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[jasonj]

In every groups of churches there are believers and un-believers..The wheat and the tares are always together. Jesus spoke in Revelation to the wheat and to the tares. It takes the Holy Spirit to give us understanding of who was being talked to in these scriptures.

I agree and would say it takes the holy spirit, and our submission to it for every aspect in Gods Kingdom. the trouble is that the spirit of God doesn't live in constant contention with itself, where the spirit Lives and rules is peace and harmony. The contention comes from the learning of man without the spirits wisdom. we do not follow a set of rules written to the human mind as in times long ago before the Kingdom of God was freely offered by the King Himself. We Live and understand the kingdom of God given to those who accept the spirits guidance and superiority to our own mind and heart. if all sides and all contending beliefs claim the truth and all claim to be lead and taught by the spirit of Christ.....because Jesus refers to himself in these scriptures as the king and also about His return and his glory we know clearly he is speaking of those who belong to the kingdom of God. Ive heard so many angles on these scriptures, each to the point that He didn't really mean we need to care for one another.....these from the same kind who claim perfect obedience to each detail, and claim to teach others about truth. God bless you my friend

 

[BeyondET]

wow guys, 144 replies at least half pointless arguing? I read every one thanks for the responses. I feel I need to say a few things. I do not claim to be a teacher, to be honest with you, I do not know what I am, but I am assured completely that God knows every detail of who I was, who I am now and who I will be for eternity. I have not said that anyone should "throw truth away and hold hands ect...." I left a few thoughts, to hopefully inspire some sort of thought in even one person. and I stand by every word I left. I found many wonderful responses and appreciated every person that took time to respond whether I agreed or not. I have attacked no one, labeled no one and in full truth any label or attack or disagreement with my original post means nothing to me, I am defined by Christ, and his approval is all I seek. My points in this post when 2 or more believers are reading and quoting the same scriptures, and that leads to unwise arguing there is no fruit to be had. A greater point, if we spend our lives arguing and discussing scripture without applying the teachings of Christ to our Lives, there will be no reward waiting even if you quote word and verse entirely. infact the more scripture you know, or claim to know, the more abligated you are to live them. The largest point here was this : When the day comes when we stand before Jesus Chist to receive the rewards we believe in He will have one statement did you Love others as I have taught you to Love others? come you who are blessed by my Father and take your inheritance for when I was hungry, you gave me something to eat. when I was thirsty, you gave me something to eat, when I was a stranger, when I had no clothes, you gave me clothes...you invited me in ect... in short....did you truly Love others?" before this begins another fruitless debate, those are thw words of Christ, and all the knowledgable people on scripture should heed your own words about scripture being the truth, the words Of Jesus Christ being the truth. If He gives a clear statement such as He has done here now who will go find a list of scriptures that deny His words and twist to fit our own beliefs that obviously don't believe in caring for the needy? I assure you I have heard every argument to this. the major point I left here is without true Love, we have deceived ourselves with all our great learning. If you claim to be something special in Christ I would ask "what do you do for those who have need all around us in the world?" do you spend your time with the world arguing to remove the little help the government gives the poor? do you suppose empty words or mass amounts of scripture will replace the truth? wich is to Love one another? In the examination of your own self first, find that you truly care enough for another, before you consider yourself a teacher or leader of the Church. If you know scripture, it isn't necessarily a calling to teach the gospel, but when the scripture gives you Life, when you are living the scriptures you quote........then you will be able to find what you are truly called to do in Him. maybe we all aren't teachers? maybe the best way to share the truth of the gospel, is to tangibly help others in the name of Love. maybe a man of wealth is called to be generous? maybe a person who is very organized is called to be in administration? maybe those with great faith should be laying hands on the sick? maybe each and every one of us are called to one thing...to love those who do not have love in this world. without Gods true Love, all the scripture we quote and debate and argue over doesn't make a church, but a divided kingdom no different than the world. I'm sure ive missed someones response, just to clarify, I hoped to get someone to think about our own actions and life ...."am I really living the gospel?" if not it may be wise to not presume myself a teacher full of Knowledge. God bless you and I am in no way offended by anything anyone said, I hope if ive offended you, you will forgive that. God bless you in the abundance of Christ.....the power of the gospel to reach people is in the truth of Love for one another. again tho lol I'm just a believer do not in anyway consider myself to be something I am not, I only know that I belong to the one who lived and died for me.

