The Affliction Of Conspiracy Theorists

Ultimatum77 · Mar 11, 2016

Yes sadly a lot of our fellow brethren (oddly I loathe to call them that but have to b/c we are a part of the body of Christ) have taken upon themselves the role of doctor/psychologist and anyone who disagrees with them or contradicts them is immediately deemed mentally ill or a damnable heretic....quick get the stake, dried hay, a rope and a match so we can light others who disagree with us up aka burn at the stake! Threads are meant for discussion not personal attacks but no matter how many dang times I say this people get all crazy here lol. It is sad yet sometimes funny how people just go nuts on others who disagree...

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

Sirk said:

What I would say to you is that if you want to know the truth, it is not hidden. You can know who shot JFK and if flight 77 flew into the pentagon. The evidence is there for you to view, if you had any interest.

The context of the Pennsylvania crash site tells you a passenger flight was being hijacked and passengers on that flight used phones to contact people and describe the hijackers, the weapons they used, and mention that passengers were going to try to regain control of the plane. So the fact the plane went down makes sense.

Do you or I work for the NTSB? Have we spent our lives studying plane crashes? No. Those that do tell us that planes can hit the ground while traveling vertically and almost seem to dig into the ground. The planes that entered into the North and South Towers seemed to do the same thing. They didn't explode and fall to the street, but rather seemed to fly inside of the building. Conspiracy people often create theories for things they don't personally understand. Some kook posts pictures of a round hole at the pentagon and all sorts of people then want to believe it was a missile that struck the building. They don't take the time to discover that photograph was taken at the furthermost wall the nose of the plane passed into, as it entered through numerous walls. They were being told by someone that this was a photo of the exterior of the pentagon, making it seem impossible for a plane to have left so little damage. They will go on to say there was no signs of a plane. No parts of the plane or luggage were found. They will say this because they read this somewhere. By reading it somewhere, they feel they have done all the research needed. They feel their research was exhaustive and thorough. It was actually non-existent. There were numerous photos of plane wreckage, including landing gear and parts of the fuselage. The wings of flight 77 knocked over light poles as it approached the pentagon. One even landed on a taxi cab. Numerous eye witnesses watched the plane hit.

Stick around this thread and watch how the conspiracy nuts avoid direct questions and refuse to offer evidence and links to evidence. They offer stories about Jews calling in sick that day or puffs of smoke that must have been explosive charges, photos of a round shaped hole at the pentagon. A speech telling Americans not to drift off into wild conspiracy theories as proof that is was a conspiracy. You just won't see them present any proof or evidence.

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

Ultimatum77 said:

So you aren't going to tell us what you think happened and defend your belief with evidence. Odd, that's exactly what I said you would do. Run off a list of things you think don't add up, but not including any links to prove any of them are real. If one was to prove ten things you say are all easily explained, then you move on and make up another ten things that have been debunked.

Are you accusing the BBC of blowing up a building at the WTC? Are you saying not a single item survived the planes crashing into the towers? Why does it matter what President Bush said? If he said nothing, you would have claimed that proves yet another conspiracy theory. You claim Norad was told to stand down. Prove this statement in your next post. Actually prove it, and tell us what it means, exactly. Who "threatened" aircraft controllers? Show me proof they were threatened. You won't because they weren't. Show me a copy of this imaginary waver? Who told you about this waver? Who has mysteriously died? Give us a list. Tell me, which is larger, a 757 or the top half of the South Tower? So part of a 100 story building falling into WTC 7 is not capable of damaging it? Is that your belief? Were you are the scene doing your own investigation? Do you work for a demolition company? Do you know the terms demolition companies use? Are demolition companies the only people who utter the word pull? Then you'd need to explain how demolitions were placed in the WTC buildings. Was it at night? Did people come to work and simply ignore large amounts of explosives in the buildings? Did they ever wonder why wires were running all over the floors? Was it a coincidence that on the same day the U.S. government planned to blow up the WTC buildings, Arab terrorists just happened to fly commercial airliners into them? You might as well believe martians live in the apartment next to you. It's equally plausible.

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

Ultimatum77 said:

Sad that you would go to that level like Sinnerman and call others who disagree "mentally ill". But then again after debating you on multiple topics you run out of statements and turn to personal attacks. Go ahead I won't call you any names though....

This shows building 7 before collapse

This one shows building 7 before collapse with LIghts on??? If it was an electrical fire as was reported a few times they would have shut down the electric lights...also why is the atf there before it collapses hmm if i remember okc had the same scenario before a boom....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38xxnlf1mT0

How do you explain this card game and countless media foreshadowing ahead of it and they even raided this guy's office because of this card game....

