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Wow. Am I alone in here. My error? You are the one who as a CHRISTIAN said all paths lead to heaven and Christianity is the rightest of the religions but its about the heart not the belief in Christ. I'm starting to think that if I am the only one who will speak out against this & SHAME ON YOU for professing Christianity when you do not hold to the foundations of our very faith. Anyway If I am alone on this forum in thinking it is wrong as a Christian to be posting posts that lead those to believe that all paths lead to heaven then I should bow out of this entire site forever. I truly feel alone and abandoned by my brothers & sisters in Christ. Or are we in Christ really??? perhaps not. I question the validity of all your posts due to the fact that you have the very foundation of our faith WRONG. Because of this is question what other subtle lies you may be infiltrating this site with. Call it pride my friend, call it what you like but there are 2 things I am passionate about. The all roads lead to heaven garbage that the new age is shoving down peoples throats and the JW cults that come to my home to try to separate me from my family as has been done to other family members. I have NEVER EVER had to correct a Christian who stated it was about the HEART. Thank God the Chrisitians who led me to the Lord did not hold to this belief as I would have sat there in the err of my ways thinking its ok, if I'm a good person it doesnt matter much what I believe and I would never have received the healing that happened the instant I received Jesus as my Lord & savior. Folks like Israel are my case in point. If we falter in the very fundementals of our faith how will he know what is Christian truth? I feel sad & with that will go for lunch with my friends who believe all paths lead to heaven but dont profess to be Christian.
You have got to be kidding me......WOW
I am not sure it is worth my time to continue - apparently, you haven't read a word I have written. Not even VW agrees with you.
I have never said that all roads lead to Heaven - EVER. You have never produced anything I have written that even comes close to that statement.
Hmm....are we supposed to ask Jesus into our minds? Cause I must have missed the memo - I asked Him into my heart.
You would rather condemn me for talking about loving God, ourselves, and our neighbors instead of Cup of Ruin who talks about hate? WOW - insanity. Absolute delusion.
And Phil - you are agreeing with they - unbelievable - incredible......stupefying
I am not sure it is worth my time to continue - apparently, you haven't read a word I have written. Not even VW agrees with you.
I have never said that all roads lead to Heaven - EVER. You have never produced anything I have written that even comes close to that statement.
Hmm....are we supposed to ask Jesus into our minds? Cause I must have missed the memo - I asked Him into my heart.
You would rather condemn me for talking about loving God, ourselves, and our neighbors instead of Cup of Ruin who talks about hate? WOW - insanity. Absolute delusion.
And Phil - you are agreeing with they - unbelievable - incredible......stupefying
It blows my mind that people can post things like - "I've never sinned after I became a Christian" and "I am not religious, I am a Christian" and "Isael is a bunch of terrorists!" and "I reject the Trinity - is that a problem?" Truly insane......how can you guys claim to be so overfocused on the mind and advocate for such an anti-intellectual approach to Christianity - it is stunning.....
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It seems confusing only because we think with carnal minds. Here it is plainly.
Romans 5:13-14
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Before the law, sin was already here, but because there was no law, spoken or otherwise at this time, sin was not imputed on anyone. When Adam was formed, he was given a commandment not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He transgressed the law and thus death reigned from Adam to Moses. We were taught to believe that Adam was the first man. We know the story as sin was imputed upon Adam and everone else since the fall. But if this is the case, then who were those who sinned and had it not imputed upon them?
Genesis 1:26-31
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
We see that God created man, male and female on the sixth day. He gave them dominion over every living thing that moves upon the earth and blessed them. Now we come to some of the keys of the whole story. God gave of them EVERY TREE for meat! You see? There was no commandment on the sixth day and although sin was already in the world, it was not imputed upon anyone because there was no commandment. Mankind was made on the sixth day. All races were created at that time! We also come across another important statement. "And the evening and the morning were the sixth day". This statement, as in the previous days before it all ended with this.
Genesis 2:1-5
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
On the seventh day, God ended His work. Does this mean that every Saturday God rests from work? No! Jesus said that His Father works as does He. What type of work did He rest from? The work of the physical image of creation. Now we get to two more key points. God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it. He set that day apart from the other six days. It also said that He had rested in it. But does it say that it ended? We can assume it did but nowhere does it state 'and thus the evening and the morning were the seventh day'! It is from here, we start to shape God in our image. These are not literal days that God created in. Another important key is that the Bible said that there was no man to till the ground. If indeed Adam was the first man created, then there wouldn't be a man to do anything!
