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Oooh. Concerned about you friend. Our Salvation is dependent on Christ ALONE. NOT us trying to stay in His Hands. This verse makes that abundantly clear.
[h=1]John 10:28-30New International Version (NIV)[/h]28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
YOU are a man. So EVEN you can't snatch yourself out of His Hand. He promises not to lose any that are in His Hands.
Please pray on this. Peace, Grace and Love to you
[h=1]John 10:28-30New International Version (NIV)[/h]28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
YOU are a man. So EVEN you can't snatch yourself out of His Hand. He promises not to lose any that are in His Hands.
Please pray on this. Peace, Grace and Love to you
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MATT 12
"31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come,"
"31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come,"
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yep he was not condemning anybody. 
I'm still not sure who Nikki was attempting to "call-out"...but he's definitely had ample time to clarify and answer questions posed by others. He's displayed his unwillingness to attempt to understand or discuss on reasonable terms.
Most troubling post:
For, Nikki84, at this point had still not sufficiently answered.
Maybe Nikki thought he/she answered previously:
Nikki seems to think that someone is attempting to 'take-away' from the Gospel of Christ.
Nikki clarified later:
Nikki's problem is that he/she has not defined this "grace only crowd"--it looks an awful lot like he/she's accusing folks in this thread or here at CC.
So I understand your frustration with Nikki and am beginning to understand your frustration with HeRose.
I love that scriture.. Its a great exhortation and reminder of the tares. of course the problem you have is that if you can walk away after being born again, then God has no real plan neither of the future or for you in it. as he can never be certain that you will you will want to be part of his plan or not. Eph 1:11.
Only those truly born of the Spirit can enter the Kingdom:
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born qof water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.6 rThat which is born of the flesh is sflesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.3 7 tDo not marvel that I said to you, ‘You4 must be bornuagain.’ 8 vThe wind5 blows wwhere it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Only those truly born of the Spirit can enter the Kingdom:
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born qof water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.6 rThat which is born of the flesh is sflesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.3 7 tDo not marvel that I said to you, ‘You4 must be bornuagain.’ 8 vThe wind5 blows wwhere it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
don't fret
they would have argued with or without you - in any thread that's anyhow related to this topic - i'd rather you were here than not!
people are passionate about this topic, because they are passionate about the gospel. but we're all children here - and passionate children shout. later, i hope, we reflect on it, and learn, and next time, maybe we don't shout as much?
not your fault, bro. the enemy wants to tear us all apart from each other - but look what the Spirit put in your heart instead!
meekness and repentance and gaining wisdom is winning
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This seems to be the tipping point -- the point in which the conversation took a turn which took over 24 hours to recover:
This is the sort of comment that is appalling to me. It's not helpful to most people. It's more likely that the comment will cause trouble and division rather than agreement and unity. It is possible to instruct without being cryptic, sarcastic, and condescending.
This is the sort of comment that is appalling to me. It's not helpful to most people. It's more likely that the comment will cause trouble and division rather than agreement and unity. It is possible to instruct without being cryptic, sarcastic, and condescending.
Matthew 7:21 is not refering to those who are Born Again.
John 6:39New International Version (NIV)
39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
How can Jesus be speaking truth here if what you say is true... if you are right then Jesus could lose almost all the Father has given him.
John 6:39New International Version (NIV)
39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
How can Jesus be speaking truth here if what you say is true... if you are right then Jesus could lose almost all the Father has given him.
The "old man" died on the cross with Jesus..this is why people don't understand the difference between spirit which is the inner man of the heart......there is still the flesh left which has the power of sin in it. These are the scriptures...
If we don't "know" that the old man is dead...we will never understand the new creation in Christ..created in righteousness and holiness....then the natural mind cannot understand this spiritual principal....This is the problem with some.
Romans 6:5-8 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
[SUP]6[/SUP] knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] for he who has died is freed from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
am crucified with Christ = perfect passive = a done deal ...an action done in the past with a result being continuously in the present
Now...for the flesh...read Romans 7:14-22.....
Romans 7:17-23 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
Now we walk according to the Spirit so we will not fulfill the flesh's desire.
Romans 6:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
If we don't "know" that the old man is dead...we will never understand the new creation in Christ..created in righteousness and holiness....then the natural mind cannot understand this spiritual principal....This is the problem with some.
Romans 6:5-8 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
[SUP]6[/SUP] knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] for he who has died is freed from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
am crucified with Christ = perfect passive = a done deal ...an action done in the past with a result being continuously in the present
Now...for the flesh...read Romans 7:14-22.....
Romans 7:17-23 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
Now we walk according to the Spirit so we will not fulfill the flesh's desire.
Romans 6:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
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The word "fall away"..means to be "offended"....the people are offended because of the trouble that came with the word as satan comes immediately to try to steal it....this is the ways of the word of the kingdom and how it operates......it does not mean they are going to hell...that is not in that scripture...it's something that teachers made up to "legitimize" their belief that one can lose salvation
here is the greek word...[FONT="Gentium" !important][I]skandalon[/I][/FONT][/SIZE] ([URL="http://www.crossbooks.com/book.asp?pub=0&book=68&sec=00071047#offense"]OFFENSE[/URL], No. 1), signifies "to put a snare or stumblingblock in the way,"
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
here is the greek word...[FONT="Gentium" !important][I]skandalon[/I][/FONT][/SIZE] ([URL="http://www.crossbooks.com/book.asp?pub=0&book=68&sec=00071047#offense"]OFFENSE[/URL], No. 1), signifies "to put a snare or stumblingblock in the way,"
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