Hey Jasonj First and for most I can tell you have a kind loving good heart and like us all from time to time we all can be disappointed discouraged with things around us it's takes a lot to be calm collective though sometimes it helps just to tell it like it is, a thing called tuff love can have a profound affect in change for the good then beating around the bush. Though it was Just what Jesus did by turning over tables I think it still showed his human side his tuff love side. Jesus didn't sin but he was human also and vulnerable to physical harm like us all.

hopefully I haven't took your original post as a departure thread please excuse/forgive me if It Wasn't but I haven't seen a statement disputing the matter. I only posted because I got the departure vibe because of wording (if I don't see ya'll again) and probably still feel that way for what I bolden n underlined in this post sorry if I seem to be nit picking but you diffently inspired me in thought rather it's positive or not to you I don't know.

Maybe why I'm still posting and nit picking is because this has happen in my life very loving gestures but in between the lines really the person felt another way. the person beated around the bush probably because the person didn't want to be hurtful but in the end it still hurt and ended up being alittle insulting also so I was left with two issues.

Speaking of me only I haven't been discieved about helping others for I think it should be a inward joy not a outward joy in anyway shape or form. In my view We as people can only appreciate something when it does mean something to us no matter if we agree or not, hurtful or not, False or true, right or wrong.

 

[jasonj]

Hey Jasonj First and for most I can tell you have a kind loving good heart and like us all from time to time we all can be disappointed discouraged with things around us it's takes a lot to be calm collective though sometimes it helps just to tell it like it is, a thing called tuff love can have a profound affect in change for the good then beating around the bush. Though it was Just what Jesus did by turning over tables I think it still showed his human side his tuff love side. Jesus didn't sin but he was human also and vulnerable to physical harm like us all.

hopefully I haven't took your original post as a departure thread please excuse/forgive me if It Wasn't but I haven't seen a statement disputing the matter. I only posted because I got the departure vibe because of wording (if I don't see ya'll again) and probably still feel that way for what I bolden n underlined in this post sorry if I seem to be nit picking but you diffently inspired me in thought rather it's positive or not to you I don't know.

Maybe why I'm still posting and nit picking is because this has happen in my life very loving gestures but in between the lines really the person felt another way. the person beated around the bush probably because the person didn't want to be hurtful but in the end it still hurt and ended up being alittle insulting also so I was left with two issues.

Speaking of me only I haven't been discieved about helping others for I think it should be a inward joy not a outward joy in anyway shape or form. In my view We as people can only appreciate something when it does mean something to us no matter if we agree or not, hurtful or not, False or true, right or wrong.

bro I am in no way offended, there is nothing to forgive. I have and will never post something directed at any person nor do I take offense at anyones words. when I said if I see you again, possibly I should have worded it if God is willing. I wrote that because I am not sure what tomorrow will bring ever. The thoughts I left in the op, again were to hopefully get someone to think of unity, in the manner of "what is really worth arguing in the family of Christ?" Unity is part of this whole thing, the world is united against the church and the church is in at least part very divided and against each other as well. if someone is preaching and the teachings of Christ are not acknowledged, something is very wrong.

can I ask what you mean by " helping others should be an inward joy and not outward in any way shape or form?" I think I understand but would rather hear you expound a bit on that, thank you and God bless you

 

[jasonj]

Hey Jasonj First and for most I can tell you have a kind loving good heart and like us all from time to time we all can be disappointed discouraged with things around us it's takes a lot to be calm collective though sometimes it helps just to tell it like it is, a thing called tuff love can have a profound affect in change for the good then beating around the bush. Though it was Just what Jesus did by turning over tables I think it still showed his human side his tuff love side. Jesus didn't sin but he was human also and vulnerable to physical harm like us all.

hopefully I haven't took your original post as a departure thread please excuse/forgive me if It Wasn't but I haven't seen a statement disputing the matter. I only posted because I got the departure vibe because of wording (if I don't see ya'll again) and probably still feel that way for what I bolden n underlined in this post sorry if I seem to be nit picking but you diffently inspired me in thought rather it's positive or not to you I don't know.