Genesis 2:7-9
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Now we see the man FORMED by the LORD and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. This man was a living soul. This wasn't just physical breathing as animals breath as well. God had given adam His spirit of truth. He then took the man He had formed and placed him in the garden.
Genesis 2:15-17
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Here we learn a few other key points. The reason this man was put in the garden was to dress it and keep it. What does that mean?
Job 29:14
I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.
Psalms 132:9
Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
2 Corinthians 5:1-6
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
Physically, Adam and Eve were naked, but they were not ashamed. They were clothed with righteousness and who's work it was to dress the rest of mankind with righteousness as well.
We also see that on day six mankind was given to freely eat of every tree that grew out of the earth. But in the garden, the man who was formed by the LORD was given first a commandment. This man was set apart, being formed on the seventh day to do the work of tilling the ground, or to clothe mankind with the righteousness of God. Adam was told that in the day that he eats of this tree, he shall surely die. Did this death happen literaly? no. Adam lived to be over 900 years old! He died spiritually. On the sixth day, mankind ate of that tree without sin imputed upon them. But the seventh day was sanctified, or set apart. And Adam, being formed on this day and the first man who was sanctified, was not allowed to partake of that tree. He did and thus defiled the Sabbath and through that act, death reigned.
Romans 5:13-14
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Before the law, sin was already here, but because there was no law, spoken or otherwise at this time, sin was not imputed on anyone. When Adam was formed, he was given a commandment not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He transgressed the law and thus death reigned from Adam to Moses. We were taught to believe that Adam was the first man. We know the story as sin was imputed upon Adam and everone else since the fall. But if this is the case, then who were those who sinned and had it not imputed upon them?
Genesis 1:26-31
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
We see that God created man, male and female on the sixth day. He gave them dominion over every living thing that moves upon the earth and blessed them. Now we come to some of the keys of the whole story. God gave of them EVERY TREE for meat! You see? There was no commandment on the sixth day and although sin was already in the world, it was not imputed upon anyone because there was no commandment. Mankind was made on the sixth day. All races were created at that time! We also come across another important statement. "And the evening and the morning were the sixth day". This statement, as in the previous days before it all ended with this.
Genesis 2:1-5
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
On the seventh day, God ended His work. Does this mean that every Saturday God rests from work? No! Jesus said that His Father works as does He. What type of work did He rest from? The work of the physical image of creation. Now we get to two more key points. God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it. He set that day apart from the other six days. It also said that He had rested in it. But does it say that it ended? We can assume it did but nowhere does it state 'and thus the evening and the morning were the seventh day'! It is from here, we start to shape God in our image. These are not literal days that God created in. Another important key is that the Bible said that there was no man to till the ground. If indeed Adam was the first man created, then there wouldn't be a man to do anything!
Genesis 2:7-9
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Now we see the man FORMED by the LORD and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. This man was a living soul. This wasn't just physical breathing as animals breath as well. God had given adam His spirit of truth. He then took the man He had formed and placed him in the garden.
Genesis 2:15-17
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Here we learn a few other key points. The reason this man was put in the garden was to dress it and keep it. What does that mean?
Job 29:14
I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.
Psalms 132:9
Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
2 Corinthians 5:1-6
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
Physically, Adam and Eve were naked, but they were not ashamed. They were clothed with righteousness and who's work it was to dress the rest of mankind with righteousness as well.
We also see that on day six mankind was given to freely eat of every tree that grew out of the earth. But in the garden, the man who was formed by the LORD was given first a commandment. This man was set apart, being formed on the seventh day to do the work of tilling the ground, or to clothe mankind with the righteousness of God. Adam was told that in the day that he eats of this tree, he shall surely die. Did this death happen literaly? no. Adam lived to be over 900 years old! He died spiritually. On the sixth day, mankind ate of that tree without sin imputed upon them. But the seventh day was sanctified, or set apart. And Adam, being formed on this day and the first man who was sanctified, was not allowed to partake of that tree. He did and thus defiled the Sabbath and through that act, death reigned.
It is sickening that this site would allow a thread like this:
First, refuse to name who you were accusing
Then sidestepping my confrontation - as if you didn't know what I was talking about!