Illuminati card game predicted 9/11 Japan earthquake and World War 3 | Latest News | Breaking UK News & World News Headlines | Daily Star

You're not one to answer questions, are you. Just read off a list of more questions. Now it's all about an Illuminati card game predicting 9/11 and a Japanese earthquake and WWIII. You are making my case for me.

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

Ultimatum77 said:

See what you are doing? Deflecting. Avoiding having to support your belief. You actually have yet to state your belief in what took place.

We are not claiming to be doctors. I read what doctors said about conspiracy nuts and posted those doctors findings. I happen to agree with them.

Also, this isn't about a disagreement. I love it when intelligent people disagree with one another and have an intelligent debate. It is inspiring to witness people using facts and evidence to prove a point. You have failed to do that despite numerous posts digging yourself deeper and deeper into conspiracies. I have asked you questions and you have refused to respond with an answer. I'm suggesting that you can't defend your position and are merely going to embrace other conspiracy believers and ignore those who want answers to what you believe and why.

What's next for you? After a card game, is it going to be Nostradamus predicting 9/11?

Ultimatum77 · Mar 11, 2016

Sinnerman said:

I actually can defend my posts, however neither I nor you were at the WTC so just as much as you deride "conspiracy theories" you can deride the official story because you weren't there either...

It is useless to talk to a person like you because no matter what you will be adamant in your beliefs as will I...why waste time????

But to answer I believe it was an inside job and contrived to create a police-state and disrupt the middle east to steal the resources there and have proxy arm over there for future wars...

The FBI’s Blunder: 9/11 Hijack Suspects Alive and Well – TIP

At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive

There are so many avenues to prove my belief but you will not want to listen with an open mind so why bother? But notice these guys are still alive...hmm.....interesting.

Ultimatum77 · Mar 11, 2016

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

From the bbc lest you say my sources are "irreputable" lol

jaybird88 · Mar 11, 2016

Sirk said:

What amazes me about Christians who just believe the official narrative on everything without questioning and mock those who don't... also have to believe that a man lived for three days in a fish, another rose from the dead, 2 were created from mud, blind and lame people were healed, a virgin had a baby, a man killed 10000 with a donkey jawbone, another wrestled with God, another was brought to heaven, the earth was flooded and man survived by building a boat that took him a hundred years, the red sea was parted, manna fell from heaven, a staff turned into a snake, a river turned to blood and Jesus is going to return to earth in power and glory from space.... etc etc etc.

my fav is when our Lord stopped the sun for a day. pretty cool!
good to see you back!

jaybird88 · Mar 11, 2016

Dude653 said:

there are people protesting and there are people outraged. but in order to see it one must crawl out of their box and open their eyes.

the level of protesting today is starting to rival that of the 60s. i think its pretty awesome

the thing about 911, people can argue little facts back and forth forever. but if you throw out the experts, facts, witnesses from both sides of the argument, and just evaluate it with logic and plane reasoning. the whole thing does not add up at all.

if i was a Muslim, that hated western influence in my country, the last thing in the world i would do is attack one of the biggest cities in the west.
why does the west always seem to be fighting in regions we have very little economic influence in?

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

Ultimatum77 said:

So you can defend your posts but you choose not to because why bother? Right, that's totally predictable as when some grade school kid says his father was a secret agent, not a janitor, but it's all top secret, so he can't discuss it.

So, is there a police state in the U.S.? No. Did 9/11 disrupt the Middle East? No. Did we steal the resources? No. Do we have a proxy army over there? No. Brilliant theory you have there.

If the hijackers are still alive, who flew the airplanes into the buildings? I'm particularly interested in your theory about the pentagon, since I'm fairly familiar with the evidence and the conspiracy theories. Who was part of this inside job? Why did it fail to achieve it's objectives? Which person of this inside group leaked their plans to you? How did President Bush convince terrorists to hijack planes? Are you beginning to see how it doesn't work the way you want it to work? The President doesn't just call up a demolition crew and tell them to blow up buildings and be sure not to tell anyone about it. He doesn't call Arab terrorists and ask them if they want in on the top secret plan to destabilize their home countries. The President doesn't just order some military base commander to fire a missile at the pentagon, no matter what he promises to do for them in return. Did you ever walk through your own conspiracy and notice about 1000 reasons it is ludicrous?