Maybe why I'm still posting and nit picking is because this has happen in my life very loving gestures but in between the lines really the person felt another way. the person beated around the bush probably because the person didn't want to be hurtful but in the end it still hurt and ended up being alittle insulting also so I was left with two issues.

Speaking of me only I haven't been discieved about helping others for I think it should be a inward joy not a outward joy in anyway shape or form. In my view We as people can only appreciate something when it does mean something to us no matter if we agree or not, hurtful or not, False or true, right or wrong.

I would also real quick say that Jesus is Just in all he did, that doesn't necessarily give us authority to go to someones church and because we disagree with a practice start flipping tables over ect.... Jesus Is the son of God, the king. He has the authority over all the church, we, no matter what we consider ourselves are a part of the Church. If I went to a church and actually have went to a church where someone was selling their "teachings" and dvds ect......I simply left because I was offended by the message and also the fact that I do not believe selling things should be done in a church, or even a sales pitch be made ect. But Like scripture says, often it is best to keep what I believe about certain things between myself and God.

 

[BeyondET]

bro I am in no way offended, there is nothing to forgive. I have and will never post something directed at any person nor do I take offense at anyones words. when I said if I see you again, possibly I should have worded it if God is willing. I wrote that because I am not sure what tomorrow will bring ever. The thoughts I left in the op, again were to hopefully get someone to think of unity, in the manner of "what is really worth arguing in the family of Christ?" Unity is part of this whole thing, the world is united against the church and the church is in at least part very divided and against each other as well. if someone is preaching and the teachings of Christ are not acknowledged, something is very wrong.

can I ask what you mean by " helping others should be an inward joy and not outward in any way shape or form?" I think I understand but would rather hear you expound a bit on that, thank you and God bless you

i know you wouldn't direct to any one person, true indeed wording is fragile if you had said if God willing see you tomorrow or just leave that part out I won't have thought anything of it. Maybe it's just me because I've experience these suddle statements in my life only to be another statement. Yes pointless arguing for days or weeks or years etc. is fruitless at some point either person got say whatever it's cool now let's go have lunch or in a church setting a person just has to find another church. The bible mentions only half go up a divided group not all people.

inward joy meaning just that no need to tell anyone about doing things for other.

can I ask you a question have you been thinking of leaving CC just curious.

 

[BeyondET]

I would also real quick say that Jesus is Just in all he did, that doesn't necessarily give us authority to go to someones church and because we disagree with a practice start flipping tables over ect.... Jesus Is the son of God, the king. He has the authority over all the church, we, no matter what we consider ourselves are a part of the Church. If I went to a church and actually have went to a church where someone was selling their "teachings" and dvds ect......I simply left because I was offended by the message and also the fact that I do not believe selling things should be done in a church, or even a sales pitch be made ect. But Like scripture says, often it is best to keep what I believe about certain things between myself and God.

Your a better man then me lol if I feel strongly on Gods position on things I will flip a table over

This may make no sense at all but in some way that makes me Know my enemies if I can flip a table but yet the person or people can still except me I know their my true friend.

 

[jasonj]

i know you wouldn't direct to any one person, true indeed wording is fragile if you had said if God willing see you tomorrow or just leave that part out I won't have thought anything of it. Maybe it's just me because I've experience these suddle statements in my life only to be another statement. Yes pointless arguing for days or weeks or years etc. is fruitless at some point either person got say whatever it's cool now let's go have lunch or in a church setting a person just has to find another church. The bible mentions only half go up a divided group not all people.

inward joy meaning just that no need to tell anyone about doing things for other.

can I ask you a question have you been thinking of leaving CC just curious.

Bro, I did say what I had to say, I always do if I feel someone needs to hear it. maybe each person should be taken as they are and not measured against past experiences with other Christians. and I agree there is no need and actually we are told to do things quietly for others so I cant disagree. ive only been here for maybe 2 months I come and go. I cant say ill be back here ever again after today, I may walk outside and fall over or lose my arms ect....who knows what tomorrow will bring. its passed through my mind a few times wondering if there was any fruit to be had, this original post though was what it was. if I did wish to depart with a statement such as this though.......how is that offensive to you?

