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So, uh, what if the sin is murder? One should not worry about adhering to a written code, just claim Jesus? There are sins that are part of a written code that God says DOES matter...
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
No that is an opinion not truth. First off the idea of same sex marriage has nothing to do with freedom or to be against it is tyranny. The truth is the redefining of what is and has been a normative which all laws seen as the context of marriage. The Tyranny is forcing those to accept under the false premise that Gay marriage is a marriage to begin with. IT is not by the definition. the tyranny is when those attack people who have a common understanding That Homosexuality is not normal. it is not supported in nature , the reproducing of life nor is it productive in supporting life. The tyranny is forcing people to teach it , accept it, and say nothing against it.
That is tyranny.
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Are you saying you would be supportive of a duly passed peace of legislation?
Your situation is different to mine, as there is nothing in our Constitution about marriage, and all provisions in law for marriage are in Acts of Parliament, so that is what would need to be changed. But it seems to me that in your case, what matters is the reasons for the judgement. If the decision is right that refusing to grant or recognise same sex marriages actually is in contravention of two other clauses of the Constitution, then it is within the jurisdiction of the SCotUS to correct that. They're not making law, but interpreting legal practice in the context of pre-existing law. If people don't like that, change the Constitution.
Judges don't make law, but they do pass judgement on what is legal based on the interactions of various pieces of law and legal principles. If they didn't, and if there wasn't some element of interpretation in legal principle, we would have no need for judges, and would merely have Congress.
It's only judicial tyranny if their reasoning is incorrect, in which case the judgement should be appealed. I'm not familiar enough with the reasons to say. Otherwise, seems to me that what happened is what the Constitution requires of them. If you don't like the power that judges have, again, change the Constitution. End of the day, they're their for a reason, and are there because elected representatives put them there.
Your situation is different to mine, as there is nothing in our Constitution about marriage, and all provisions in law for marriage are in Acts of Parliament, so that is what would need to be changed. But it seems to me that in your case, what matters is the reasons for the judgement. If the decision is right that refusing to grant or recognise same sex marriages actually is in contravention of two other clauses of the Constitution, then it is within the jurisdiction of the SCotUS to correct that. They're not making law, but interpreting legal practice in the context of pre-existing law. If people don't like that, change the Constitution.
Judges don't make law, but they do pass judgement on what is legal based on the interactions of various pieces of law and legal principles. If they didn't, and if there wasn't some element of interpretation in legal principle, we would have no need for judges, and would merely have Congress.
It's only judicial tyranny if their reasoning is incorrect, in which case the judgement should be appealed. I'm not familiar enough with the reasons to say. Otherwise, seems to me that what happened is what the Constitution requires of them. If you don't like the power that judges have, again, change the Constitution. End of the day, they're their for a reason, and are there because elected representatives put them there.
But the problem is that for some reason, we Christians in general have real trouble distinguishing between allowing someone to do something we don't agree with, and actively agreeing with them, on specifically this issue
We marry people who have already had sex all the time.
We marry people who have been divorced already all the time.
We live in societies where we essentially already allow gay people to have sex, to adopt children, etc, without feeling like we generally agree with what they do, in the same way we allow people to get drunk, to blaspheme, etc. Somehow, we survive all this without feeling complicit in other peoples sin, as it were.
But for some reason, on this issue, we can't step back and go "We can accept this as a legal allowance in our society, even though we disagree with it morally." In fact, in some cases we are actively obstructionist.
In Australia, we are currently talking about a plebiscite (essentially a binding national vote) on same sex marriage. We are planning to do this even though it will have no legal weight, even though some parliamentarians have said they may not honour the outcome of the vote in terms of how they conduct any vote in Parliament itself, and even though there's enough data to suggest that a large proportion, usually a majority, are in favour of same sex marriage in some form. The vote will cost tax payer money, but it's not clear what it will actually accomplish aside from tax payer funded ad campaigns for both sides. It's not even clear whether a 'Yes' vote would lead to an immediate vote on the floor of Parliament.
In the case of Kim Davis, she not only refused to sign licenses, but also made the rest of her office refuse to sign licenses. I'm sure she's signed licenses for people who were already co-habiting. She's probably signed licenses for divorcees (herself being a divorcee several times). I found it amazing that Christians everywhere were going in to bat for her and her beliefs, despite her being a Oneness advocate who denies some of the most central claims about the nature of God.
At what point are we not just simply voicing our disagreement, and are we just being obstructionist, and becoming incredibly hard headed and blinkered on a single issue? What point does that serve in sharing the gospel with people? How much time and effort are we spending on essentially telling non-Christians what to do with their lives that could be better spent elsewhere?
We marry people who have already had sex all the time.
We marry people who have been divorced already all the time.
We live in societies where we essentially already allow gay people to have sex, to adopt children, etc, without feeling like we generally agree with what they do, in the same way we allow people to get drunk, to blaspheme, etc. Somehow, we survive all this without feeling complicit in other peoples sin, as it were.
