Obedience & righteousness - extreme grace version

Grace777x70 · Mar 17, 2016

The real reason behind the attacks on the gospel of the grace of Christ is seen in this teaching done in 2010 - years before the term hyper-grace was used to malign grace believers. This teaching below is a real eye-opener in what is going on behind the scenes and the false accusations being leveled against grace believers.

[video=youtube;VuVHG01W8YI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuVHG01W8YI[/video]

ember · Mar 17, 2016

Nikki84 said:

ok...well then? not following why you seem to be contrary, that is accusing as are a couple of other posters, of some of us saying we say we can sin like a boatload of sailors at sea for 2 years after they come on land

we have never said that...it's a pack of lies posted by the same accusers over and over

I'm at the point thinking they must either be senile or enjoy lying

PennEd · Mar 17, 2016

Budman said:

i feel you brother. there are 3 or 4 that I've given up reasoning and pleading Grace alone to. What usually happens is an exchange that is not loving. I pray that the Lord will change their hearts, but honestly, ignore might be the best option with dealing with the Grace PLUS works crowd that refuse to call it that but that is exactly what they believe. Imagine the love, peace, and harmony on this board if we all decided not to engage them. They don't WANT to see the Truth.

Peace, love and Grace to you in Our Lord Jesus Christ's name.

skylove7 · Mar 17, 2016

Hi PennEd!!!!!

Thread derail...pardon me

Grace777x70 · Mar 17, 2016

PennEd said:

Amen..Unfortunately I have had to do the very same thing. I gave them a choice to either stop the malice and slander or I put them on ignore. They chose the ignore.....so all is well.

You are right as no matter how many times we say " this is what we believe.."..they say the complete opposite of what is really being said. There is a massive deception going on or they are just dis-honest in what people are saying. That's not for me to decide..thank God.

It is ok to disagree on some areas too as we all have ones that we disagree with and in those times we agree to disagree and there is no animosity or out-right attacks on each other. This group we had to put on ignore are a different breed of attackers to those that teach the grace of Christ.

I just blessed them and their families and pray for them but still give out the scriptures to show the beauty and love of our good Father and the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ on our behalf without having to interact with them.

PennEd · Mar 17, 2016

skylove7 said:

You are always a breath of fresh air that EVERY thread needs!

skylove7 · Mar 17, 2016

Lol
I just run to you brother and vent about the boogeyman sometimes
You give me beautiful prayers
Thank you Ed!
God bless you!

nu2see · Mar 17, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

PennEd said:

I still say 'ignore' is not the thing to do,
except for danger, or as an extreme last resort.

Ppl claiming to be sons and daughters in Christ
should not be putting each other 'on ignore'.

Stop fighting for a while maybe,
overlook the others posts for a while maybe,
but ignore just isn't christian, and pls don't throw up
the wiping the dust verse, it's overused and out of context.

Jesus said reason together.
Jesus prayed for our unity.

I know what it feels like to be ignored,
over and over, pleading for communication,
expecting to find forgiveness and reconciliation
in Christ, as He told us, and the pain of being shut out,
ex-communicated, ignored hurts deeply,
no matter how much one may act like it doesn't.

And if you think about it, it just might hurt Jesus,
He prayed for our unity before going to
the cross to purchase it.

This use of ignorance is rooted in pride,
an air of superiority.
I'm not trying to condemn anyone,
I'm appealing to everyone.

Everyone on this site that tosses around the ignore,
try reconciling for a change,
try to think of the other as better,
even if you're still in disagreement,
try a little christian love.

If someone else insists on the ignore,
you don't have to as well.

Show your Christ-likeness,
and remain with an open hand ready.

You never know when a person may
be enlightened by the Word or Spirit,
and turn to reconcile.
If you have them on ignore, it may
be you who misses out on a blessing
Jesus may have for you!
Please, brothers, sisters, friends, please.

Txroads · Mar 17, 2016

Hmmm......

PilgrimPassingThru · Mar 17, 2016

If folks just stuck with the scriptures and left off the snide comments and typical snark things might go better, but we arent to fellowship with believers who are railers and its better to disfellowship with them through ignore on a board like this where such things are let go.

There is no other option really

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2016

PeacefulWarrior said:

It is interesting you should say this, Quite awhile ago. this was the same exact message I was trying to give to Peter and HeRose, and a few others who are no longer here.

That is exactly what is going on. Peter kept calling us calvanists. HeRose calls us Gnostic. They try to stick us in groups based on key words. um, Yeah what you just said,, That is exactly what is going on.. It happens a lot in here, these two are not the first to do this.

Well it is why Peter will lie about myself and others, He thinks he knows what we believe, Because of what you just said.

It is not a language issue, it is a pride issue..

Thanks for your concern, That is always good. You missed the beginning of our discussions though. I do not think you were here yet. But I think you are starting to see.

Many people do this, they come in here and disrupt good conversation, Unless someone (hopefully many)confront them, and call them out, it just continues, until there is no end..

