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thepsalmist

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I would offer that fighting word with Word IS the way to go ...

We too often see people fighting people here ...

I could say the exact same thing in two different ways:

A) The Bible says we should all practice what we preach.

or we could say -

B) You lying, deceiving hypocrite! Satan! How can you say what you do when you don't follow this yourself! Get a life and grow up! Learn the truth - THIS is the truth!

I am just trying to promote more A and less B
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Budman said:
Tell me how I am using Scripture to fight against false doctrine, as being "spiteful" and simply "stirring the pot"?

What would you have us do?

Should we simply say; "Well, whatever you believe to be right, is right for you, and who are we to question any doctrine, because the last thing we should do is hurt someone's feelings".

Would that make you happy? Are feelings more important than the truth?
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I've directly challenged some of your petty remarks a couple times today.
It's amazing how many times I have to ask the same thing in order to get clarification on something you've said!

I don't think you're one of the ones who's displaying direct unloving behavior in the form of insults -- you're just more like the guy who stops at the side of the road when I'm struggling to change the tire and shouts,"Looks like you got a flat!" and then drives on.
 
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FreeNChrist

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PeacefulWarrior said:
"Bible Discussion Forum" on a "Christian Website" should be inviting and friendly.
Instead, it is quite the opposite. And you pride yourself in this?!
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Another twister, great.
 
Budman

Budman

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Abiding in Christ means returning to GOD for cleansing if/when we do sin.
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You contradicted yourself. You said, one must abstain from sin in order to be saved.

You don't abstain from sin. You just admitted it, once again.

And before we continue, let me say I do not enjoy watching you struggle. It is heartbreaking that you cannot see the emptiness of your doctrine.
 
Blain

Blain

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
GOD's will is that we don't sin. duh...
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I'm sorry my friend but you are beyond wrong in this one here. God's will is far deeper and for more than not sinning in fact that isn't really his hearts desire not exactly
 
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FreeNChrist

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Blain said:
Then tell me, how many hearts were changed in your engaging? and explain how I was at the sidelines
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I don't think BDF is for you, either.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

HeRoseFromTheDead

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You're just channeling the gnostic dualism that views everything as being determined by nature. The spirit man can't sin, but the old man can. Guess what? This dissociative separation only exists in the mind. Man is a whole comprised of old man and new spirit, and GOD holds the whole man accountable for what he does with the body.

The gnostics did not believe this. They believed that they were saved by their spiritual nature, just as you do; and that the conduct of the body was irrelevant to salvation, just as you do (and even said so in your post).

Budman: how we live our lives has no bearing on whether or not we keep our salvation ... We are holy, righteous, and sinless because that is what He is, and what His nature in us proclaims

Gnostics (per Irenaeus): [the gnostics] hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved, not by means of conduct, but because they are spiritual by nature... it is impossible that spiritual substance (by which they mean themselves) should ever come under the power of corruption [of sin], whatever the sort of actions in which they indulged.​
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This demonstrates how CC operates. I clearly showed a perfect correlation between Budman's OSAS (or possibly "grace" believer) beliefs and the gnostic's beliefs, and the only responses are denial and silence.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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thepsalmist said:
I would offer that fighting word with Word IS the way to go ...

We too often see people fighting people here ...

I could say the exact same thing in two different ways:

A) The Bible says we should all practice what we preach.

or we could say -

B) You lying, deceiving hypocrite! Satan! How can you say what you do when you don't follow this yourself! Get a life and grow up! Learn the truth - THIS is the truth!

I am just trying to promote more A and less B
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Yes! More of A and less of B! Amen!
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Budman said:
Like the one you just made?
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Yes. I'm learning from you all.
That's what people do--they learn from each other.
Your generation is teaching my generation how to love one another.
 
Blain

Blain

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Well I have to go and do some stuff so I will have to take my leave for a bit, but I just want everyone to ask themselves and ponder these questions- what does it mean to be a Christian, what is Love and if my words and actions and my hearts deepest thoughts are a blade what Blade do I wield and what does it do?
 
Budman

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
This demonstrates how CC operates. I clearly showed a perfect correlation between Budman's OSAS (or possibly "grace" believer) beliefs and the gnostic's beliefs, and all it's met with is denial and silence.
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I answered your post. Now answer mine.

You said to be saved, one must abstain from sin. You said it is God's will that we do not sin.

Yet, you still sin. So, you are not abstaining, nor are you doing God's will, thus, by your own doctrine, you are not saved.
 
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FreeNChrist

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Our salvation is dependent upon our abiding in Christ where there is perfect safety.
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No. Our salvation is dependent upon a Savior who makes us safe. Bearing His good fruit is dependent upon abiding in Him.
 
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