 

[jasonj]

Your a better man then me lol if I feel strongly on Gods position on things I will flip a table over

This may make no sense at all but in some way that makes me Know my enemies if I can flip a table but yet the person or people can still except me I know their my true friend.

well I'm certainly not your judge or accuser, I gotta just go with what I believe as you go with your faith, either way, we both belong to God because of what Jesus has done.......and that is to my original point. If we share the bond of Christ, you flip a table and I don't......whats greater? the bond and unity in Christ wich all believers share? or the details like whether to flip a table or not??? God bless you

 

[Depleted]

Where you are missing it is that men with titles pulling tithes are false shepherds. But you won't study the scriptures I submit. You believe the guy behind the pulpit more than God.

Nah. Never missed your spiel.

 

[Depleted]

How much money do you give to the church to do Gods work?

Just asking, Because Gods work is not cheap..

Don't be afraid, God does not need your money, (oh wait it is not yours to begin with) He will still get his job done whether you support it or not.

And no, I am not talking about filling some pastors pockets up.. Not all churches do this.. You are just wrong..

Nuts! So either you ignored my reply or dismissed. S'alright. I don't really expect the Phillies to win the World Series either. Optimistic hope, but not expected.

 

[Depleted]

wow guys, 144 replies at least half pointless arguing? I read every one thanks for the responses. I feel I need to say a few things. I do not claim to be a teacher, to be honest with you, I do not know what I am, but I am assured completely that God knows every detail of who I was, who I am now and who I will be for eternity. I have not said that anyone should "throw truth away and hold hands ect...." I left a few thoughts, to hopefully inspire some sort of thought in even one person. and I stand by every word I left. I found many wonderful responses and appreciated every person that took time to respond whether I agreed or not. I have attacked no one, labeled no one and in full truth any label or attack or disagreement with my original post means nothing to me, I am defined by Christ, and his approval is all I seek. My points in this post when 2 or more believers are reading and quoting the same scriptures, and that leads to unwise arguing there is no fruit to be had. A greater point, if we spend our lives arguing and discussing scripture without applying the teachings of Christ to our Lives, there will be no reward waiting even if you quote word and verse entirely. infact the more scripture you know, or claim to know, the more abligated you are to live them. The largest point here was this : When the day comes when we stand before Jesus Chist to receive the rewards we believe in He will have one statement did you Love others as I have taught you to Love others? come you who are blessed by my Father and take your inheritance for when I was hungry, you gave me something to eat. when I was thirsty, you gave me something to eat, when I was a stranger, when I had no clothes, you gave me clothes...you invited me in ect... in short....did you truly Love others?" before this begins another fruitless debate, those are thw words of Christ, and all the knowledgable people on scripture should heed your own words about scripture being the truth, the words Of Jesus Christ being the truth. If He gives a clear statement such as He has done here now who will go find a list of scriptures that deny His words and twist to fit our own beliefs that obviously don't believe in caring for the needy? I assure you I have heard every argument to this. the major point I left here is without true Love, we have deceived ourselves with all our great learning. If you claim to be something special in Christ I would ask "what do you do for those who have need all around us in the world?" do you spend your time with the world arguing to remove the little help the government gives the poor? do you suppose empty words or mass amounts of scripture will replace the truth? wich is to Love one another? In the examination of your own self first, find that you truly care enough for another, before you consider yourself a teacher or leader of the Church. If you know scripture, it isn't necessarily a calling to teach the gospel, but when the scripture gives you Life, when you are living the scriptures you quote........then you will be able to find what you are truly called to do in Him. maybe we all aren't teachers? maybe the best way to share the truth of the gospel, is to tangibly help others in the name of Love. maybe a man of wealth is called to be generous? maybe a person who is very organized is called to be in administration? maybe those with great faith should be laying hands on the sick? maybe each and every one of us are called to one thing...to love those who do not have love in this world. without Gods true Love, all the scripture we quote and debate and argue over doesn't make a church, but a divided kingdom no different than the world. I'm sure ive missed someones response, just to clarify, I hoped to get someone to think about our own actions and life ...."am I really living the gospel?" if not it may be wise to not presume myself a teacher full of Knowledge. God bless you and I am in no way offended by anything anyone said, I hope if ive offended you, you will forgive that. God bless you in the abundance of Christ.....the power of the gospel to reach people is in the truth of Love for one another. again tho lol I'm just a believer do not in anyway consider myself to be something I am not, I only know that I belong to the one who lived and died for me.