Then turning it around as if you were noble in not naming names
Then bearing false witness that I am advocating that all religions lead to heaven - a blatant lie.
Then claiming that actually you are being noble and brave for being the only one to speak out against my heresy
Now you are throwing your friends under the bus because they can see the reality of this foolishness
Just admit it, IMOSS - you got mad that I equated your over-focus on the mind with the Pharisees - faith that is intellectualized is external faith - there has to be a heart change - why do you continue to deny this?
Dear Father,
I pray that IMOSS will drop her pride and realize that she is loved by you and her brothers an sisters on this site and in her real life. I pray for reconciliation and that you will continue to sanctify her heart - drive out the fear that is keeping her mind in bondage. Help her to understand you from a heart perspective - give her the courage to reach out in love to serve you and her neighbors.
Amen
First, refuse to name who you were accusing
Then sidestepping my confrontation - as if you didn't know what I was talking about!
Then turning it around as if you were noble in not naming names
Then bearing false witness that I am advocating that all religions lead to heaven - a blatant lie.
Then claiming that actually you are being noble and brave for being the only one to speak out against my heresy
Now you are throwing your friends under the bus because they can see the reality of this foolishness
Just admit it, IMOSS - you got mad that I equated your over-focus on the mind with the Pharisees - faith that is intellectualized is external faith - there has to be a heart change - why do you continue to deny this?
Dear Father,
I pray that IMOSS will drop her pride and realize that she is loved by you and her brothers an sisters on this site and in her real life. I pray for reconciliation and that you will continue to sanctify her heart - drive out the fear that is keeping her mind in bondage. Help her to understand you from a heart perspective - give her the courage to reach out in love to serve you and her neighbors.
Amen
S
Aspen,
I want to say this delicately but if I don't try to receive it anyways with the capacity that you have as a man. You simply talk too much and have too much to say about too many things. You should learn how to study to be quiet / 1Thes 4:11. If you are really seeking the righteousness of God, you would learn that the effect of righteousness is quietness ...and quiet resting places / Is 32:17,18.
The preacher learned this principle of the tongue and the words of the tongue when he concluded that God was in heaven and he was upon the earth, so he should not be hasty with his words and keep his words few / Eccl 5:2. I know it is hard for some to do but a meek and quiet spirit in the sight of God is of great price / 1Pt 3:4. That is not just instruction for women but especially women. Since Feb 3 you average almost (30) posts a day and have started (43) threads in as little as (3) weeks. That speaks for itself and it's alot. I don't say this to stop you from saying the things you want, but use discretion.
Many of us have the same spirit that 'imoss' does with the same convictions because we are Christians. I would trust her with my life in a heartbeat because she is a fervent, steadfast and trustworthy believer who will not be moved. She has the word hid deep in her heart and has a love to match it whether you believe that or not. She is very sensitive to the things of God and should be commended for her diligence in ministering to the saints and other believers that come here to CC and also that are in her life elsewhere. She truly has a laid down life and no one could ask for a better friend.
If we only see and hear according to our own capacity it will limit how we grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ and how we comprehend the love of God with one another / Eph 3:16-21.
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
I want to say this delicately but if I don't try to receive it anyways with the capacity that you have as a man. You simply talk too much and have too much to say about too many things. You should learn how to study to be quiet / 1Thes 4:11. If you are really seeking the righteousness of God, you would learn that the effect of righteousness is quietness ...and quiet resting places / Is 32:17,18.
The preacher learned this principle of the tongue and the words of the tongue when he concluded that God was in heaven and he was upon the earth, so he should not be hasty with his words and keep his words few / Eccl 5:2. I know it is hard for some to do but a meek and quiet spirit in the sight of God is of great price / 1Pt 3:4. That is not just instruction for women but especially women. Since Feb 3 you average almost (30) posts a day and have started (43) threads in as little as (3) weeks. That speaks for itself and it's alot. I don't say this to stop you from saying the things you want, but use discretion.
Many of us have the same spirit that 'imoss' does with the same convictions because we are Christians. I would trust her with my life in a heartbeat because she is a fervent, steadfast and trustworthy believer who will not be moved. She has the word hid deep in her heart and has a love to match it whether you believe that or not. She is very sensitive to the things of God and should be commended for her diligence in ministering to the saints and other believers that come here to CC and also that are in her life elsewhere. She truly has a laid down life and no one could ask for a better friend.
