If homosexuality is an abomination to God, why do some Christians support it?

[hornetguy]

That comment in red is absolute hogwash!! Homosexuals cannot become saved if they don't know God, nor can a homosexual be a christian. Homosexuals don't know God, or they would not even entertain the idea of turning gay. I have yet to meet a christian homosexual, and I know ALOT of gay people. Oh and alcoholics do NOT take another drink "by mistake". That's ludicrous. They know full well what they're doing, as do homosexuals. :/

It's good that you are so sure about this.
Perhaps you should work with some alcoholics, or addicts, and learn something. When an alcoholic stumbles, it's a MISTAKE... or..hmmmm.... a SIN. NO recovering alcoholic sits around and says.... "you know, I've been clean for a couple of years now, I think I'll just go twist off tonight..."

Doesn't happen that way. They have a disease, or a sickness, an addiction, that MAKES them prone to mess up. Saying that just because they repented and were saved, they should never slip up again? Same with a homosexual that is trying to change. Same with a gossip that is trying to change.

Are you intent on casting that first stone?

 

[Dude653]

It's good that you are so sure about this.
Perhaps you should work with some alcoholics, or addicts, and learn something. When an alcoholic stumbles, it's a MISTAKE... or..hmmmm.... a SIN. NO recovering alcoholic sits around and says.... "you know, I've been clean for a couple of years now, I think I'll just go twist off tonight..."

Doesn't happen that way. They have a disease, or a sickness, an addiction, that MAKES them prone to mess up. Saying that just because they repented and were saved, they should never slip up again? Same with a homosexual that is trying to change. Same with a gossip that is trying to change.

Are you intent on casting that first stone?

im a recovered alcoholic, sober 10 years but you never know what circumstances might tempt me to return to drinking

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I must admit, on occasion, I've tried to justify myself with scripture. "Drink a little wine for thy stomachs sake" is a good one for getting loaded . And "Thou shalt not steal" certainly can't apply to a hungry person stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family . "Seek and ye shall find" often has us finding what suits us, and we inevitably interpret verses to excuse what's actually written in favor of what we want or think. Thereby, guilt goes out the door and presto, we're justified

Been there myself. It is quite easy..

 

[blue_ladybug]

It's good that you are so sure about this.
Perhaps you should work with some alcoholics, or addicts, and learn something. When an alcoholic stumbles, it's a MISTAKE... or..hmmmm.... a SIN. NO recovering alcoholic sits around and says.... "you know, I've been clean for a couple of years now, I think I'll just go twist off tonight..."

Doesn't happen that way. They have a disease, or a sickness, an addiction, that MAKES them prone to mess up. Saying that just because they repented and were saved, they should never slip up again? Same with a homosexual that is trying to change. Same with a gossip that is trying to change.

Are you intent on casting that first stone?

Not casting stones, just making a comment. I don't believe that an alcoholic who takes a drink, does it by mistake. They know full well what they're doing. So they can't really claim it was a mistake, but they CAN say they slipped up, but deliberately, not by mistake. A mistake would be if they drank something that they didn't know had alcohol in it, such as if someone poured it in without their knowlege.. I also don't believe that a homo who knows their lifestyle is wrong, yet refuses to repent, is living that life by mistake. Once again they know it's sin and they carry on anyway. I'm all for sinners who repent. It's the ones who don't that I take issue with.

 

[blue_ladybug]

im a recovered alcoholic, sober 10 years but you never know what circumstances might tempt me to return to drinking

​Congrats, and may you stay strong.

 

[lastofall]

Because they are not true Christians, that is, they are not yet in Christ, either by their own doing, or by believing a lie: for if they were true Christians, they would not support sin; for Christ is not the minister of sin.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Homos don't turn gay "by mistake". Something in their lives happens to make them feel that being gay is all right. They make a DELIBERATE decision to go from liking the opposite sex, to lusting after their same sex. It ain't done by mistake. They're fully cognizant of what they're doing.