Long wall of text, hard to read, no paragraphs. I didn't even bother trying to read this post. :/ Many others won't bother with it, either.

(Fixyfixy on the coding thingy? I hope.)

Nuts. I really did try to read Jason's post, but my eyes gave out midway. I was hoping when you quoted it, you'd say something that would give me hints about the rest.

 

[Depleted]

okay, thanks for the response, God bless

Copy/paste and fix into paragraphs, and I'm game to try again.

(I don't mean to ignore you. I honestly need new glasses so I just can't read but so much wall-text.)

 

[Magenta]

wow guys, 144 replies at least half pointless arguing? I read every one thanks for the responses.

I feel I need to say a few things. I do not claim to be a teacher, to be honest with you, I do not know what I am, but I am assured completely that God knows every detail of who I was, who I am now and who I will be for eternity. I have not said that anyone should "throw truth away and hold hands ect...."

I left a few thoughts, to hopefully inspire some sort of thought in even one person. and I stand by every word I left. I found many wonderful responses and appreciated every person that took time to respond whether I agreed or not. I have attacked no one, labeled no one and in full truth any label or attack or disagreement with my original post means nothing to me, I am defined by Christ, and his approval is all I seek.

My points in this post when 2 or more believers are reading and quoting the same scriptures, and that leads to unwise arguing there is no fruit to be had. A greater point, if we spend our lives arguing and discussing scripture without applying the teachings of Christ to our Lives, there will be no reward waiting even if you quote word and verse entirely. infact the more scripture you know, or claim to know, the more obligated you are to live them.

The largest point here was this : When the day comes when we stand before Jesus Christ to receive the rewards we believe in He will have one statement did you Love others as I have taught you to Love others? come you who are blessed by my Father and take your inheritance for when I was hungry, you gave me something to eat. when I was thirsty, you gave me something to eat, when I was a stranger, when I had no clothes, you gave me clothes...you invited me in etc... in short....did you truly Love others?"

before this begins another fruitless debate, those are the words of Christ, and all the knowledgeable people on scripture should heed your own words about scripture being the truth, the words Of Jesus Christ being the truth. If He gives a clear statement such as He has done here now who will go find a list of scriptures that deny His words and twist to fit our own beliefs that obviously don't believe in caring for the needy?

I assure you I have heard every argument to this. the major point I left here is without true Love, we have deceived ourselves with all our great learning. If you claim to be something special in Christ I would ask "what do you do for those who have need all around us in the world?" do you spend your time with the world arguing to remove the little help the government gives the poor? do you suppose empty words or mass amounts of scripture will replace the truth? which is to Love one another?

In the examination of your own self first, find that you truly care enough for another, before you consider yourself a teacher or leader of the Church. If you know scripture, it isn't necessarily a calling to teach the gospel, but when the scripture gives you Life, when you are living the scriptures you quote........then you will be able to find what you are truly called to do in Him.

maybe we all aren't teachers? maybe the best way to share the truth of the gospel, is to tangibly help others in the name of Love. maybe a man of wealth is called to be generous? maybe a person who is very organized is called to be in administration? maybe those with great faith should be laying hands on the sick? maybe each and every one of us are called to one thing...to love those who do not have love in this world. without Gods true Love, all the scripture we quote and debate and argue over doesn't make a church, but a divided kingdom no different than the world.

I'm sure I've missed someones response, just to clarify, I hoped to get someone to think about our own actions and life ...."am I really living the gospel?" if not it may be wise to not presume myself a teacher full of Knowledge. God bless you and I am in no way offended by anything anyone said, I hope if ive offended you, you will forgive that. God bless you in the abundance of Christ.....the power of the gospel to reach people is in the truth of Love for one another. again tho lol I'm just a believer do not in anyway consider myself to be something I am not, I only know that I belong to the one who lived and died for me.

