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There was someone asking for help here, who needed some friends because he felt lonely, but I guess he left.
And why not? This became a thread about eating and medicine debate. Forget the guy that sounds in desperate need. Lets debate why he's overweight. That'll help him feel better about himself.
 

blue_ladybug

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I am so sorry but you are very wrong about wholesome food costing more. In the first place,one doesnt have to go to a special store to buy good food! Shopping for basic food groups is actually quite inexpensive. Its all the extra stuff people put in their shopping carts that adds to the expense.

Btw: Im very new here. Ill just let you know upfront that I was trying to be factual according to my studies. I dont appreciate you accusing me of something I have not done! I didnt say you or lynn was over medicated. I didnt say you eat too much either.
Go back and read what I wrote. I do know what I am talking about. I know ALOT about nutrition and I am knowledgeable on the effects of meds in various lifestyles ie whole foods vs junk.There are many contributing factors as to why people are fat . Poor diet, ingesting too much food, low water intake, and little to no exercise are LEADING CAUSES of obesity in the USA and anywhere for that matter.
Do the research yourself if care to know the real truth. In the future try not to get defensive. Ill present facts and it isnt catered to you or anyone else. Thanks

One, I wasn't accusing you of anything. Two, I wasn't being defensive. You WILL know it when I AM defensive, though. :) You've mentioned poor diet, eating too much food, and low water intake. For the record, low water intake does NOT make you gain weight. It makes you dehydrated. Too much water can kill you, as can too little. Fortunately, water weight gain only lasts until you pee it out. :) And, you neglect to mention that thyroid imbalances, certain meds, heredity AND disease, can also make a person gain weight. So it's NOT always caused by food. Like I said in my previous post, my weight gain was caused by medicine ONLY, not food.
 
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One, I wasn't accusing you of anything. Two, I wasn't being defensive. You WILL know it when I AM defensive, though. :) You've mentioned poor diet, eating too much food, and low water intake. For the record, low water intake does NOT make you gain weight. It makes you dehydrated. Too much water can kill you, as can too little. Fortunately, water weight gain only lasts until you pee it out. :) And, you neglect to mention that thyroid imbalances, certain meds, heredity AND disease, can also make a person gain weight. So it's NOT always caused by food. Like I said in my previous post, my weight gain was caused by medicine ONLY, not food.
Actually, you will eat far less food if you drink a lot of water. All your stomach knows is that SOMETHING is filling your belly, making you desire less... it doesn't care if it is water or donuts.

And the idea of thinking you may drink "too much" water is almost ludicrous. I sometimes drink two to three gallons a day. Most people drink a measly three or four glasses, at the most. One of the best things you can do for your health is to drink plenty of water.
 

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Actually, you will eat far less food if you drink a lot of water. All your stomach knows is that SOMETHING is filling your belly, making you desire less... it doesn't care if it is water or donuts.

And the idea of thinking you may drink "too much" water is almost ludicrous. I sometimes drink two to three gallons a day. Most people drink a measly three or four glasses, at the most. One of the best things you can do for your health is to drink plenty of water.


According to webmd.com AND other medical websites, its NOT ludicrous. Here's an article from webmd, proving my point that too much water CAN be fatal for you.

You've heard it a million times. When it's hot outside or you're exercising, drink lots of water. It's how your body stays hydrated.
But can there be too much of a good thing? In rare cases, drinking an extreme amount in a short time can be dangerous. It can cause the level of salt, or sodium, in yourblood to drop too low. That's a condition called hyponatremia.It's very serious, and can be fatal. You may hear it called water intoxication.
How much would you have to drink? An enormous amount. Gallons and gallons of water. "These are very isolated cases, and this is extremely rare," says Sharon Bergquist, MD. She's an assistant professor of medicine at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta. "More people by far and away are dehydrated, [rather] than having a problem with over-hydration."
[h=3]What Is Water Intoxication?[/h]If you drink a bottle of water here and there when youexercise or when you're hot, you’ll be fine. Where you run into problems is drinking way too much too fast. "Young, healthy people don’t normally [get hyponatremia] unless they drink liters and liters of water at once, because your kidneys can only [expel] about half a liter at most an hour," says Chris McStay, MD. He's an emergency medicine doctor at the University of Colorado School of Medicine. "You're drinking more than your kidneys can pee out."
[h=3]Causes[/h]The issue boils down to sodium levels. One of sodium’s jobs is to balance the fluids in and around your cells. Drinking too much water causes an imbalance, and the liquid moves from your blood to inside your cells, making them swell. Swelling inside the brain is serious and requires immediate treatment. Sometimes babies can have issues. Their bodies are so tiny that they can't handle lots of water. That's why doctors say infants should drink only milk or formula.
Then there are the cases like hazing rituals and publicized contests where people drink large amounts on purpose.
[h=3]Symptoms and Treatment[/h]The warning signs of hyponatremia look a lot like the symptoms of heatstroke and exhaustion. You might be hot, have a headache, and just feel crummy. Other early symptoms can include diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting. "If you see someone like that, pull them aside, put them in the shade, and talk to them," McStay says. It’s often hard to tell the difference, he says, between water intoxication and heat exhaustion, “unless you know they drank 6 gallons of water."
If you don't get help right away, the condition can quickly lead to swelling in the brain, seizures, and coma. Get to an emergency room as soon as you can. Doctors there can inject concentrated salt water to ease swelling and reverse problems.
[h=3]Advice and Prevention[/h]The best way to prevent hyponatremia is to make sure you don't drink way more than you sweat out. But that's hard to measure.
Experts say drink until you don't feel thirsty, then stop. Or check things out when you go to the bathroom.
"I tell people to look at your pee," McStay says. "If it's dark, you're probably dehydrated, and you should drink. But you wouldn’t want to be peeing, peeing, peeing, and it's clear. Then you're peeing out almost clear water and you have a problem." Sometimes, it helps to have sports drinks instead of plain water if you know you'll be working hard. Sports drinks have sodium and other electrolytes. But too much liquid of any kind too fast can cause issues.
We’ve always been told to stay hydrated while exercising, Bergquist says. “But there's a fine line. It's important to listen to your body. If you're pushing fluids beyond the point it's comfortable, it's a sign it's time to stop drinking."
 

