Once Saved Always saved....Read this
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This is what I know, yes in the bdf their are many attacks there are many who believe they have the correct doctrine and God forbid you try to show them wrong. But the bible discussion forum is a war zone and so it brings out the worst in others. but have been in the other forums here? you don't hardly ever see war in the other forums
How so? If I previously said that we are saved BY righteous conduct/good works, then that would be a contradiction, but I said we are saved FOR righteous conduct/good works, so there is no contradiction. Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus FOR good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Saved FOR good works, NOT by good works. No contradiction there.
Be encouraged. The reason you are attacked is because the hyper grace crowd believe those who just believe Christ and walk with Him are legalists and not saved. It appears to be because they were brought up in the church, tried to follow Christ by obeying the rules and finally got a view of Christs immeasurable love. They then think all christian unless like them are legalists. They also change the meaning of scripture to be dispensational, so large parts can be ignored because they applied only to those before the cross.
The sad thing is they sincerely believe good christians are not saved are evil and should be exposed and opposed.
As one quoted yesterday "Paul would vehemently oppose ..." implying he did not support desiring to be like Jesus, on the understanding we have already arrived. It gets difficult to discuss subjects because they have changed the meaning of so much, so when clarifying the points with scripture the same verses in scripture mean different things to them.
They will then say we are taking it out of context, because their context and meaning is very different from our own.
So the sermon on the mount is aimed at Jews, to show how sinful they are by not following the full law.
It is deemed as saying we are all sinners forever condemned to failure except by having Christs righteousness on us every day. The upshot is sin does not matter because it has already been dealt with on the cross. Some will say because we do not have to be righteous, we will now want to be. How this is the power of the gospel I do not know, because capitulation to sin is the simple defeat they hold on to. And yes we need to stand up for Jesus victory, because there is no need to capitulate, because the Lord has won the great prize and we can walk with Him, Amen.
The sad thing is they sincerely believe good christians are not saved are evil and should be exposed and opposed.
As one quoted yesterday "Paul would vehemently oppose ..." implying he did not support desiring to be like Jesus, on the understanding we have already arrived. It gets difficult to discuss subjects because they have changed the meaning of so much, so when clarifying the points with scripture the same verses in scripture mean different things to them.
They will then say we are taking it out of context, because their context and meaning is very different from our own.
So the sermon on the mount is aimed at Jews, to show how sinful they are by not following the full law.
It is deemed as saying we are all sinners forever condemned to failure except by having Christs righteousness on us every day. The upshot is sin does not matter because it has already been dealt with on the cross. Some will say because we do not have to be righteous, we will now want to be. How this is the power of the gospel I do not know, because capitulation to sin is the simple defeat they hold on to. And yes we need to stand up for Jesus victory, because there is no need to capitulate, because the Lord has won the great prize and we can walk with Him, Amen.
Hyper grace is too new of a doctrine for me to debate about it, several people have attempted to explain it to me but I still don't get it. This is what I know and believe about grace-His grace covers our sins everything we did every sin every darkness is gone in his eyes and with a repentant heart knowing how deep his grace is but knowing grace is not a free ticket to sin and do as we please we do not fear his judgement and when we sin when we screw up we are forgiven.
It's actually because his grace is so deep and because he didn't bring punishment on me that I was able to keep going when and stay strong.
It's actually because his grace is so deep and because he didn't bring punishment on me that I was able to keep going when and stay strong.
Interesting and accurate use of words. Sounds like how the gnostics treated Christians. A tree is known by its fruit.
Against Heresies
Animal men, again, are instructed in animal things; such men, namely, as are established by their works, and by a mere faith, while they have not perfect knowledge. We of the Church, [the gnostics] say, are these persons.
... [the gnostics] run us [of the Church] down (who from the fear of God guard against sinning even in thought or word) as utterly contemptible and ignorant persons, while they highly exalt themselves, and claim to be perfect, and the elect seed.
Animal men, again, are instructed in animal things; such men, namely, as are established by their works, and by a mere faith, while they have not perfect knowledge. We of the Church, [the gnostics] say, are these persons.
... [the gnostics] run us [of the Church] down (who from the fear of God guard against sinning even in thought or word) as utterly contemptible and ignorant persons, while they highly exalt themselves, and claim to be perfect, and the elect seed.
I'm with Budman, but HeRose does have a point. It's the same question I've had ever since accepting and living the teaching of OSAS. I just haven't found any logical explanation to it. I still believe it's the truth though. It came to me more of a revelation than an intellectual pursuit.
The thing is, if one cannot sin = no free will. That's very contradictory.
**EDIT: I'm trying to present it from HeRose's perspective as how I understood it.
The thing is, if one cannot sin = no free will. That's very contradictory.
**EDIT: I'm trying to present it from HeRose's perspective as how I understood it.
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Hope you stick around. It's a great place to learn from other people's mistakes. 
Just put the idiots on ignore.
Just put the idiots on ignore.
He would have to put himself and you on ignore then.
nd there you go caling people names again. And you want people to think you resemble Christ? (SMH)
Has anyone reported this post yet? (for calling people stupid) I am sure they are sick of me reporting posts lately.