An Apology

[Utah]

well in response I didn't get past your first sentence, because I understand that the first apology, was pretty offensive to Christians. if I were you I would first read His posts in the thread, IF you find the need to say what you said about me attacking or condemning anyone. maybe you should get past a sentence or two and actually see whats being said that way you can be fully informed and have a good basis for your response. just a thought though, you are your own man

Here's the second sentence that you missed: "Its like a murderer saying, "Yeah, I did it. And?"

 

[Blain]

lol I understood originally that it comes from a heart of humility in you, I didn't mean any offense or anything, just wanted to respect the humble heart you possess. there was no error in your words, you directed glory to God, and humility and I just wanted to respect that. I appreciate the traits you always seem to reflect in your words, just wanted to let you know that Christ shines in you and is visable. you are the light of the world matthew 5:14-16, God bless and "your gentleness is evident to all brother"

well... I always speak my heart and usually God is the one that my heart seems to speak from but I sometimes worry because I say somethings that even I don't understand. in a thread in the bible discussion forum today I said things i have never said before and looking back I am worried I said something really dumb. Not sure why but I spoke of a sword everyone wields not the bible one one that is our words our actions our hearts deepest thoughts how it can cut down or how it can be used to build up ect.

I just worry that I may speak from my heart a little too much lol

 

[jasonj]

Here's the second sentence that you missed: "Its like a murderer saying, "Yeah, I did it. And?"

post 28, and 31 in this thread, you are not informed, you are reacting from the original offensive post. I find sincerity and repentance in His apology. I think you mis understand pretty much anything I say, or can say. so in the effort of mutual peace, God bless you friend

 

[Blain]

post 28, and 31 in this thread, you are not informed, you are reacting from the original offensive post. I find sincerity and repentance in His apology. I think you mis understand pretty much anything I say, or can say. so in the effort of mutual peace, God bless you friend

A humble heart has more power in it than a heart that proves themselves right well done

 

[jasonj]

well... I always speak my heart and usually God is the one that my heart seems to speak from but I sometimes worry because I say somethings that even I don't understand. in a thread in the bible discussion forum today I said things i have never said before and looking back I am worried I said something really dumb. Not sure why but I spoke of a sword everyone wields not the bible one one that is our words our actions our hearts deepest thoughts how it can cut down or how it can be used to build up ect.

I just worry that I may speak from my heart a little too much lol

Christ is on the throne in your heart, you are dead on with our words power to cut down or build up. that's the word of God in you bro. I am gonna pray daily for you if your okay with that, I really am moved in my heart that God is going to accomplish some great things in you, for the sake of others. don't be afraid to speak your heart, even if your heart is saying keep quiet. I don't personally know you, but my own heart is really telling me that God has some mighty plans for you, because of the humility and Love you exhibit. God bless you bro

 

[jasonj]

A humble heart has more power in it than a heart that proves themselves right well done

amen, good words hopefully people will take them and consider the much you said here in just a few words.

 

[Blain]

Christ is on the throne in your heart, you are dead on with our words power to cut down or build up. that's the word of God in you bro. I am gonna pray daily for you if your okay with that, I really am moved in my heart that God is going to accomplish some great things in you, for the sake of others. don't be afraid to speak your heart, even if your heart is saying keep quiet. I don't personally know you, but my own heart is really telling me that God has some mighty plans for you, because of the humility and Love you exhibit. God bless you bro

I have been told by a lot of people that very same thing, if he intends to use me for great things well he knows that i am always open and available so long as the conditions that I made are always met. Before he and I really went deep into this walk i made certain conditions, I told him if we are going to do this then we either go all out or not at all we either give it everything we've got or else theres no point. I then said and if we are going to be strong if we are going to dive that deep and far into your realm it has to be out love for you and for all others and it has to be the love that comes from your heart alone it can never be about me.

Funny really I wasn't trying to make demands it's just i wanted to make sure we did all this for the very reason he did, but I don't trust my heart to be able to uphold these conditions so I handed him the power and the authority to uphold and make sure these conditions were always met. You and I may not know each other that well yet but the great thing about an online forum is that ppl tend to speak their hearts and show who they really are inside because I mean we're behind a computer screen:b
I hope to learn more of your heart as well

 

[Utah]

post 28, and 31 in this thread, you are not informed, you are reacting from the original offensive post. I find sincerity and repentance in His apology. I think you mis understand pretty much anything I say, or can say. so in the effort of mutual peace, God bless you friend

I like you, Jason; a blind man can see the magnitude of your caring heart. However not everyone has your tenderness. Some folks are better equipped to share tough love from time to time. I do not see repentance in what you call his apology. He's 27, let him man up and defend himself rather than just sitting back watching others bicker over him.