 

[hornetguy]

Not casting stones, just making a comment. I don't believe that an alcoholic who takes a drink, does it by mistake. They know full well what they're doing. So they can't really claim it was a mistake, but they CAN say they slipped up, but deliberately, not by mistake. A mistake would be if they drank something that they didn't know had alcohol in it, such as if someone poured it in without their knowlege.. I also don't believe that a homo who knows their lifestyle is wrong, yet refuses to repent, is living that life by mistake. Once again they know it's sin and they carry on anyway. I'm all for sinners who repent. It's the ones who don't that I take issue with.

That makes more sense... I agree with you on most of it.

What I call making a mistake is what you call a deliberate slipup. I think we're arguing semantics. If an alcoholic takes a drink, he deliberately does it, but it's caused by his disease.. his weakness. Some folks are better at always saying "no" to their strongest temptations, but they wouldn't be called temptations, or failures, or sins if they were easy to never do again.
A recovering homosexual is the same way. Or a recovering sexaholic, or a recovering gambler....

 

[wolfwint]

I can proclaim to the whole world that I'm a vegan.
I can go to vegan rallies, wear vegan t-shirts, hang out with vegans and chat about vegan things.
I can even believe I'm a vegan!

... then I can leave my vegan fellowship, go home, slaughter a cow in my basement and eat it raw.

My point being that not all people who claim they are Christians are truly Christians or hold Christian beliefs.

I would agree with you. Germany should be a christian country, but only around 2-3% are born again christians. The most are name christians, as i was before. And our protestant church is (mostly, not all) very liberal, so that they accept even homosexuell pastors.
But the bible is clear concern homosexuallity. And you can only agree with homosexuality if you deny the scripture.

 

[bikerchaz]

Still waiting for a reply to my question, Magenta...

Do you believe Jesus approves of homosexual behavior?

Sorry I am going to jump in here, your badgering of Magenta is childish to say the least. Her stated opinion was that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality within the written accounts of His life. And it is not recorded that he did so. To use this as a reason to bash her over the head and say that she is saying 'Jesus condones it through her omission of saying otherwise, is so silly.
Yes Jesus, the Living word of God, the creator, He who holds all things and keeps them in place for His will, does not condone it, He abhors it, He will not stand for it to be in the light of His being. Magenta has already said similar, READ THE POSTS!!!
For you to keep coming back to this is offensive, I feel you antagonism toward a sister in Christ and your belligerence when trying to make a point and get 'one over' on someone who is in Christ.
Paul wrote to the Galatians
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]15 [/SUP]If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
this same chapter also includes
So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[SUP][c][/SUP] you want. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. [SUP]19 [/SUP]The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions [SUP]21 [/SUP]and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
I feel that there is some 'provoking' going on lets put a stop to it and love each other, like we are told to.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sorry I am going to jump in here, your badgering of Magenta is childish to say the least. Her stated opinion was that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality within the written accounts of His life. And it is not recorded that he did so. To use this as a reason to bash her over the head and say that she is saying 'Jesus condones it through her omission of saying otherwise, is so silly.
Yes Jesus, the Living word of God, the creator, He who holds all things and keeps them in place for His will, does not condone it, He abhors it, He will not stand for it to be in the light of His being. Magenta has already said similar, READ THE POSTS!!!
For you to keep coming back to this is offensive, I feel you antagonism toward a sister in Christ and your belligerence when trying to make a point and get 'one over' on someone who is in Christ.
Paul wrote to the Galatians
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]15 [/SUP]If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
this same chapter also includes
So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[SUP][c][/SUP] you want. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. [SUP]19 [/SUP]The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions [SUP]21 [/SUP]and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
I feel that there is some 'provoking' going on lets put a stop to it and love each other, like we are told to.

Quote "Sorry I am going to jump in here, your badgering of Magenta is childish to say the least. Her stated opinion was that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality within the written accounts of His life. And it is not recorded that he did so. To use this as a reason to bash her over the head and say that she is saying 'Jesus condones it through her omission of saying otherwise, is so silly.
Yes Jesus, the Living word of God, the creator, He who holds all things and keeps them in place for His will, does not condone it, He abhors it, He will not stand for it to be in the light of His being. Magenta has already said similar, READ THE POSTS!!!"