If we only see and hear according to our own capacity it will limit how we grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ and how we comprehend the love of God with one another / Eph 3:16-21.
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
Our anger never, never, works the righteousness of God. If I become angry, I know that I have lost sight of the Spirit, that I have run ahead of Him, in my own strength, to do as I will. God's anger burns against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. Our anger should not even get started.
I have a terrible temper. I got this from both my dad and mother, and both of my grandfathers. I have struggled with my temper for years. I can speak with a cutting word before I even know what I have said. And then, I must repent, and apologize, and pray that the Father clean up the mess I have made. I have never, never been angry when it was righteous. Neither has any man but Jesus.
"Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in gentleness of wisdom. But if you have biter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."
"Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother, or judges his brother, speaks against the law, and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge of it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judges your neighbor?"
"But now you also, put them all aside; anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true konwledge according to the image of the One who created him - a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all."
"And so, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. And beyond all these thing, put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body."
I have a terrible temper. I got this from both my dad and mother, and both of my grandfathers. I have struggled with my temper for years. I can speak with a cutting word before I even know what I have said. And then, I must repent, and apologize, and pray that the Father clean up the mess I have made. I have never, never been angry when it was righteous. Neither has any man but Jesus.
"Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in gentleness of wisdom. But if you have biter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."
"Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother, or judges his brother, speaks against the law, and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge of it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judges your neighbor?"
"But now you also, put them all aside; anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true konwledge according to the image of the One who created him - a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all."
"And so, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. And beyond all these thing, put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body."
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Our anger never, never, works the righteousness of God. If I become angry, I know that I have lost sight of the Spirit, that I have run ahead of Him, in my own strength, to do as I will. God's anger burns against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. Our anger should not even get started.AMEN!!!!!!! Said with a pure heart, thank you for these words!
I think this can go on and on, Vw I appreciate your response, and without a doubt anger from the flesh is certainly not something we want to be doing.
Righteous anger is somthing different altogether, I have explained some of in a post earlier. Didn't even paul get angry with the Galatians? Im talking about an anger of injustice etc, not a raving lunatic anger that we do in the flesh. But, we have to be carefull that it does not turn into fleshly anger, Eph 4, 'be angry, but do not sin' think its verse 26.
Im not talking about having a temper anger, im not an angry person, and as far as I recall have never really took a bad temper, Im easy going.
do you get angry when you see someone killing another, do you get angry when you see people abusing children, do you get angry when you see injustice to those who can't help themselves...of course but, we either help the situation in love (not in temper) or if cannot actually physicsally help we take it to the Lord in Loving prayer.
Ask your Pastor.
Kind regards
Phil
Righteous anger is somthing different altogether, I have explained some of in a post earlier. Didn't even paul get angry with the Galatians? Im talking about an anger of injustice etc, not a raving lunatic anger that we do in the flesh. But, we have to be carefull that it does not turn into fleshly anger, Eph 4, 'be angry, but do not sin' think its verse 26.
Im not talking about having a temper anger, im not an angry person, and as far as I recall have never really took a bad temper, Im easy going.
do you get angry when you see someone killing another, do you get angry when you see people abusing children, do you get angry when you see injustice to those who can't help themselves...of course but, we either help the situation in love (not in temper) or if cannot actually physicsally help we take it to the Lord in Loving prayer.
Ask your Pastor.
Kind regards
Phil
First of all I request that you read what you've written as I've quoted here and just reflect on how one might interpret that. Secondly I will request that in the future when you quote others you quote them not just have them in a different color as I attributed some posts to you that were in fact written by others in my assessment of who you are in the walk with the Lord and your position on Christ. Please use proper quoting procedure as this caused a lot of confusion on my part. I have spent the last hour reading your posts and have found in fact you most likeley do not believe as you stated in the quoted post below. I apologise to my brothers & sisters in Christ for you are right anger has no place here. Also, you have alot to say about being falsly accused when I in no way identified you, so if a warning is just a warning without someone being identified is it a false accusation against an individual or is it just a warning? This is the post that upset me so after watching the video of miktre that showed the pope allowing certain things he shouldnt & then my beloved Billy Graham saying things I never thought I'd hear him say. I'm sorry things went the way they did. You requested what had me upset with you & i've bolded what upset me. pretend you are not you... pretend you are someone else reading this who doesnt know you from your previous posts. I would hate to be judged based on one of my posts especially the unbecoming ones & given that I will reflect on only judging others with the measure to which I wish to be judged. Again, based on your other posts I have determined that I may have err'd in my assessment of you. I cant say that I falsely accused you as I didnt identify you, YOU identified you.