 

[crosstweed]

HAHAHA... nope.

 

[jasonj]

I like you, Jason; a blind man can see the magnitude of your caring heart. However not everyone has your tenderness. Some folks are better equipped to share tough love from time to time. I do not see repentance in what you call his apology. He's 27, let him man up and defend himself rather than just sitting back watching others bicker over him.

like I said, I have no authority over anyone, but if I see a group of Christians representing Christ in unforgiveness, I will now and always speak the truth of His word concerning forgiveness. its clear to you what he teaches about forgiveness isn't it? tough Love as you say needs to line up woith the teachings of Jesus Christ. when you say I'm condemning, in fact that's what youd call tough Love, because what I said lined up with His word. I'm good with every word I have written and it is approved by both conscience and heart, most importantly Jesus Christ. I havce nothing against you either that's the truth. God bless you though I hope that in all things each of us are not opposed to growth because none of us are complete quite yet no matter our age. the teachings of Jesus Christ have to be the standard for Christians to accept.

 

[AuntieAnt]

HAHAHA... nope.

Yo, Sis!! Wait for me!!!!

 

[Utah]

like I said, I have no authority over anyone, but if I see a group of Christians representing Christ in unforgiveness, I will now and always speak the truth of His word concerning forgiveness. its clear to you what he teaches about forgiveness isn't it? tough Love as you say needs to line up woith the teachings of Jesus Christ. when you say I'm condemning, in fact that's what youd call tough Love, because what I said lined up with His word. I'm good with every word I have written and it is approved by both conscience and heart, most importantly Jesus Christ. I havce nothing against you either that's the truth. God bless you though I hope that in all things each of us are not opposed to growth because none of us are complete quite yet no matter our age. the teachings of Jesus Christ have to be the standard for Christians to accept.

You see lack of forgiveness; I see mature Christians rebuking insincerity. And there are heartfelt prayers being lifted from those same people who are rebuking that insincere individual.

 

[JennaLeanne]

I like you, Jason; a blind man can see the magnitude of your caring heart. However not everyone has your tenderness. Some folks are better equipped to share tough love from time to time. I do not see repentance in what you call his apology. He's 27, let him man up and defend himself rather than just sitting back watching others bicker over him.

Its jesus in us that makes us tender hearted... So even though we may not see that we have it its still there available to us all if we will die to our own opinions and judgements in the flesh xxxxxx

 

[jasonj]

You see lack of forgiveness; I see mature Christians rebuking insincerity. And there are heartfelt prayers being lifted from those same people who are rebuking that insincere individual.

okay ill leave it there and let you have the last word lol ( other than me saying you have the last word) God bless

 

[Utah]

okay ill leave it there and let you have the last word lol ( other than me saying you have the last word) God bless

If I am to have the last word, that word will be, Jesus Christ Reigns!

 

[jasonj]

If I am to have the last word, that word will be, Jesus Christ Reigns!

well now I gotta take another : AMEN

 

[Utah]

Its jesus in us that makes us tender hearted... So even though we may not see that we have it its still there available to us all if we will die to our own opinions and judgements in the flesh xxxxxx

I'm a hospice chaplain; my heart is most definitely tender. Don't get it twisted.

 

[JennaLeanne]

I'm a hospice chaplain; my heart is most definitely tender. Don't get it twisted.

