Eternal security is obedience

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Budman

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All through Scripture Salvation is presented as a gift from God.

If salvation is predicated on our obedience, then one thing is for certain:

A gift it is not.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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coby said:
Listen to John and a preacher on another forum who hasn't committed one sin since he saw Jesus 30 years ago. He says anyone who sins is from the devil.
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Well according to The Apostle John, He (that John) is a liar and is self decieved.

So I have a question. what does this have to do with the question I asked?

Can you answer or not?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Grace777x70 said:
Do you have Vine's Dictionary of NT words?..it explains it in there...but the greek words are [FONT=&quot]kainos[/FONT]. and [FONT=&quot]neos....

Here is what Vine says about 2 Cot 5:17 "new"

denotes "new," of that which is unaccustomed or unused, not "new" in time, recent, but "new" as to form or quality, of different nature from what is contrasted as old.Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

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ok that says new creation. We are not talking about the new creation, but the new spirit.
 
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thepsalmist

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I was investigating the greek work Kainos that ezekiel uses in 36:26

It's the same "NEW" that Jesus uses in this parable:

""But no one puts a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and a worse tear results. 17"Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wineskins burst, and the wine pours out and the wineskins are ruined; but they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved." MATT 9:17

Was he referring to a whole new wineskin - or a recycled one?

 
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Grace777x70

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Thayer has "kainos" in 2Cort. 5:17 ...it's all good..ne have a new creation in our spirit that was dead in trespasses and sins.

b. as respects substance; “of a new kind; unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of

Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.


eternally-gratefull said:

I just want to know what word in what context you are using, You said it means new kind. Where?
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eternally-gratefull

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thepsalmist said:
I was investigating the greek work Kainos that ezekiel uses in 36:26

It's the same "NEW" that Jesus uses in this parable:

""But no one puts a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and a worse tear results. 17"Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wineskins burst, and the wine pours out and the wineskins are ruined; but they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved." MATT 9:17
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Was that a new spirit (new as in never before)

and what spirit was he talking about?

Or was it having your human spirit renewed,
 
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thepsalmist

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Our spirit is made a NEW spirit in the same way that they would use a FRESH wineskin for new wine.

Both instances use the same greek word: Kainos
 
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coby

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Budman said:
All through Scripture Salvation is presented as a gift from God.

If salvation is predicated on our obedience, then one thing is for certain:

A gift it is not.
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I give you a bike. You decide to throw it in the ditch. Gone is the perfectly good bike.
 
Grace777x70

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It is the human spirit being made "new" when we receive Christ..our human spirit is renewed...re-created is another term..being born again.......we had a spirit that was in Adam but now we have a new spirit created in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (NASB)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.



eternally-gratefull said:
Was that a new spirit (new as in never before)

and what spirit was he talking about?

Or was it having your human spirit renewed,
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eternally-gratefull said:
Was that a new spirit (new as in never before)

and what spirit was he talking about?

Or was it having your human spirit renewed,
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To me he is saying we don't patch up old wineskins but we use new ones - for new wine.
To me this means he didn't patch up our old spirit but gave us a new one - for new heart.

Ezekiel 36:26King James Version (KJV)

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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thepsalmist said:
Our spirit is made a NEW spirit in the same way that they would use a FRESH wineskin for new wine.

Both instances use the same greek word: Kainos
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ok thanks, We finally got it figured out..

 
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eternally-gratefull

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Grace777x70 said:
It is the human spirit being made "new" when we receive Christ..our human spirit is renewed...re-created is another term..being born again.......we had a spirit that was in Adam but now we have a new spirit created in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (NASB)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
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This is Jesus spirit..lol He became a life giving spirit.. AMEN..
 
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Because of the offer and looking at the snake on the pole: believing our sin nature died with Christ, we can be set free from sin. That's why He came, to set us free from sin. Keeping yourself pure is making a choice.

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.*14*For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
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Oooooooooo bad to the bone girl.

Hit the like button everyone. Do it

DO IT

NOW.
 
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coby

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eternally-gratefull said:
Well according to The Apostle John, He (that John) is a liar and is self decieved.

So I have a question. what does this have to do with the question I asked?

Can you answer or not?
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absolutely no idea, I don't follow it anymore.
 
JennaLeanne

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Ephesians 2:8 You are saved by grace through faith.. Not of your own doing, but a gift from God.. I believe when we truly accept Jesus as our Lord and savior we are saved. The holy spirit leads us into all truth, we are to be sensitive and open to his leading. I dont believe for one minute we are "saved" through obedience. We are all doomed otherwise.
 
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John146

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Bad example but the bike would still belong to the owner who threw it in the ditch. It doesn't cease to be his bike.

coby said:
I give you a bike. You decide to throw it in the ditch. Gone is the perfectly good bike.
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eternally-gratefull

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coby said:
absolutely no idea, I don't follow it anymore.
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so you can not answer what the difference between salvation and sanctification is.

or why John said whoever is born of God can not live in sin?

I am confused :(

follow what? that thread? You would be good to stay away from it, and all perfectionists.. They are evil, as evil as legalists..

 
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coby

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eternally-gratefull said:
so you can not answer what the difference between salvation and sanctification is.

or why John said whoever is born of God can not live in sin?

I am confused :(

follow what? that thread? You would be good to stay away from it, and all perfectionists.. They are evil, as evil as legalists..

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I thought I answered that question that your soul gets holy and set free from bondages.
Who is born from God can go live in sin and then he's not saved anymore. I was saved and I first didn't live in sin until my ex dumped me. Then I didn't care anymore, so I simply fell back and lived in darkness and converted again like the lost son.
 
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