They may not choose to follow Him, but it is still our duty to spread the Gospel.
Shaming anyone who spreads the Gospel is not of Christ.
Shaming anyone who spreads the Gospel is not of Christ.
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ramx2016
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You know what funny... if asked just 10 years ago.... this thread would have died on page one...
CAN one be pro? yes... God gave us free choice... does it go against God's own Word? yes
It's kinda like asking can Christians be pro-sin....
BUT like I said before these things will and HAVE TO happen... fight as you may... God's will - will be done... so sit back and enjoy the ride...
CAN one be pro? yes... God gave us free choice... does it go against God's own Word? yes
It's kinda like asking can Christians be pro-sin....
BUT like I said before these things will and HAVE TO happen... fight as you may... God's will - will be done... so sit back and enjoy the ride...
Actually it does not result from free will. It is the result of conditioning and environment. Those who practise it are not free but are slaves of sin,,
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wwjd_kilden
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I don't mind them getting married at the (uh, where do people get married over there if it isn't in the church? )
...but the church / pastors should have the right to refuse to perform the ceremony (morally, these churches should then also refuse people who are re- marrying)
...but the church / pastors should have the right to refuse to perform the ceremony (morally, these churches should then also refuse people who are re- marrying)
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ramx2016
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Agreed. I'll be the FIRST to admit I used to classify them differently than I would any other sinner including myself obviously...but my eyes were opened in the fact that we are not to judge. We are ALL sinners and personally I don't think we as God'd kid are to act like we are the parents....
Gay people are still people who we have to love... remember satan is COUNTING on us going crazy over this... divide and conquer...
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I strongly agree with the divide and conquer statement. The gay movement is really being used as a tool to make Christians seem mean, hateful, and refusing to "understand" those who are different. It should be no surprise that the idea that being gay is something that absolutely cannot be helped (and your a bigot if you argue that) is being pushed so hard. Those who live the lbgt lifestyle are allowing their sad feelings to justify what they are doing, and this is being used to make younger people who do not yet know Him to believe that its totally cruel to expect anyone to say no to urges. Its a massive tool being used by the enemy right now.
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ramx2016
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Oh not just a right but a God given duty! - How far we have gone off the intended path... is sickening...
Agreed. I'll be the FIRST to admit I used to classify them differently than I would any other sinner including myself obviously...but my eyes were opened in the fact that we are not to judge. We are ALL sinners and personally I don't think we as God'd kid are to act like we are the parents....
Gay people are still people who we have to love... remember satan is COUNTING on us going crazy over this... divide and conquer...
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Yes we are all winners and none of us are exempted from sinful desires but if we get carried away and give in to lust then it becomes sin and sin leads to death. If we really love them we must strive to let them see the truth not in a condemning way but in the most loving way.
Theres a (very heavily secular) site that I talk on sometimes. This conversation has come up a few times. And while some of them will claim thats fair, there are those who claim that allowing those who follow God being allowed to refuse to do this or participate in it is wrong, and they should be forced to do so.
I wouldnt be surprised if a time came where we arent even safe in our freedom to say no.
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ramx2016
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I wouldnt be surprised if a time came where we arent even safe in our freedom to say no.[/QUOTE]
Oh that time is coming...got my popcorn ready...
Oh that time is coming...got my popcorn ready...
Ive heard that France has a law that forbids any negative talk about homosexuality.
If true, thats clearly horrible.
If true, thats clearly horrible.
There are a lot of straight people that are as wrapped up in sexual immorality as any gay or lesbian. In fact I would be willing to bet there is a fair share of "devout" Christians who view porn on a regular basis, and who are committing sexual immorality in their marriages, both men and woman.
Our bodies are our temples, created and gifted to us by God, after His image. To defile it in any way is sinful. The bible says it is the only sin in which we sin against our own body.
Gays and lesbians, and any sexually deviant behavior between a man and woman is an insult to God. With that type of conduct, the participants are saying that they are going to use their body in a rebellious fashion, outside of how God designed our bodies, and absent of love. A man with a man, a woman with a woman, and a man and woman doing things that God not intend for our bodies is something other then love. The act as intended by our Lord was to be a expression and gratitude of love. If one is doing something outside of Gods approval, doing something that God had not planned when He created us is sin.
So from a spiritual perspective focusing on the sinful endorsement by our government of gay marriage just punctuates the elements which prompted the discussion, the legal endorsement firstly, i.e., like the government permitting porn on the internet, licensing sex clubs and prostitution, the commercializing of sex by Madison Avenue and the entertainment industry, and the legalizing of abortions in the early seventies, sites like Ashley Madison that are pulling huge numbers. Lets not deny it, there are a portion of Christians who are involved in these things.