QUOTE ASPEN "I know that Robert Schuler has become a Universalist in his later years. As far as the Pope is concerned, he is not advocating or even agreeing with other religions – he is simply acknowledging that they exist and nurture some really amazing, spiritually minded people. I used to be afraid of this kind of thing, too; but now, doctrinal correctness takes a backseat to sanctification of the heart. We are all guilty of doctrinal errors – which can and will be corrected easily enough it Heaven. I am much more concerned about the condition of my heart and the hearts of my neighbors – are we going to be able to accept correction or will we resist and possible argue with God about the way things really are? Believe me, I have met more than one Calvinist that was willing to go toe to toe over doctrine and take no prisoners! After being reduced to a theological grease spot on the ground, I wondered if they were practicing for a showdown with God, someday. As unorthodox as this may sound – the Buddhists I know have a much better understanding and practice of managing pride then many of the Calvinists I have run into me. Sheesh, even the men who passed up the Samaritan were not guilty of knocking him on his butt in the first place!
**The most important thing is not what you know about God, it is the sanctification of your heart. Are you humble enough to receive correction – it your focus on caring for your neighbor or correcting him? End quote aspen
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Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain - Mark Twain
Man finds it hard to get what he wants, because he does not want the best; God finds it hard to give, because He would give the best, and man will not take it. - George MacDonald
The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reason. - Voltaire
this is aspen quoting me: So correct me if I'm wrong in my assessment of this post. You have indicated a Buddhist will go to heaven If they have the right heart?
Like the Pharisees, you are relying too heavily on your own mind – God works through people regardless of the completeness of their theological understanding. I agree that Christianity is the most correct religion, but others are on a continuum of correctness – CS Lewis taught this as well and there was nothing new age about him. The fact is, Buddhism is almost right; the only difference (which, I agree is a big difference) is that their focus is managing personal desire – Christianity’s focus is to love God, self and neighbor. Therefore, it is less likely that a Buddhist would be concerned with Jesus’ sanctification of his heart than a Christian, but it is possible for him to be open to it without possessing a correct doctrinal understanding of Christianity.
Your indication that we need to have a complete understanding of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross is troubling for two reasons:
1.What happens to mentally impaired people? What happens to children? What happens to folks who do not have a Western mindset? What happens to people who become ‘saved’, but retain pagan cultural practices? Are these people exceptions? If so, why is it okay to give them a pass, but attribute other people’s inability to understand Christian doctrine as stemming from pride?
What happens to Christians in our country who get saved, yet still buy into our consumer, narcissistic culture – they’ve read the word and accepted Jesus – they may even have a seminary education, yet they continue to participate fully in the consumption of products they do not need at the expense of poor nations……this issue is more complicated then you believe it to be.
I simply cannot believe that Jesus separates the sheep and the goats based on the unbiblical phrase “Jesus come into my heart”, which is often uttered once and then forgotten. God is to just for this – His will is going to be done in the hearts of people whether they are theologians or not, based on their hearts capacity to love.
2.How much knowledge is enough? Do we simply need to believe that Jesus died for us? Or do we need to understand and be able to diagram the Trinity? Do we only need to confess our sins to God or do we have to understand the way Christ’s process of justification and sanctification works in our hearts to save us? Do we only need to trust Jesus or are we supposed to be about to take a stand on the interplay between faith and works? Finally, do we need to interpret the Bible literally, as our sole authority or are we supposed to study God’s sanctification process in the lives of the saints and look to the Church as equal in authority to the Bible?
In my humble opinion, doctrine is a hobby – I love discussing it – I certainly would not be on this board if I didn’t; but it has nothing to do with the sanctification God can work in the heart that desires humility and love. end quote aspen
aspen quoted me in black: Sounds just like the all roads lead to Heaven new age garbage Oprah supports & Yes I think I will remain, not afraid of this sort of thing, but vehemently opposed!