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Actually, you will eat far less food if you drink a lot of water. All your stomach knows is that SOMETHING is filling your belly, making you desire less... it doesn't care if it is water or donuts.

And the idea of thinking you may drink "too much" water is almost ludicrous. I sometimes drink two to three gallons a day. Most people drink a measly three or four glasses, at the most. One of the best things you can do for your health is to drink plenty of water.

​Plenty of water, yes. 5 or 6 gallons per day, NOPE.
 
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You're the one looking at the surface only, so don't blame that on others.

You've got a computer. You have internet access. Everything needed to do something for someone else, to make a difference, to help someone else, and become friends, but look how you're using it. It's about you.

THAT's the problem. You're so inwardly focused you aren't helpful to anyone

Oh the irony.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6z1MynGK3YA
 
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There was someone asking for help here, who needed some friends because he felt lonely, but I guess he left.
I am still around, but to be honest I was not aware of most of these replies, but then again the thread veered off topic so it would not have made a difference if I had read them. Secondly a good number of the replies reminded me of what Job's friends to him, that this is all my fault. I even got called out on the carpet for a tread about me asked for help for myself was all about me. Who else would it have been about George Schmidt? It may have not been the intent of the posters, but I walked away with less hope and love.
 
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I am still around, but to be honest I was not aware of most of these replies, but then again the thread veered off topic so it would not have made a difference if I had read them. Secondly a good number of the replies reminded me of what Job's friends to him, that this is all my fault. I even got called out on the carpet for a tread about me asked for help for myself was all about me. Who else would it have been about George Schmidt? It may have not been the intent of the posters, but I walked away with less hope and love.
And married people telling a single person he's selfish really. Shut up and be alone yourself and see if you get happy. You had better posted it in singles. There's more who feel or have felt like that.
 
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How much would you have to drink? An enormous amount. Gallons and gallons of water. "These are very isolated cases, and this is extremely rare," says Sharon Bergquist, MD.

The article is pointing out an extreme and RARE example of water intake.
Willie and I are saying a good amount of water daily keeps the body satiated and is a key component to health first and also of weight maintenance or weight loss. Finding an article on extreme water intake has nothing to do what we are trying to convey . Although I did laugh at the desperate attempt to "be right", I must point out how sad it is that people will grasp at straws to have the last say. This isnt about being right but it is about putting forth the correct information. I guess some people just keep talking and talking and talking even if they end up looking like someone who is just going to talk and talk and talk and not say anything valuable really! If a person is fat he/she can lose weight and be healthier and happier. Some people are in deep denial and would rather rationalize and make up excuses so that their addiction continues to keep them in bondage. Obesity is an EPIDEMIC in the USA. The statistics are alarming . What is awful is that a fat parent is most likely going to raise a fat child. Look at the stats! Child obesity is also an EPIDEMIC

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make her drink!:)

 
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How much would you have to drink? An enormous amount. Gallons and gallons of water. "These are very isolated cases, and this is extremely rare," says Sharon Bergquist, MD.

The article is pointing out an extreme and RARE example of water intake.
Willie and I are saying a good amount of water daily keeps the body satiated and is a key component to health first and also of weight maintenance or weight loss. Finding an article on extreme water intake has nothing to do what we are trying to convey . Although I did laugh at the desperate attempt to "be right", I must point out how sad it is that people will grasp at straws to have the last say. This isnt about being right but it is about putting forth the correct information. I guess some people just keep talking and talking and talking even if they end up looking like someone who is just going to talk and talk and talk and not say anything valuable really! If a person is fat he/she can lose weight and be healthier and happier. Some people are in deep denial and would rather rationalize and make up excuses so that their addiction continues to keep them in bondage. Obesity is an EPIDEMIC in the USA. The statistics are alarming . What is awful is that a fat parent is most likely going to raise a fat child. Look at the stats! Child obesity is also an EPIDEMIC

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make her drink!:)

You have to have correct information first, though. And not one person here knows the basis for his weight. Perhaps thyroid issues? Or another medical condition. To immediately go to the 'fat parents raise fat kids' criticism you should get the 'correct information' to ensure that such accusations have some basis, and not just some blanket attack on someone being overweight. And grasping at straws to put people down to build yourself up.
Seems much of what you are accusing others of you are just as guilty of doing. Do you really think your 'you're fat and it's your fault' approach is doing anything to help at all?
And the topic here isn't even his weight. There's a lot more he spoke on, but you chose to focus only on his weight. I feel that speaks more about you than him.
 