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

Ultimatum77 said:

You link to sources of information called What Really Happened, run by a kook running for president, who says the planes were being flown by remote control, despite video showing the hijackers boarding the planes, the hijackers talking on the planes radio, the passengers using phones to make calls where they described the hijackers, the weapons they used, and plans to try and regain control of the plane. The other conspiracy web site you linked to was TIP (Top Info Post) out of London. Please don't tell me you donate money to these nuts. They tell you the names of Arabs living somewhere in the world and try to explain those were the hijackers, not the other Arabs we saw get on the planes. And you believe them, just like that. What if I told you I can sell you a special device that shields you from deadly cosmic rays for only $1000. Would you send me a check or money order? It could save your life.

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

Ultimatum77 said:

Somewhere in the U.S. is a man named Lee Harvey Oswald. Maybe there are several men named Lee Harvey Oswald. Does that mean they were involved in the Kennedy Assassination? Wait, I'm asking the wrong person because you would answer yes. There are a lot of Arabs with similar names. After 9/11, their was some uncertainty about the real names of the hijackers. That has nothing to do with the fact those hijackers took over the planes and crashed them. Conspiracy people like to believe that if one letter of one name is misspelled, there is some sort of cover-up. Most conspiracy theorists move on from disputing the minutia to grasping hold of some really big conspiracy that they can spend the remainder of their life defending on conspiracy forums. Well, not so much defending, but preaching to fellow conspiracy nuts that they alone discovered the top secret government plans to, whatever you claimed was the purpose.

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

jaybird88 said:

And yet they did exactly that...twice.

Most regular (non addicted to conspiracy theories) folks believe that is exactly what extremists will do. Attack places like NYC and Washington DC. Maybe you think they should attack a WalMart in Mississippi to get your attention. I doubt that would have the same impact. The pattern you will notice here is that those believing in conspiracy theories are gathering what they call evidence from highly dubious web sites run by people who seem very disturbed. Then they repost some of the content and say they did a lot of research to find all these hidden secrets of the government conspiracy. No they didn't. Like you, they were lazy and merely went to the most convenient conspiracy web site that would feed them bogus information that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Eventually, as you just noticed, they will come back and have no answers at all and simply state that they have all sorts of proof but they don't feel it's worth their time to share it with non-believers. To them, a true believer of conspiracies should accept each and every one of them without asking questions.

jaybird88 · Mar 11, 2016

Sinnerman said:

yet this is the problem, why would they do that? people like you dont ask why. why would they do something thats only going to result in more western influence in their country when thats the last thing they want.
is this making any sense at all to you? . . . .probably not.

Dude653 · Mar 11, 2016

blue_ladybug said:

What the BEEEEP does race have to do with this topic???

blue_ladybug · Mar 11, 2016

Dude653 said:

Actually maybe "biased" or "prejudiced" is a better word. And race has EVERYTHING to do with 9/11. Ever since then, anytime somebody sees a Muslim in America, instantly they are labeled killers or terrorists just because Muslims (supposedly) blew up the towers.. But anyhoo, in alot of your posts, both on this thread and several others, you come across sounding racist.. Maybe you don't mean to but you do. And if you think "conspiracy nuts" are loony, then why aggravate the situation by calling them names? THEY could call YOU names for NOT believing 9/11 was an inside job. :/

Dude653 · Mar 11, 2016

blue_ladybug said:

Lunacy comes in all ethnicities so my comments have nothing to do with race here. Whether you choose to believe it or not 911 was indeed an act of Islamic terrorism. This is by no means an attack on all Muslims but it is what it is

jennymae · Mar 11, 2016

I believe that 9/11 was an Islamic attack. I haven't seen any evidence supporting alternative theories.

Dude653 · Mar 11, 2016

jennymae said:

All of the alleged evidence for the 9/11 conspiracy has been debunked

Sinnerman · Mar 11, 2016

jaybird88 said:

Why did they attack the embassy in Kenya? Why attack a navy ship in Yemen (I believe). Why order Jihad against a country that could destroy every country you try to hide in?

Why did the Japanese attack us? Why did the Germans attack Russia during the winter? Why do crazy Islamic extremists chop people's heads off? Some thing they are demon possessed. Satan is clearly influencing their behavior. Some of these modern days terror groups want to bring about end times and know they must target Israel in order to bring that to fruition. I suppose if you want Armageddon to happen, a place to start is by blowing up buildings in the U.S. and inviting them to come to the Middle East and bring their military with them. God is a master chess player. We do not understand each and every move he allows people to make in order for His plan to be fulfilled. 9/11 was a fateful day that brings us that much closer to Christ's return. No conspiracy. I viewed it as a huge failure of intelligence within the FBI. They had plenty of agents watching these guys and one even sent a memo about her concerns, but it was ignored. It could have been prevented.

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