Then you are missing the point of Christianity completely. God is interested in humility and our capacity to exercise and receive love – forgiveness being the highest expression of love. This has little to do with the mind – our mind simply needs to help us comply to the sanctification that Jesus uses to change us into humble, loving beings. There is nothing universal about this – it is rare to find a heart that is being sanctified to be humble and loving – inside Christianity or out. Jesus had no problem with the theology of the Pharisees – indeed, they had all their theological ducks in a row; Jesus was concerned with the state of their hearts. Instead of complying to sanctification of the heart, the Pharisee where all in their heads and it was acting as a stumbling block for them and the people. This is why Jesus tried to move their knowledge from their brains to their hearts – getting all work up about the Sabbath is meaningless if you are using the law to bind people – in fact, the Sabbath was made to help man – not to bind men in chains
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Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain - Mark Twain
Man finds it hard to get what he wants, because he does not want the best; God finds it hard to give, because He would give the best, and man will not take it. - George MacDonald
The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reason. - Voltaire end quote aspen
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Quote:
The ear that hears the rebukes of life Will abide amoung the wise. He who disdains instruction despises his own soul, But he who heeds rebuke gets understanding. The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom, And before honor is humility.
Proverbs 15 31-33 NKJV
quote SHAD "Don't be religious, be a Spirit-filled dynamo for God and let your light shine before men that they may glorify your Father in heaven / Mt 5:16.
QUOTE ASPEN "I know that Robert Schuler has become a Universalist in his later years. As far as the Pope is concerned, he is not advocating or even agreeing with other religions – he is simply acknowledging that they exist and nurture some really amazing, spiritually minded people. I used to be afraid of this kind of thing, too; but now, doctrinal correctness takes a backseat to sanctification of the heart. We are all guilty of doctrinal errors – which can and will be corrected easily enough it Heaven. I am much more concerned about the condition of my heart and the hearts of my neighbors – are we going to be able to accept correction or will we resist and possible argue with God about the way things really are? Believe me, I have met more than one Calvinist that was willing to go toe to toe over doctrine and take no prisoners! After being reduced to a theological grease spot on the ground, I wondered if they were practicing for a showdown with God, someday. As unorthodox as this may sound – the Buddhists I know have a much better understanding and practice of managing pride then many of the Calvinists I have run into me. Sheesh, even the men who passed up the Samaritan were not guilty of knocking him on his butt in the first place!
**The most important thing is not what you know about God, it is the sanctification of your heart. Are you humble enough to receive correction – it your focus on caring for your neighbor or correcting him? End quote aspen
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Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain - Mark Twain
Man finds it hard to get what he wants, because he does not want the best; God finds it hard to give, because He would give the best, and man will not take it. - George MacDonald
The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reason. - Voltaire
this is aspen quoting me: So correct me if I'm wrong in my assessment of this post. You have indicated a Buddhist will go to heaven If they have the right heart?
Like the Pharisees, you are relying too heavily on your own mind – God works through people regardless of the completeness of their theological understanding. I agree that Christianity is the most correct religion, but others are on a continuum of correctness – CS Lewis taught this as well and there was nothing new age about him. The fact is, Buddhism is almost right; the only difference (which, I agree is a big difference) is that their focus is managing personal desire – Christianity’s focus is to love God, self and neighbor. Therefore, it is less likely that a Buddhist would be concerned with Jesus’ sanctification of his heart than a Christian, but it is possible for him to be open to it without possessing a correct doctrinal understanding of Christianity.
Your indication that we need to have a complete understanding of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross is troubling for two reasons:
1.What happens to mentally impaired people? What happens to children? What happens to folks who do not have a Western mindset? What happens to people who become ‘saved’, but retain pagan cultural practices? Are these people exceptions? If so, why is it okay to give them a pass, but attribute other people’s inability to understand Christian doctrine as stemming from pride?
What happens to Christians in our country who get saved, yet still buy into our consumer, narcissistic culture – they’ve read the word and accepted Jesus – they may even have a seminary education, yet they continue to participate fully in the consumption of products they do not need at the expense of poor nations……this issue is more complicated then you believe it to be.
I simply cannot believe that Jesus separates the sheep and the goats based on the unbiblical phrase “Jesus come into my heart”, which is often uttered once and then forgotten. God is to just for this – His will is going to be done in the hearts of people whether they are theologians or not, based on their hearts capacity to love.