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I am still around, but to be honest I was not aware of most of these replies, but then again the thread veered off topic so it would not have made a difference if I had read them. Secondly a good number of the replies reminded me of what Job's friends to him, that this is all my fault. I even got called out on the carpet for a tread about me asked for help for myself was all about me. Who else would it have been about George Schmidt? It may have not been the intent of the posters, but I walked away with less hope and love.
Please consider that when you post on the forums, you are talking to people that sometimes have nothing better to do than sit around and give bad arm chair advice! They may be mentally ill as well. Also, look to see their daily post avg. That will give you an idea of what kind of life they lead. CC can be an addiction !!

In a nut shell; consider the source. Some people talk far too much and unfortunately have little to say really.
Hit Utah up and let him take you out to a game! That will be a good thing. Go to the singles forum. It appears to be a very uplifting positive environment. Blessings
 
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I am still around, but to be honest I was not aware of most of these replies, but then again the thread veered off topic so it would not have made a difference if I had read them. Secondly a good number of the replies reminded me of what Job's friends to him, that this is all my fault. I even got called out on the carpet for a tread about me asked for help for myself was all about me. Who else would it have been about George Schmidt? It may have not been the intent of the posters, but I walked away with less hope and love.
Mark 12:30-31: And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
 
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You have to have correct information first, though. And not one person here knows the basis for his weight. Perhaps thyroid issues? Or another medical condition. To immediately go to the 'fat parents raise fat kids' criticism you should get the 'correct information' to ensure that such accusations have some basis, and not just some blanket attack on someone being overweight. And grasping at straws to put people down to build yourself up.
Seems much of what you are accusing others of you are just as guilty of doing. Do you really think your 'you're fat and it's your fault' approach is doing anything to help at all?
And the topic here isn't even his weight. There's a lot more he spoke on, but you chose to focus only on his weight. I feel that speaks more about you than him.
Are you fat too? It seems the fat people are coming unglued here! LOL

Im only stating statistics. Obesity is an epidemic. It is a illness and it is bondage . Yes, I do think that my focus on water intake among other things will help someone reading on.

What have you offered on this thread besides pointing out faults of others?
 
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Please consider that when you post on the forums, you are talking to people that sometimes have nothing better to do than sit around and give bad arm chair advice! They may be mentally ill as well. Also, look to see their daily post avg. That will give you an idea of what kind of life they lead. CC can be an addiction !!

In a nut shell; consider the source. Some people talk far too much and unfortunately have little to say really.
Hit Utah up and let him take you out to a game! That will be a good thing. Go to the singles forum. It appears to be a very uplifting positive environment. Blessings


(Does the singles forum have less people sure they understand all things about those terrible fat people?)
 
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I am still around, but to be honest I was not aware of most of these replies, but then again the thread veered off topic so it would not have made a difference if I had read them. Secondly a good number of the replies reminded me of what Job's friends to him, that this is all my fault. I even got called out on the carpet for a tread about me asked for help for myself was all about me. Who else would it have been about George Schmidt? It may have not been the intent of the posters, but I walked away with less hope and love.
Depression seriously sucks. :( I'm very sorry you're going through it, Batman. I only advise counseling as it's what helped me get through horrid fear & tormenting depression in my past. You can Google crisis counselors in your city and also call the churches in your area to see if any of them offer free counseling. "In a multitude of counselors there is safety," the Bible tells us. Counselors sure provided me safety and comfort over the years and today I'm so thankful to God for those who helped me. I'm free of depression & fear today. And in my particular case, no meds needed. What I needed was to be set free in my mind. \ :D /

All your other problems you can work through more easily once you get to the bottom of what's causing your depression, ya know?

I pray the Lord Jesus Christ bless & keep you and that your heart would soon experience the peace that surpasses all understanding. Have an awesome weekend, my friend!

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(Does the singles forum have less people sure they understand all things about those terrible fat people?)
I never said fat people are terrible. You did. You really are a smart lady arent you?
 
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Are you fat too? It seems the fat people are coming unglued here! LOL

Im only stating statistics. Obesity is an epidemic. It is a illness and it is bondage . Yes, I do think that my focus on water intake among other things will help someone reading on.

What have you offered on this thread besides pointing out faults of others?
Stats are blanket statements that have nothing to do with each person. People are individuals, not statistics. I will not be assimilated by the borg by lowering a persons spirit to a number.

And i have messaged the OP privately to avoid people like you interfering in building this person up by treating them like a number and judging them on that alone. I have, also because of people like you, encouraged him to not return to this thread.