I understand him completely. I was a practicing Baptist for 35 years. I used to speak his language, Maybe that's why I can understand him, even with his bad English.

However, He will have to go through what I had to go through sadly, before he will understand those of us who found true grace.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

No one uses OSAS to excuse sin. You and your brothers have not shown one example of one person in the history of mankind to prove anyone uses that to excuse sin.

People who are licentious do not use OSAS to excuse sin, They do not think they sin, They think they can live any way they want, Because God loves them, and he would never judge them.

either way, Even if people did (or do, I will not say no one ever has not) it would not matter, You do not fight one lie (licentiousness) with the opposite lie (legalism)

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2016

Budman said:

You are putting me on ignore because I've chased you around with your quote that exposes you as a hypocrite, and you have no satisfactory answer for it. You keep trying to add and modify what you clearly said, but your thousands of other posts on this forum say the same thing. You teach if one sins, they forfeit their salvation. You preach that God gives you the power to not sin.

But, of course, you still sin.

You love to point your finger at everyone else, from your lofty, self-righteous throne, and condemn them for doing the exact same thing you are doing; sinning.

So go right ahead and put me on ignore. I consider it a badge of honor. But know this; everyone here has now witnessed your blatant, naked hypocrisy - and you can't squirm your way out of it.

Hey it can be peacefull in the ignore bin, I am glad I have a brother join me now..

He will get his. he judges himself with his own words.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 17, 2016

skylove7 said:

probably the most edifying thing said in this whole thread!!

Grace777x70 · Mar 17, 2016

nu2see said:

While I do agree with being open to receive them back when we see the fruits of repentance. But until that happens..it is very scriptural to distance yourself from them that act unbecoming.

Even Paul refused to have John Mark come on their journey with Barnabas but later said that John Mark was useful to him...so there is always hope for restoration but not at the compromise of truth.

Ignore is good for all those involved as you can't see what they are posting. The Lord can lead us to when it's time to re-connect. I leave it in His hands. I trust the Holy Spirit to lead us.

Galatians 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.

Titus 3:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,

Matthew 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.

Acts 13:51 (NASB)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] But they shook off the dust of their feet in protest against them and went to Iconium.

ember · Mar 17, 2016

the NT was not written as a peace treaty

much of it was written to combat false doctrine

If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Romans 12:18

it's not always possible..and there comes a time when that must be acknowledged for the peace of all and the greater good of the body of Christ

if we can't throw 'em out...because they continue with their lies about how we believe...then ignore is an excellent choice

nu2see · Mar 17, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

PPT, I get it, I really do, but I know you, for one,
are better than this...
and you yourself gave another option...

dis-fellowship (good word, lol) for a while,
ok, but that can be done with no ignore button.

It's something I expect from little sixth grade girls,
maybe,
as they gossip and giggle about who
they 'have on ignore, tee-hee',
and again, there are some here that are
going to have that mindset,

but the way it gets tossed around so easily,
and used as a threat to a brother/sister in Christ,
is just so sophomoric.

We could/should pray for each other more,
and build each other up in the faith, as we see
the day aproaching, and the world gets more
wicked, and petty in the way they deal with each other.

Maybe we can try a little more love, that's all.

Father in heaven, thank you, Lord for salvation
in Jesus, and your gift of eternal life.

You said in your house are many mansions,
and we thank you, Lord, because the way we
get along sometimes, we're each gonna need
our own!
But, Lord, while we're here, we're sometimes
feeling in close quarters...
help us, Lord, be more
forgiving and understanding of each other, please.

Your word says they shall know us by the love
we have for one another, not for how we bite each
others heads off and stab each other in the back.

But we do need more of your grace, Lord.

Many of us are passionate about communicating
your truths, and we want to honor you.

Forgive us in our shortcomings, and help us
rise up and be the sons and daughters you
call us to be.

Forgive ME, Lord, I fail miserably every day,
please help me grow to be more like you, Jesus,
and thank you, Lord, for your patience and kindness,
and willingness to lead this often straying sheep.

Also, Lord, please bless my friend and sister PPT
in her musical endeavors. Thank you for her desire
to lift you up in song, and help encourage others
in the faith as she does so.
Bless and increase
her ministry,
and fill her with the joy of your love,
always, in Jesus' wonderful name. Amen.

ember · Mar 17, 2016

I don't find an emotional issue in this thread

what is here, is anti gospel

it's dangerous stuff...it's really not about singing songs around a campfire

Grace777x70 · Mar 17, 2016

ember said:

I agree that it is very serious! Just read Galatians and see how Paul reacted to the Judaizers that were coming in to pervert the gospel of the grace of Christ. ( he even uses some very strong language to those that wanted to circumcise others..he said he wished they would cut it right off Gal 5:12....ouch! )

Paul was very adamant that the pure gospel of the grace of Christ not be compromised the least bit. He was accused many times of being antinomian and licentious - people saying that he said it was ok to sin because of grace...it's all through Romans. He said he was slanderously reported.

Galatians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?

[SUP]2 [/SUP] This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Galatians 5:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Txroads · Mar 17, 2016

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