic = Universal, To all of you who don't understand this..The Catholic Church is the Apostle Peter's Church..It is not exclusive but rather inclusive...Our Faith rests on Jesus as the Messiah, the Son OF GOD and savior of US all.
Now...you may choose to be trapped in DOCTRINE and RULES that are of human origin or you may choose to WORSHIP the LORD...Whatever DENOMINATION you are, the real point is to know and worship and love GOD! As a Catholic I understand this....I do not get wrapped up in ceremony and ritual as much as I seek to hear the teaching of our LORD!
If you are so concerned about the rights and wrongs about any particular Christian Denomination, maybe you should ask what is wrong about you and yours...
Now...you may choose to be trapped in DOCTRINE and RULES that are of human origin or you may choose to WORSHIP the LORD...Whatever DENOMINATION you are, the real point is to know and worship and love GOD! As a Catholic I understand this....I do not get wrapped up in ceremony and ritual as much as I seek to hear the teaching of our LORD!
If you are so concerned about the rights and wrongs about any particular Christian Denomination, maybe you should ask what is wrong about you and yours...
K
ur right sebastian ... i am a Catholic myself and calling a Catholic not a Christian is ridiculous,
Catholicism is the oldest form of Christianity ... All other forms, Protestantism and all the rest just came out of Catholicism
and saying we worship mary just cuz we pray to her is so ignorant ... why do some people here have the need to look down on others cuz we do a little bit different? basically we all believe in the same God, so all Christians are all brothers and sisters in faith
Catholicism is the oldest form of Christianity ... All other forms, Protestantism and all the rest just came out of Catholicism
and saying we worship mary just cuz we pray to her is so ignorant ... why do some people here have the need to look down on others cuz we do a little bit different? basically we all believe in the same God, so all Christians are all brothers and sisters in faith
N
I completly agree.
Just like in the bible how the people would try to test Jesus & say "well moses law says this or something says this"
Its not what the catholic church or any other church says its WHAT God said & what God told his servants to write in the bible.
Because ANYONE can simply say "do this & dont do that" Now just because a famous or a person says that does NOT mean it is right.
N
A baby does NOT know that he is being baptized so Honestly what is the point of baptizing a baby?
So if its a sin then why baptize a baby?
God gave us free will, If we want to get baptized thats our choice.
It should be OUR will to get baptized so when we do its because of our own choice because we want to be forgiven & be closer to God, That right there is good because WE ON OUR OWN will choose to believe & to get closer to God, NOT because our parents or anyone forced us but because WE Love God, need God, Want God =)
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I will teach you all something called Aggressive Christianity. This is working strongly to convert someone to believe your religion, and everything that you believe. You honestly, have got to get the gray matter between your ears thinking of a reason to fight with someone; after all Aggressive Christianity has been causing wars since 300 B.C.
~It may or may not be time to stop the war, it's your decision. ~
~It may or may not be time to stop the war, it's your decision. ~