That wasn't directed at you i was just saying it to us all as a body. Sorry if i offended you xx

 

[kaylagrl]

you have the right to feel as you do, and I condemned no one, simply pointed to the fact forgiveness isn't conditional except upon the request to be forgiven and I stand by every word I have written in this thread with confidence and full assurance of Jesus Words. The word of God identifies Him as Love actually, sometimes tough Love and Love doesn't erase consequences. But really look at The teachings of Jesus and you will find bless those who insult you, forgive freely. if the Lord says "if your brother sins against you 7 times in a day and says I repent, forgive Him" or not 7 times but 77 times, or if its 7 times 70....ill go with His instruction over people who disregard His instruction. you say I'm condemning someone, really what I did was saw a group of "Christians" neglecting to forgive someone who did express repentance much better in His second apology, and also displayed a change in attitude. you are all saying well hes done this a lot before, so what, forgiveness isn't limited by what we have done in the past. I have been forgiven far too much, to refuse to forgive anyone who asks for forgiveness. I offered forgiveness after His 2nd apology wich I believed. My reaction to His first "apology" I stand by also as the right reaction from someone who is a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings. do we administer the consequences when someone mocks us? or are we told to forgive someone who asks? I have no need to defend anything I have said here, it is commended By the Lords teachings. Blaine and a few others reacted in accordance to those teachings and are worthy of commendation.

I think you are confusing me condemning someone with me pointing out the lack of a good example in refusing to forgive the guy. yall are trying to limit and put future behavior on him because you have observed his past behavior, people can change in Christ, and I thank God for that. if he posts a similar message in the future and asks forgiveness, ill be right there to forgive him and offer prayer, and let him know that Christians forgive, its what we do.

I'm tired of a lot of things also but it doesn't really matter much, ill still do my best to follow Jesus even when I'm tired of what others do to represent him. its more about Jesus feelings on things than my own. God bless you

Quote ". The word of God identifies Him as Love actually, sometimes tough Love and Love doesn't erase consequences. But really look at The teachings of Jesus and you will find bless those who insult you, forgive freely. if the Lord says "if your brother sins against you 7 times in a day and says I repent, forgive Him" or not 7 times but 77 times, or if its 7 times 70....ill go with His instruction over people who disregard His instruction"

I dont feel I need to forgive him,he hasn't insulted me personally. So this really doesn't apply to me.


Quote " really what I did was saw a group of "Christians" neglecting to forgive someone who did express repentance much better in His second apology"

I haven't seen his second apology. He did much better? Maybe because he was rebuked for mocking God,perhaps?

Quote " you are all saying well hes done this a lot before, so what, forgiveness isn't limited by what we have done in the past. "

Yes,he has,and under a different name. So it makes people think he's trolling,first of all. My issue is mocking God,saying God crapped on him and other things he's said under another name. There are times people need to be called out. He went over the line. Im not going to stand by while someone says those things about God. I cant.

Quote" to refuse to forgive anyone who asks for forgiveness."

He wasn't asking for forgiveness in the post I responded to.

Quote "My reaction to His first "apology" I stand by"

And I stand by mine. As I have said this isn't the first time he has said such things.

Quote "I stand by also as the right reaction from someone who is a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings."

So now your judging those who disagree with you? So you forgive him and judge those who disagree with you. That makes no sense.

Quote " do we administer the consequences when someone mocks us? or are we told to forgive someone who asks? I have no need to defend anything I have said here, it is commended By the Lords teachings. Blaine and a few others reacted in accordance to those teachings and are worthy of commendation."

He didn't mock me,he mocked God. You may not have an issue with that,I do.You're entitled to your opinion. Im not going to let this posters nonsense pass. If he wants to talk about issues and problems and be real,I'll be more than happy to listen. But to say nonsense like "God crapped on me" no,God is Holy. That is unacceptable.

Quote " people can change in Christ, and I thank God for that"

I totally agree but sometimes people need a wake up call. Im sorry,I just cant let his mocking God pass.


Quote "if he posts a similar message in the future and asks forgiveness, ill be right there to forgive him and offer prayer, and let him know that Christians forgive, its what we do."

Its like I said before,God is Holy. For him to make the statements he has here and in the past,he needs to be warned that God is Holy. And God cares about the soul. Jesus told the rich young ruler to give everything away to the poor. He couldn't do it because he was focused on the world,not heavenly things.The OP has come at us again and again with this same complaint. But most of all God is Holy. I cant stand by why people are saying such things about HIm

 

[kaylagrl]

I would like to apologize, Christian family on ChristianChat.

I am apologizing...because I placed an unfair expectation on many of you. I came to ChristianChat expecting to find out how to become rich in God, gain the money needed, give back to prosper Christianity, and move from here. I now know that to not be the case.

I also apologize...because I assumed many of you here had achieved wordly success, and may have known how to achieve it in Christ. I'm not potshotting anyone, but if someone truly was able to achieve worldly success in life, I should have known better than to think they would have the physical time required to fellowship on an online forum. That was my fault, and I'm sorry for expecting more than I should have.