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[pwrnJC]

jasonj...I totally agree with you..it does take the Holy Spirit and our total submission. Each Christian has to ask themselves: Just how much do I want to immerse myself into HIM? Do we occasionally decide to warm a pew on Easter and Christmas? Do we want to take charge of a Sunday School class? Do I really want to embarrass myself if I get 'slain" in the SPIRIT? What if GOD takes my prayers and really changes it into a language that is not English? Can I really sincerely pray and touch someone for a healing? I see it like old Smith Wigglesworth did: "It is a sin if we remain the same today that we were yesterday".

 

[Depleted]

bro I am in no way offended, there is nothing to forgive. I have and will never post something directed at any person nor do I take offense at anyones words. when I said if I see you again, possibly I should have worded it if God is willing. I wrote that because I am not sure what tomorrow will bring ever. The thoughts I left in the op, again were to hopefully get someone to think of unity, in the manner of "what is really worth arguing in the family of Christ?" Unity is part of this whole thing, the world is united against the church and the church is in at least part very divided and against each other as well. if someone is preaching and the teachings of Christ are not acknowledged, something is very wrong.

can I ask what you mean by " helping others should be an inward joy and not outward in any way shape or form?" I think I understand but would rather hear you expound a bit on that, thank you and God bless you

(I'm not answering the question in second paragraph, cuz that was asked to Beyond, not me. Just don't want you to think I ignored second paragraph though.)

As for the "God willing" part of never being sure what tomorrow brings, I might be able to give you an idea so you don't have to worry so much about being that specific.

At 50 years old, I took a twig from a Jade plant and turned it into a bonsai. Jade is a type of tree, albeit it never grows more than 5 feet high (give or take a foot.) It is still a tree though and it takes as long as any tree to go from sapling to "that's a real tree" stage. Trees take about 30 years to look like a well-established tree, (compared to a medium-sized tree.) Again, I'm 50, so what is the likelihood I'll see that Jade in 30 years looking treey? Meh. Either I will or I won't. Nothing changes if I don't, other than if no one is around to water it, it will die. Okay. I can live with that.

And at 55, I started to write a series of novels. It's really a hepatology. (Like three novels telling a continual story is a trilogy, a heptat- means seven novels to tell the whole story.) I just finished sprucing up that first novel last September and was working on the query letter to get it published when "tomorrow" came. (Note post on why my name is depleted on this thread, and that explains what changed my plans.) Four years to write the first novel. No telling how long to get it published. Rumor has it writing the second is faster, the third is faster than the second, etc., but that rumor doesn't take in "if God is willing." I've been thinking it might take me 30 years to finish, and I might not make it until then either. So what?

If I don't make it, I have plans on getting someone else to finish the story, so if there are fans they can finish the story (God willing too.) If I do make it -- cool!

Yes, we really never know what today brings. (I had plans to work on the query letter some more the day I ended up taking hubby to the ER, so today isn't even a given.) So what?

Isn't it just easier to go about it, until I can't, assume I'll be around if possible, and, if I'm not? Well either people will figure out I left, or they might actually figure out I died. That's theirs to deal with, because ultimately, I'm having a great time with God because I get him eternally. I'm not mourning my own death, but I'm also not going to worry about the when until (if) I'm given reason to worry about that.

So, much easier than never expecting tomorrow to happen as planned.

 

[jasonj]

jasonj...I totally agree with you..it does take the Holy Spirit and our total submission. Each Christian has to ask themselves: Just how much do I want to immerse myself into HIM? Do we occasionally decide to warm a pew on Easter and Christmas? Do we want to take charge of a Sunday School class? Do I really want to embarrass myself if I get 'slain" in the SPIRIT? What if GOD takes my prayers and really changes it into a language that is not English? Can I really sincerely pray and touch someone for a healing? I see it like old Smith Wigglesworth did: "It is a sin if we remain the same today that we were yesterday".

