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eternally-gratefull
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This guys is sadly mistaken, And uninformed.
If eternal security is based on obedience, No one would EVER be secure, Because no one can be "Obedient" according to Gods standard.
James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
It is Christ who removed the curse, not our obedience,
Galatians 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),
Christ took all that was against us (the curse of the law) and nailed it to the cross.
Colossians 2:14
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Gods children are considered obedient because they do not live like the world. And take Gods love and share it with others. But security can never be based on obedience, because only Christ walked in a manner worthy of Gods love (WHo is Good but God"
people who teach this must
1. Water down the law. so they can even have the ability to think they are obedient (the Pharisee did this, as do most religious, works based churches)
2. Hide their sin, become two faced, as they live a double life, one in private full of sin, and one in public, for the world to see.
3. Judgmental. Guilt has them so deep. they have to judge people who are worse than they are.. or at the least, hang out with people who commit their "sin of choice" so they do not feel so guilty..
what you will never see, is the sincere love of God, and hope that is, or at least should be, the foundation of all children of God.
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roaringkitten
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My redemption is eternal redemption, as Jesus is the captain of my salvation(Heb 2:10).
"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Heb 9:12
I am safe in His blood, for His blood is eternal(Rev 19:13). His blood and grace teaches me to serve the living God(Heb 9:14, Titus 2:11-14), and because of His blood sacrifice, I strive to present my body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God which is my reasonable service(Rom 12:1-2). My eternal destiny is secure, not because of what I've done, but because of who He is....He clothed me with the garments of salvation, covered with the robe of righteousness(Isa 61:10), which is His righteousness. I am complete in Him. My salvation is not temporary but complete as it was promised to us since before the world began(Titus 1:2).
"And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Col 2:10
"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord." 1 Cor 1:30-31
"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Heb 9:12
I am safe in His blood, for His blood is eternal(Rev 19:13). His blood and grace teaches me to serve the living God(Heb 9:14, Titus 2:11-14), and because of His blood sacrifice, I strive to present my body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God which is my reasonable service(Rom 12:1-2). My eternal destiny is secure, not because of what I've done, but because of who He is....He clothed me with the garments of salvation, covered with the robe of righteousness(Isa 61:10), which is His righteousness. I am complete in Him. My salvation is not temporary but complete as it was promised to us since before the world began(Titus 1:2).
"And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Col 2:10
"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord." 1 Cor 1:30-31
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coby
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Don't agree. They're always evangelists full of compassion for souls who totally lay their life down. Steve Hill for example.
This is about a lifestyle of sin and the warning texts of Paul, not an accidental sin. He came to set us free from sin, because we can't do it. If you give up He can do it and you go from Romans 7 to Romans 8.
This guy is full of love:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Fo3BN1m7M
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coby
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Eternal security is an anchor beyond the veil that never moves.
Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath: That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 6:17-20
Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath: That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 6:17-20
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roaringkitten
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Eternal security is obedience
"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Rom 5:19
Who is this "one" referring to in the highlighted portion of Scripture above?
"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Rom 5:19
Who is this "one" referring to in the highlighted portion of Scripture above?
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coby
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But you also say you're not eternally secure if you fall away I thought. Maybe the title isn't good, he called it conditional eternal security, if you stay in the faith and don't fall back, thus all those warnings to examine yourself and not fall back.
Imagine what kind of theology you'd come up with if you were an unrepentant murderer of Christ's brothers.
Take John Calvin, for instance...
Take John Calvin, for instance...
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coby
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I can see from the article that this man does know about true righteousness which is in Christ alone....here is the quote from the article....he is a works-based salvationists teacher.
QUOTE:
The righteous are warned not to turn from their righteousness and do iniquity. If he die in his sins, all his righteousness shall not be remembered"..Unquote
His understanding of Hebrews 9:5 ..to those "that obey Him" is really off the mark. ( We obey Christ when we believe on Him for salvation - not our works to keep ourselves saved )
Receiving Christ is obedience to the faith and this gives us eternal salvation based on Him alone.
Receiving this eternal salvation isn’t based on us obeying all the laws and commands of God. Jesus did that for us. We simply have to obey the one command of God to confess Jesus as our Lord and believe He is risen from the dead...and of course once we are new creations in Him...His love for others flows out of us as fruit...but it is His fruit that is bearing...branches do not "produce" fruit..they "bear" them.
That's my take on the article.
QUOTE:
The righteous are warned not to turn from their righteousness and do iniquity. If he die in his sins, all his righteousness shall not be remembered"..Unquote
His understanding of Hebrews 9:5 ..to those "that obey Him" is really off the mark. ( We obey Christ when we believe on Him for salvation - not our works to keep ourselves saved )
Receiving Christ is obedience to the faith and this gives us eternal salvation based on Him alone.
Receiving this eternal salvation isn’t based on us obeying all the laws and commands of God. Jesus did that for us. We simply have to obey the one command of God to confess Jesus as our Lord and believe He is risen from the dead...and of course once we are new creations in Him...His love for others flows out of us as fruit...but it is His fruit that is bearing...branches do not "produce" fruit..they "bear" them.
That's my take on the article.
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There's only one way to hold on to the anchor: faith. Detach the anchor and all hope is lost. Your thread title is fine.
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eternally-gratefull
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I am sorry,
It is one thing to preach obedience, 99.9 percent of the churches do this.
It is a far other thing to claim security is based on obedience. There is no security in obedience, for the reasons I stated.
Why is it no one every wants to comment on the meat of my argument?
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eternally-gratefull
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The article makes the bible contradict itself He did not solve contradiction, He attempted to insert works into Grace, Which is a false gospel. and offers absolutely no hope at all.
No hope = no faith.
ps. I can act loving, It does not mean I am.
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eternally-gratefull
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The bolded part. That is the BASIS for eternal security. the foundation, the cornerstone, the rock, the HOPE of which God ,who can not lie, Promised before time began.
Are we going to put our faith based on our hope in Christ,
Or in our obedience (self)?
You could make your love and faith "complete" with good works ...by sending me your wallet with that $100 bucks in it..
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eternally-gratefull
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conditional eternal security.
Now there is a contradiction of terms
You can have eternal security
or you can have conditional security
You can not have both. One means forever, never can be lost. One means no assurance, can be lost.
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eternally-gratefull
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smh
Yep. Lets have FAITH in self (our ability to be obedient)
And not faith in God.
There is hope in that (smh again and again)