I came thinking I could have found someone who made a strong six-figure income, and took some time out of their day to find someone they can guide. I was foolish to have thought so. Many Christians I have met...95% of them, have not achieved success, and the 5% that have...are not on sites like this.

I came looking for money, success, a dream, and a vision, ALL IN CHRIST, to make my life better. You cant do that on the internet. You need to go through the process, and fight for your success. I have over 20 years of failures, dissapointments, loneliness, frustration, and denial, and for me to have thought Jesus could fix or cure it...makes ME the idiot for pursuing that angle, and I'm sorry I came here with that focus.

If you came here to feel better and be in fellowship, amen. You're in the right place.
If you want money...you want to be admired by the opposite sex...if you want a house in the next 2-5 years...if you want blessing for your business or enterprise to thrive...if you want ANYTHING of gain in your life..

...Jesus Christ cannot help you. At all.
All he did was offer himself to die on a cross for your sins.
If your life is great, fantastic, you have an added benefit in Jesus' selfless sacrifice.
If your life sucked, sorry. Jesus' death and ressurection is the only thing you can look forward to.

Folks, the bible wasn't meant for victory in this world. It's just a history of God.
God blesses some. He curses some.
If you were blessed, lucky you. BE SUPREMELY THANKFUL.
If you were cursed, God crapped on you. Sorry. Better luck next time. God expect you to be thankful for your lack of blessing. If you're a believer, you must be thankful for the crap he loaded on you.

Some of you are ok with that. AWESOME.
Some of you are disturbed by that fact. Sorry. THIS is the truth of Christianity.

Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again. The end.
Anything else, you're on your own bub.


I understand now, CC.
Sorry for all of that. I wont be pushing any issues anymore, because the truth has been laid to bare.

If you desire success, it's not God who blesses you with it...it's your OWN COMPOUNDED ACTIONS, over a CONSISTENT and PERSISTENT period of time, that make the difference.

This is the truth.
Make your decision.

Good day.

So some of you can understand where some of us are coming from....

http://christianchat.com/christian-young-adults-forum/127826-observations.html



Heres a post,see if it sounds familiar...

God doesn't know jack squat of what I, or any other person wants. I have a dream. A dream to unite many people towards a right way of living...where no tyrannical God takes away from them, makes them suffer, or tricks them with scripture.

I have a dream where I can put smiles on people's faces, wipe away their suffering, be a GENUINE friend and leader, and be a provider of good things to those who hurt in pain. I have a dream where I can liberate the just and the righteous in life from the oppression of tyrants and monsters, and where they can place their faith in someone who will not leave them betrayed and suffering (Like God does all the time).

I have a dream where I can teach people how to live successfully, manage their money and assets to multiply their income and use it to benefit humanity (something God YHWH the father FAILS AT EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF EXISTENCE). I have a dream where I can liberate people from their suffering, and allow them to live a happy life of achievement and signifigance, no matter their bodily condition, no matter their social class or upbrining, no matter their misfortune or lack of victory...

I have a dream that people can live a life of significance without being discriminated by a tyrannical God who gives to some, and cheats others. I have a dream that people can discover a Jesus who truly loves them, and just doesn't demand them to give up their RIGHT TO LIVE A LIFE OF DIGNITY AND RESPECT. I have a dream where I can provide a system for people to liberate themselves from poverty, struggle, and suffering, and where they can come to know a God that cares, instead of a God who withholds blessing.

I have a dream to ANSWER PEOPLE'S PRAYERS, AND HELP THE PEOPLE GOD LEFT FOR DEAD AND NEGLECTED. I have a dream to be the answer to a suffering person's prayers. I have a dream to prove God is real to people who doubt. I have a dream to fix the problems in people's lives GOD HAS REFUSED TO FIX, OR HELP OUT WITH.

I have a dream to be the answer to everyone's prayers. I have a dream to prove God is real, and not a jerk tyrant. I have a dream to put smiles on the faces of people who God has stolen from, and hurt, and cheated, and tricked, and deceived.

I want to bring blessing to people who never even knew they could, because GOD THE FATHER NEVER CARED TO BE A FRIEND IN THEIR LIVES.

Are you satisfied now, blind sheep?