I would say it depends on who you were yesterday. If yesterday I am a man who Loves others in His name for His honor and glory, I should remain there and strive to be unchanged by the world and words around me. If I am a man who lives for myself alone yesterday, my focus should be on changing towards what Christ has taught me, and died to give me....wich is the freedom to truly Love others, especially those of the family of God. I feel as if self examination according to our own level of understanding, is most profitable to us and others. to us : that it keeps us from thinking we are better than another, and to others : that it should convict us for judging another mans salvation. a sinner judging a sinner doesn't fly right. thanks for the wonderful response and there is growth in your words for those willing to consider them in earnest. another thing is we shouldn't presume ourselves teachers to others if we are not living in obedience to what the Lord has taught us. the approved teacher, will examine himself and find himself living the gospel through persecutions and blessings alike. a lot of folks don't understand that when we are so adamant about obedience and that we are right, then we have obligated ourselves to live the very standards we speak to others.

I sincerely hope all who consider themselves teachers of the gospel will find themselves faultless to the things they put on others. I believe the one approved will not have to shout their own approval but will be recognized by the fruit that they produce, God bless you in all the abundance of Christ as you press forward along the way, following after a deeper Love each day for God and also the brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus

 

[Depleted]

I would also real quick say that Jesus is Just in all he did, that doesn't necessarily give us authority to go to someones church and because we disagree with a practice start flipping tables over ect.... Jesus Is the son of God, the king. He has the authority over all the church, we, no matter what we consider ourselves are a part of the Church. If I went to a church and actually have went to a church where someone was selling their "teachings" and dvds ect......I simply left because I was offended by the message and also the fact that I do not believe selling things should be done in a church, or even a sales pitch be made ect. But Like scripture says, often it is best to keep what I believe about certain things between myself and God.

Nuts!

(Mumbling to myself as I cross off "flipping tables in a church" off my bucket list.

)

 

[jasonj]

(I'm not answering the question in second paragraph, cuz that was asked to Beyond, not me. Just don't want you to think I ignored second paragraph though.)

As for the "God willing" part of never being sure what tomorrow brings, I might be able to give you an idea so you don't have to worry so much about being that specific.

At 50 years old, I took a twig from a Jade plant and turned it into a bonsai. Jade is a type of tree, albeit it never grows more than 5 feet high (give or take a foot.) It is still a tree though and it takes as long as any tree to go from sapling to "that's a real tree" stage. Trees take about 30 years to look like a well-established tree, (compared to a medium-sized tree.) Again, I'm 50, so what is the likelihood I'll see that Jade in 30 years looking treey? Meh. Either I will or I won't. Nothing changes if I don't, other than if no one is around to water it, it will die. Okay. I can live with that.

And at 55, I started to write a series of novels. It's really a hepatology. (Like three novels telling a continual story is a trilogy, a heptat- means seven novels to tell the whole story.) I just finished sprucing up that first novel last September and was working on the query letter to get it published when "tomorrow" came. (Note post on why my name is depleted on this thread, and that explains what changed my plans.) Four years to write the first novel. No telling how long to get it published. Rumor has it writing the second is faster, the third is faster than the second, etc., but that rumor doesn't take in "if God is willing." I've been thinking it might take me 30 years to finish, and I might not make it until then either. So what?

If I don't make it, I have plans on getting someone else to finish the story, so if there are fans they can finish the story (God willing too.) If I do make it -- cool!

Yes, we really never know what today brings. (I had plans to work on the query letter some more the day I ended up taking hubby to the ER, so today isn't even a given.) So what?

Isn't it just easier to go about it, until I can't, assume I'll be around if possible, and, if I'm not? Well either people will figure out I left, or they might actually figure out I died. That's theirs to deal with, because ultimately, I'm having a great time with God because I get him eternally. I'm not mourning my own death, but I'm also not going to worry about the when until (if) I'm given reason to worry about that.

So, much easier than never expecting tomorrow to happen as planned.

thanks for the response God bless you. I hope your husband gets well soon

 

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Ack! Tried to rep you for good eyes and formatting powers, but I have to spread the reps around more. lol

Thank you.

I am not a teacher, so it didn't apply... most of the way, anyway.

 

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There is not a single verse that commands us to give money to a 'church' that refuses to line up with scripture. But there are a few verses that commands us to come out from among those that practice heresy and be seperate into Him.
Just because a building has a marquee out front saying 'CHURCH', does not mean that it is a bonafide by the book gathering.

Folks, you need to quit saying 'we go by the book...we go by the book', if you are not even willing to check the book against what you practice.

I use the book all day long on this site and get blasted for it. Nothing has changed in 2000 years has it?