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[Blain]

Thats hypergrace. (Or what people have termed to be hypergrace)

No matter what Peter Jens, Herosefromthedead, or anyone else try;s to tell you. From what I have seen, This is hypergrace.

I don't really know, hyper grace to me sounds more like a very high level of grace but not in a good way just from the name hyper grace.
The word hyper grace makes me think of those who live as they please because his grace is that deep you know the whole free ticket to sin thing, this may or may not be what hyper grace is but from the words of hyper grace that is what it makes me think.
Regardless of how deep his grace is it is not to used in a such manner it's taking for granted and treating his deep grace in a horrible manner.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What law? I don't know any Christians that are jews so get off that law stuff

who is defending jews? Are you under a lesser demand that jews were?

was paul talkingn to jews only in Gal when he said the law was to lead us to christ?

What standard did paul use in romans 3: 23? What law did we fall short of?

and can you please calm your little attitude down,, You not being very christlike.

either way, thanks for proving me right, You water Gods law down so you can consider yourself righteous.

Keep trying that, You will fail. Gods law will stand, Every jot and tittle will continue forever..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is not "hypergrace".
Blain has not just describe "hypergrace" but has described the Grace of God through Jesus Christ.

Hypergrace - Grace same difference.

Hyper-grace does not teach licentiousness.. No one has proven yet in weeks and weeks of debate that they do..

I keep hearing people claim it does. Then I read their proof, and talk to people who they say teach it, And they teach nothing new under the sun.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I'm with Budman, but HeRose does have a point. It's the same question I've had ever since accepting and living the teaching of OSAS. I just haven't found any logical explanation to it. I still believe it's the truth though. It came to me more of a revelation than an intellectual pursuit.

The thing is, if one cannot sin = no free will. That's very contradictory.

**EDIT: I'm trying to present it from HeRose's perspective as how I understood it.

I was just trying to get him to commit himself to what he believed 1 John 3:9 meant. But since he was unwilling to do that, the conversation stopped because it's pointless to keep going around in circles.

The words that are translated as cannot in 1 John 3:9 actually mean not able. Of course any man is able to sin, so this verse cannot be saying (meaning it's impossible) that one born of GOD doesn't have the ability to sin.

What it can and does mean is determined from the context of the verse and the definition of the verb that is translated as sin, which really means to be sinning.

So IMO this is what 1 John 3:9 means. Those who are born from above are not able to live in a continuing condition of sinning because the holy spirit (GOD's seed) within them will convict and command them to repent and cease from sin. So one born of GOD is not able to be living in a continued state of sinning because (s)he is under the constraint of the holy spirit. Those who are not born of GOD, do not have this constraint. That's why it says in the next verse:

By this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: everyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. 1 John 3:10​

However, since all men have free will, any believer is able to ignore the holy spirit and continue in sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But we don't live by the Law, Jesus fulfilled the law, we now live by faith and we are given the grace we need that covers our sinful natuer and the Holy Spirit to lead us.

You live by grace only because of the cross of Christ, who took the things against you, contrary to you, and nailed them to the cross. Who became a curse for you.

Until you are born again, You are under law..

romans 1 makes this clear. the law written in stone was written on our hearts. And that law is still valid, has been since Adam and eve first sinned.

 

[Blain]

Hypergrace may just be a new name for an already existing doctrine

 

[Nikki84]

who is defending jews? Are you under a lesser demand that jews were?

was paul talkingn to jews only in Gal when he said the law was to lead us to christ?

What standard did paul use in romans 3: 23? What law did we fall short of?

and can you please calm your little attitude down,, You not being very christlike.

either way, thanks for proving me right, You water Gods law down so you can consider yourself righteous.

Keep trying that, You will fail. Gods law will stand, Every jot and tittle will continue forever..

You should really seek professional help

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Hypergrace may just be a new name for an already existing doctrine

No it's an entirely different doctrine.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't really know, hyper grace to me sounds more like a very high level of grace but not in a good way just from the name hyper grace.

WHo gave them that name? Have you asked that?

The word hyper grace makes me think of those who live as they please because his grace is that deep you know the whole free ticket to sin thing, this may or may not be what hyper grace is but from the words of hyper grace that is what it makes me think.
Regardless of how deep his grace is it is not to used in a such manner it's taking for granted and treating his deep grace in a horrible manner.

The bible had a term for that, It was called licentiousness. It is nothing new under the son, people have been following that form of salvation by just mere belief since the time christ walked the earth.

we could go by the term, and judge, without asking people. or we could go to the source.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hypergrace may just be a new name for an already existing doctrine

Ask the people who supposedly believe in it.. or follow it.

don;t just be like some in here, and assume you know what it means..