We're supposed to be the salt and light.
The implications of multiple sex partners and sexually deviant behavior become apparent as one becomes more experienced in life, and their walk with Jesus deepens. Thank God that He can and is willing the reverse and repair a lot of the damage inflicted on the soul, mind, and body; He restores the time the Canker worm and Palmer worm have eaten.
But the scars remain, to one degree or another.
The legalizing of gay marriage was just the next logical footstep in a public exhibition of what the outspoken and media controlled liberal culture has already yearned inwardly. Sin destroys, and in its desirous lust and selfishness will seek to seduce and /or devour anything, anyone, and everything that stands in its way.
The direction we are headed, gay marriage will one day seem relatively tame. I don't even want to discuss here what the next frontier of publicly endorsed sexual immorality may possibly be. Don't be naive to the possibility. It is already being openly discussed in France.
If we as Christians had not compromised ourselves to the degree we have, if we had not grown so comfortable in our materialism, if we had prayed and studied the bible more, and done more to spread Gods word, society may not be where it is today.
Unless it was a rhetorical question, as a conversation starter, to suggest that a Christian could even consider for more then maybe a moment if he or she could endorse gay marriage is outside the bounds of our manifest.
Our bodies are our temples, created and gifted to us by God, after His image. To defile it in any way is sinful. The bible says it is the only sin in which we sin against our own body.
Gays and lesbians, and any sexually deviant behavior between a man and woman is an insult to God. With that type of conduct, the participants are saying that they are going to use their body in a rebellious fashion, outside of how God designed our bodies, and absent of love. A man with a man, a woman with a woman, and a man and woman doing things that God not intend for our bodies is something other then love. The act as intended by our Lord was to be a expression and gratitude of love. If one is doing something outside of Gods approval, doing something that God had not planned when He created us is sin.
So from a spiritual perspective focusing on the sinful endorsement by our government of gay marriage just punctuates the elements which prompted the discussion, the legal endorsement firstly, i.e., like the government permitting porn on the internet, licensing sex clubs and prostitution, the commercializing of sex by Madison Avenue and the entertainment industry, and the legalizing of abortions in the early seventies, sites like Ashley Madison that are pulling huge numbers. Lets not deny it, there are a portion of Christians who are involved in these things.
We're supposed to be the salt and light.
The implications of multiple sex partners and sexually deviant behavior become apparent as one becomes more experienced in life, and their walk with Jesus deepens. Thank God that He can and is willing the reverse and repair a lot of the damage inflicted on the soul, mind, and body; He restores the time the Canker worm and Palmer worm have eaten.
But the scars remain, to one degree or another.
The legalizing of gay marriage was just the next logical footstep in a public exhibition of what the outspoken and media controlled liberal culture has already yearned inwardly. Sin destroys, and in its desirous lust and selfishness will seek to seduce and /or devour anything, anyone, and everything that stands in its way.
The direction we are headed, gay marriage will one day seem relatively tame. I don't even want to discuss here what the next frontier of publicly endorsed sexual immorality may possibly be. Don't be naive to the possibility. It is already being openly discussed in France.
If we as Christians had not compromised ourselves to the degree we have, if we had not grown so comfortable in our materialism, if we had prayed and studied the bible more, and done more to spread Gods word, society may not be where it is today.
Unless it was a rhetorical question, as a conversation starter, to suggest that a Christian could even consider for more then maybe a moment if he or she could endorse gay marriage is outside the bounds of our manifest.
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eternally-gratefull
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Can A Christian endorse murder, Adultery or coveting?
And we have 4 yes? The church is slipping!!
And we have 4 yes? The church is slipping!!
Endorsing something and just letting people have the freedom to do as they choose are two entirely different things. I don't agree with drinking alcohol but I'm not going to stop some one else from doing it just because I don't believe in it. I'm not that self absorbed to tell someone.... hey you can't do that because I don't believe in it. It would be like a Muslim telling me I can't eat a pork chop because it's against his religion.
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ramx2016
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AMEN to that!!
Problem ONE - there is NO "The Church" but 1000 variations of the intended Church...
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thepsalmist
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A Christian cannot endorse Gay marriage.
A Christian cannot endorse homosexuality ... PERIOD.
but ... having said that:
REV 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
A Christian cannot endorse homosexuality ... PERIOD.
but ... having said that:
REV 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
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kaylagrl
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