I'm sorry but that is unfair and untrue. I haven't a thing against Magenta. But she kept coming back with the same silly argument. She kept telling Blue to give a Scripture where Jesus said homosexuality was wrong.Then when myself and Budman and Blue said that God said it was wrong in the OT so,in essence Jesus said it because God/Jesus are in total agreement Magenta refused to accept that and kept up the silly argument. As I said to her "you are being obtuse". All she had to say to stop the back and forth was that yes homosexuality is wrong because God said it was wrong. God/Jesus are in 100% agreement. But she refused to accept that so she kept up the banter. So no one was trying to "get one over" on Magenta. She was rude to other posters and continued to banter back that Jesus never spoke the words "homosexuality is wrong" So what was her point? Other posters were right in saying God said it therefore its as wrong in the NT as the OT.Then she called posters who didn't agree with her bigots. So really Magenta doesn't need you backing her up. She kept up the banter,insulted posters and kept up a silly argument. Budmans point was right and for some reason Magenta didn't want to agree that God/Jesus are in 100% agreement. Still haven't figured out why she kept up the silly argument.But she wasn't in the right.

 

[blue_ladybug]

It isn't our fault if some people can't accept that Jesus DID speak on the subject of homosexuality. It's true, whether they believe it or not. Every word in the bible was spoken by God or Jesus, and it ain't our problem if some people here don't believe that. :/

 

[kaylagrl]

It isn't our fault if some people can't accept that Jesus DID speak on the subject of homosexuality. It's true, whether they believe it or not. Every word in the bible was spoken by God or Jesus, and it ain't our problem if some people here don't believe that. :/

Or if they continue to banter over the topic.

 

[Utah]

im a recovered alcoholic, sober 10 years but you never know what circumstances might tempt me to return to drinking

President Trump?

 

[tanakh]

If you attack a persons lifestyle the one you attack is more likely to give a negative response. Has anyone on site know or have heard of one Homosexual who has become 'Straight' after having his or her sexual orientation/lifestyle condemned with
quotes from Scripture?

 

[blue_ladybug]

If you attack a persons lifestyle the one you attack is more likely to give a negative response. Has anyone on site know or have heard of one Homosexual who has become 'Straight' after having his or her sexual orientation/lifestyle condemned with
quotes from Scripture?

IMO, people living that lifestyle SHOULD be condemned with scripture. They SHOULD be told their lifestyle will send them to hell, unless they repent. Homos see nothing wrong with being gay, they still see it as normal love, except it's love for the same sex. That's what my 2 gay neighbors say, anyway. :/ They're always calling each other "honey" and "dear". AWKWARD..

 

[Utah]

If you attack a persons lifestyle the one you attack is more likely to give a negative response. Has anyone on site know or have heard of one Homosexual who has become 'Straight' after having his or her sexual orientation/lifestyle condemned with
quotes from Scripture?

Yeraza_Bats may be able to answer your question with great clarity.

 

[phil112]

[h=2]If homosexuality is an abomination to God, why do some Christians support it? [/h]

Because they aren't Christian.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I Agree.

I also understand Jesus was the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob.

And he in his diety, gave moses the law. verbatum.

So to say Jesu sdid not condemn homosexuality or any other sin, is to say Jesus was not God.

Jesus is God.

The Scriptures are God-breathed (inspired).

Thus, every word in the Bible was spoken by Jesus.

Very simple.

This is getting so old. God and Jesus are in complete agreement. It doesn't have to come out of Jesus mouth. Its a fact,period,end of sentence. They are in 100% complete agreement or they are both liars.

You know, you guys, I had a rather lengthy message typed up--expressing my frustrations with your responses in this thread, but I think this quote by 'Unknown' (possibly Roosevelt) is sufficient:

"No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care."


- When folks read this thread, will they see the 1 Cor 13?

 

[jennymae]

It's my opinion that gay people have been given a cross they will be carrying throughout their lives. I don't believe they can change. It's the will of the Lord. The Lord has created them as such for some reason. We don't know that reason. The only thing we can do is praying for them. Forcing repentance on them is of no use. Bashing them is pure hatred and is a sin too. It's all to the Lord...there's nothing we can do...and we should stop adding to their burden. I know a lot of people believes that they have chosen their lifestyle, I don't believe that, it's hard too believe that anybody, voluntarily would choose to be that way.