2.How much knowledge is enough? Do we simply need to believe that Jesus died for us? Or do we need to understand and be able to diagram the Trinity? Do we only need to confess our sins to God or do we have to understand the way Christ’s process of justification and sanctification works in our hearts to save us? Do we only need to trust Jesus or are we supposed to be about to take a stand on the interplay between faith and works? Finally, do we need to interpret the Bible literally, as our sole authority or are we supposed to study God’s sanctification process in the lives of the saints and look to the Church as equal in authority to the Bible?
In my humble opinion, doctrine is a hobby – I love discussing it – I certainly would not be on this board if I didn’t; but it has nothing to do with the sanctification God can work in the heart that desires humility and love. end quote aspen
aspen quoted me in black: Sounds just like the all roads lead to Heaven new age garbage Oprah supports & Yes I think I will remain, not afraid of this sort of thing, but vehemently opposed!
Then you are missing the point of Christianity completely. God is interested in humility and our capacity to exercise and receive love – forgiveness being the highest expression of love. This has little to do with the mind – our mind simply needs to help us comply to the sanctification that Jesus uses to change us into humble, loving beings. There is nothing universal about this – it is rare to find a heart that is being sanctified to be humble and loving – inside Christianity or out. Jesus had no problem with the theology of the Pharisees – indeed, they had all their theological ducks in a row; Jesus was concerned with the state of their hearts. Instead of complying to sanctification of the heart, the Pharisee where all in their heads and it was acting as a stumbling block for them and the people. This is why Jesus tried to move their knowledge from their brains to their hearts – getting all work up about the Sabbath is meaningless if you are using the law to bind people – in fact, the Sabbath was made to help man – not to bind men in chains
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Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain - Mark Twain
Man finds it hard to get what he wants, because he does not want the best; God finds it hard to give, because He would give the best, and man will not take it. - George MacDonald
The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reason. - Voltaire end quote aspen
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Quote:
The ear that hears the rebukes of life Will abide amoung the wise. He who disdains instruction despises his own soul, But he who heeds rebuke gets understanding. The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom, And before honor is humility.
Proverbs 15 31-33 NKJV
quote SHAD "Don't be religious, be a Spirit-filled dynamo for God and let your light shine before men that they may glorify your Father in heaven / Mt 5:16.
C
You are lumping alot of people into one group. I have never seen IMoss claim to have never sinned, I've never seen her say anything like what you are saying about Israel and I've never seen her reject the trinity. And again, your own prejudices as you assume that anyone who would disagree with you is anti-intellectual and then there is this "I must be wasting my time here" thing. What do you mean by that? Have you come to bring us poor ignorant folk the light of your intellect? As for Israel, he started this conversation, and he's the one that spun it up. You are angry at IMoss because you believe that she lied about you, but she spoke exactly the impression that many have of you, that you are most reluctant about the truths of the gospel that are most socially unacceptable.
Imoss, it does not matter what has happened, but what we do with our hearts about it. God judges the inside, the motives and the intentions, the feelings that are truly why we do a thing. And our friend the Spirit comforts us when we see the wrong in us, and He helps us to remember. It is easy to harden our hearts to others, to conviction, to compassion and love, even for those who are unlovable. It is hard to open our hearts to the light of the Spirit as He searches the deep things in us, in our hearts, to show us what God would change in us. And when we see, when the light shines in us, in our hearts, then we are changed, by the light of His love given in and to us by His Spirit.
I have always felt, ever since I first knew the Holy Spirit, that He is the heart of God. No scripture for this, just the way I see Him and His place in us and in the Lord Jesus. He is intimately associated with God's love in us. He is jealously desired by the Father, the Spirit He has caused to dwell in us. As we get to know Him, we find the love of God, enough for the entire creation, residing in us. And this love is for us first, and then to those around us through us from Him. This makes us like God, on the inside, where it counts, where God judges by our hearts motives.
I know that you have His work in you.
Glory be to God the Father for His wonderful gift of love in His Spirit through Jesus Christ.
I have always felt, ever since I first knew the Holy Spirit, that He is the heart of God. No scripture for this, just the way I see Him and His place in us and in the Lord Jesus. He is intimately associated with God's love in us. He is jealously desired by the Father, the Spirit He has caused to dwell in us. As we get to know Him, we find the love of God, enough for the entire creation, residing in us. And this love is for us first, and then to those around us through us from Him. This makes us like God, on the inside, where it counts, where God judges by our hearts motives.
I know that you have His work in you.
Glory be to God the Father for His wonderful gift of love in His Spirit through Jesus Christ.