But for some reason, on this issue, we can't step back and go "We can accept this as a legal allowance in our society, even though we disagree with it morally." In fact, in some cases we are actively obstructionist.
In Australia, we are currently talking about a plebiscite (essentially a binding national vote) on same sex marriage. We are planning to do this even though it will have no legal weight, even though some parliamentarians have said they may not honour the outcome of the vote in terms of how they conduct any vote in Parliament itself, and even though there's enough data to suggest that a large proportion, usually a majority, are in favour of same sex marriage in some form. The vote will cost tax payer money, but it's not clear what it will actually accomplish aside from tax payer funded ad campaigns for both sides. It's not even clear whether a 'Yes' vote would lead to an immediate vote on the floor of Parliament.
In the case of Kim Davis, she not only refused to sign licenses, but also made the rest of her office refuse to sign licenses. I'm sure she's signed licenses for people who were already co-habiting. She's probably signed licenses for divorcees (herself being a divorcee several times). I found it amazing that Christians everywhere were going in to bat for her and her beliefs, despite her being a Oneness advocate who denies some of the most central claims about the nature of God.
At what point are we not just simply voicing our disagreement, and are we just being obstructionist, and becoming incredibly hard headed and blinkered on a single issue? What point does that serve in sharing the gospel with people? How much time and effort are we spending on essentially telling non-Christians what to do with their lives that could be better spent elsewhere?
When I read about Kim Davis I was kind of hoping she would be this younger, contemporary type classy educated Christian that would throw a bone to the fight against same-sex marriage. Unfortunatly when I saw the photo of her it completely fit the steretypicaly, overweight lunch lady type with long stringy hair and a girdle from 1857. No one ever takes these people seriously. They should just open the flood gates of the FLDS church in Colorado Springs and cast them like locusts onto the Kentucky courthouses. Their mere presence is enough to scare even the Mennonites and Amish into wearing something modern.
Ephesians 2:8-10
King James Version(KJV)
8.)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of GOD:
9.)Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10.)For we are HIS workmanship, created in CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which GOD hath before ordained that we should walk in them
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Once a person gets saved by grace through faith, they become a new creation,old things has past away.
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2nd Corinthians 5:15-18
King James Version(KJV)
15.)And that HE died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto HIM which died for them, and rose again.
16.)Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17.)Therefore if any man be in CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18.)And all things are of GOD, who hath reconciled us to HIMSELF by JESUS CHRIST, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
They may still have bad habits that were learned from the old man ,but Paul said:
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)
1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of GOD, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto GOD, which is your reasonable service.
2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of GOD.
King James Version(KJV)
8.)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of GOD:
9.)Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10.)For we are HIS workmanship, created in CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which GOD hath before ordained that we should walk in them
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Once a person gets saved by grace through faith, they become a new creation,old things has past away.
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2nd Corinthians 5:15-18
King James Version(KJV)
15.)And that HE died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto HIM which died for them, and rose again.
16.)Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17.)Therefore if any man be in CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18.)And all things are of GOD, who hath reconciled us to HIMSELF by JESUS CHRIST, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
They may still have bad habits that were learned from the old man ,but Paul said:
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)
1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of GOD, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto GOD, which is your reasonable service.
2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of GOD.
The spirits of just men was created perfect and sealed.So then Its the flesh that sins.
Its not GOD who Is disappointed,Its man that Is disappointed,nevertheless,we are GODs workmanship In CHRIST JESUS unto good works which was before ordained that we should walk In them.
So then a truly born again Christian that remains alive In this world would want to do good works.
Its not GOD who Is disappointed,Its man that Is disappointed,nevertheless,we are GODs workmanship In CHRIST JESUS unto good works which was before ordained that we should walk In them.
So then a truly born again Christian that remains alive In this world would want to do good works.
What does God's Word, in part, have to say about this?
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
2 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
2 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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Actually that is only a minor issue.
The true blind spot is this:
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore[c] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. (Matt 28:18-20), and this
15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[b] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” (Mark 16:15-18) and this,
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me[a] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” (Acts 1:8).
This is what we are called to do.
If you want to make a difference in your world - follow these instructions!
Agitating about homosexuality and "gay marriage" is pointless and hopeless.
Evangelise!
When the majority of people in your country are Bible-believing Christians do you believe that the political landscape will be the same as it is now?
Think about - and then act in the way that Jesus commanded us.
The true blind spot is this:
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore[c] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. (Matt 28:18-20), and this
15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[b] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” (Mark 16:15-18) and this,
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me[a] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” (Acts 1:8).
This is what we are called to do.
If you want to make a difference in your world - follow these instructions!
Agitating about homosexuality and "gay marriage" is pointless and hopeless.
Evangelise!
When the majority of people in your country are Bible-believing Christians do you believe that the political landscape will be the same as it is now?
Think about - and then act in the way that Jesus commanded us.