 

[AbigailZeke]

The greek would show a continual habitual lifestyle of sin..

A child of God can not live like the world does (known as being a sinner)

I was just trying to get him to commit himself to what he believed 1 John 3:9 meant. But since he was unwilling to do that, the conversation stopped because it's pointless to keep going around in circles.

The words that are translated as cannot in 1 John 3:9 actually mean not able. Of course any man is able to sin, so this verse cannot be saying (meaning it's impossible) that one born of GOD doesn't have the ability to sin.

What it can and does mean is determined from the context of the verse and the definition of the verb that is translated as sin, which really means to be sinning.

So IMO this is what 1 John 3:9 means. Those who are born from above are not able to live in a continuing condition of sinning because the holy spirit (GOD's seed) within them will convict and command them to repent and cease from sin. So one born of GOD is not able to be living in a continued state of sinning because (s)he is under the constraint of the holy spirit. Those who are not born of GOD, do not have this constraint. That's why it says in the next verse:

By this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: everyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. 1 John 3:10​

However, since all men have free will, any believer is able to ignore the holy spirit and continue in sin.

Oh okay, that's new to me. So I guess it comes down to whether free will is superior to the constraint of the Holy Spirit?

 

[PeterJens]

No. The Sermon on the Mount is directed at you and any others who think they have the inherent ability to make themselves acceptable to a holy and perfect God.

We hold the sermon on the mount applies to all christians and through the cross we have power to obey.
There are two distortion hyper grace add to the sermon on the mount.
We must be perfect in everything, we must never get angry.

We are called to love our enemies as God does, because He is perfect, so we also should do this.

Hyper-grace believe it is impossible to walk blamelessly, and interpret the law as just stating so.
Now we agree this is what the law does to those who are trying to justify themselves by the law.
But those who walk in love overcome the limitations of the flesh, and walk in obedience to Jesus's commands.

But this is where they say we are lying, because they believe and find it is impossible for them to do. But rather than work through their problems they change their theology. Not a good combination.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You should really seek professional help

how is this person still here??

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I continue to think you are unstable . You even think I'm defending hyper grace which I'm not! There is no new gospel even if you want it. God, imo, can't use people who have a do nothing attitude

Salt that has lost its savor...

 

[AbigailZeke]

Hypergrace may just be a new name for an already existing doctrine

As far as I remember, they call my faith, hyper grace.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

how is this person still here??

You're just as bad, if not worse!

 

[Grace777x70]

Hyper-grace is a term that Dr. Brown came up with because he doesn't agree with some aspects of the grace of Christ. Like our sins are forgiven...and there is a lot of assumptions and "twists" in what is being said too...here is a common one..grace believers don't believe in confessing sins..it's a lie based on "twisting" the words some speak....we are forgiven children of God...and we love to come to our Father and tell him our sins and about everything in our lives.

Works-based salvationists are very antagonistic towards the grace of Christ as it exposes their self-righteousness and their own efforts to "keep" salvation that is "freely given as a gift" by the grace of Christ through faith only.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh okay, that's new to me. So I guess it comes down to whether free will is superior to the constraint of the Holy Spirit?

It comes down to a person who trusts God, vs a person who never trusted God.

Do you love your parents? Have they let you down ever? Have through practice, you found when you obey them, things turn out good. When you take matters into your own hands, they turn out bad. You trust your parents, yuo love them, You KNOW from experience they take care of you.

now, imagine God as your adoptive parent,

He rescued you from eternal damnation''He made you his son or daughter

He shows you grace love and mercy as you learn to grow and trust him, just like your parents did

He will chasten yuo when you are wrong or need corrected, just like your parents did, Only his chastening is rightious, he never makes a mistakes and punishes you for something you did not do.

So, why would you ever knowing these facts, Freely chose to live in sin again? Especially when it was living in sin, and the horrific life you had because of trying to feed your own soul, that caused you to come to Christ to begin with?

 

[Blain]

how is this person still here??

I am glad he is still here in fact I was the one who requested that he stay, I want to show that the heart of God is very much alive in these forums. I want to help him I want him to filled with the joy and love of God for his heart to become soft and kind calm as still waters.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're just as bad, if not worse!

Oh?

I call people stupid.

I call people insane

I say they need mental help?

I never answer their questions, and just continually attack them?

please. show proof that I am just as bad.

Can you back your claims? I think people have backed my claims against this person already.