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The scientific and research community use wikipedia.

hmmm...because they don't use their Bibles?

are you trying to be funny or is it an accident?

Joyce Meyer understands the Bible...and walks it out...better then most men I know

I use wiki too...but not to prove what I don't understand or even have any idea of what I'm talking about

hope you can follow that :rolleyes:
 
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Chuckt

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so in the entire nation, the only one God could find to do what is right was a woman?

oh my

just a bit ironic

chuck...take it to your own church...it's not going to fly here
If you did a sample of actual churches that allow it in their bylaws, the numbers traditionally have been low so it isn't just my church as you would have it appear.

Jude 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Tell me now, in light of Jude 1:3, when in the last 1900 years excluding this messed up century was women pastors or elders the faith that was once delivered? It wasn't.
 
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Chuckt

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hmmm...because they don't use their Bibles?

are you trying to be funny or is it an accident?

Joyce Meyer understands the Bible...and walks it out...better then most men I know

I use wiki too...but not to prove what I don't understand or even have any idea of what I'm talking about

hope you can follow that :rolleyes:
I'd probably get sued if I said what I thought about this topic.
 
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If you did a sample of actual churches that allow it in their bylaws, the numbers traditionally have been low so it isn't just my church as you would have it appear.

Jude 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Tell me now, in light of Jude 1:3, when in the last 1900 years excluding this messed up century was women pastors or elders the faith that was once delivered? It wasn't.

when we all get to heaven...

did you say something?
 

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I don't know anything about Joyce Meyer, but as far as being a Pastor, I think the bible is pretty clear on what is appropriate in the church.. so I don't really find it debatable. I personally would not attend a church with a female in that position and I'm not going to argue against what God intended. To each their own though. :p
 
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I'd probably get sued if I said what I thought about this topic.

not by me

the Bible says we should not sue other believers

you are a believer, right?
 
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coby

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Once in my life God gave me a preaching for sunday morning.
I wrote it down and gave it to my ex and he preached it lol.
 
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jasonj

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That's awesome!

Eve was made from adam, Christ is born of marys flesh. equality. in Christ there is neither male or female, But he is all. in all and through all, and by Him all things hold together. women are Christ, men are Christ, neither are male or female in Him. we are one who believe.
 
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I don't know anything about Joyce Meyer, but as far as being a Pastor, I think the bible is pretty clear on what is appropriate in the church.. so I don't really find it debatable. I personally would not attend a church with a female in that position and I'm not going to argue against what God intended. To each their own though. :p
Wisdom is a Spirit of God Almighty (Isaiah 11:2), and is female (Proverbs 1:20). You don't want to attend a church that bans Her from their pulpit (the high place) because, obviously, Wisdom won't be found there. You ban female from the pulpit, you ban God.

Not opinion. Just truth.

You can't have a functioning world without both genders anymore than you can have a functioning leadership. Just ask the catholic church. They silence their women, and because of that the children are vulnerable.
 
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If you did a sample of actual churches that allow it in their bylaws, the numbers traditionally have been low so it isn't just my church as you would have it appear.

Jude 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Tell me now, in light of Jude 1:3, when in the last 1900 years excluding this messed up century was women pastors or elders the faith that was once delivered? It wasn't.
Well since I'm a woman copy paster:



Although most churches no longer officially recognize “Apostles,” “Prophets” and “Evangelists,” they are still given to the Church today in its “gifted” theologians, apologists, evangelists, missionaries and church planters, Bible teachers, etc. (Schaff, Vol. I, p. 489).

Among the offices of the Early Church was that of “widow” or “woman elder.” Several things need to be spelled out about this office.


First, this office or position is described in I Timothy 5:9–13 in terms of the congregation electing qualified widows to a position of honor and ministry. These special widows were “put on the roll” or elected to a position and were later ordained to it by the laying on of hands (Alford,*The Greek Testament, III, p. 347).


The requirements for joining this order of special widows were of a spiritual nature and paralleled those for male elders (1 Tim. 3:1–7). That Paul is not speaking of widows in general but a special group within such a class can hardly be doubted because the church never demanded such spiritual qualifications from the merely poor and destitute before giving them aid.


Ellicott comments:


“The instructions in this passage are so definite, so precise, that it is impossible not to assume in the days of Timothy and of Paul, in some, if not in all the great churches, the existence of an official band of workers, consisting of widows, most carefully selected from the congregation …(they) were a distinct order.”*Ellicott’s Commentary, Vol. VII
 
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Joidevicre...

you go, girl! I totally am with you on that one, an I am an ordained minister! I have had the privilege to listen to female singers, speakers, missionairies and ministers and enjoyed it. There was only one incident in my lifetime that I felt a little uneasy about. I was a guest pianist in a little methodist country church. The pastor was an older female and her husband was in the congregation during the sermon. During the middle of the sermon, this pastor suddenly stopped preaching and yelled out to the audience "And if my husband sitting on the back pew would shut his mouth and pay attention, I would not be so distracted!!". Some thought this is 'cute" or 'funny"....but as a guest, I felt awkward and kinda embarrassed for the husband.
 
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What, really, is the big debate here, anyhow?
 
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Gr8grace

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Oh I love when people use this to teach men not to listen to women when God told Abraham to listen to his wife.

Genesis 21:12 But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your slave woman. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.



That is a problem with men, not a problem with women, if that were even true. It is definitely not Scripture, but your opinion.

Proverbs 18:2
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.


The Bible says we will be shepherded by one of two women. The Woman Wisdom (Proverbs 1:20) or the Woman Folly (Proverbs 9:13). Everybody will follow one.





Yeah it is a tough subject. And emotional.......nothing uproots truth like emotions.

my wife has taught me many things and has been right on matters often when I am wrong.

But when it comes to doctrine and getting TAUGHT doctrine, day in and day out, learning precept upon precept........that comes from MALE GIFTED teachers. It is a GIFT that pertains to men only.

Should of Abraham listened to the voice of his wife to go into Hagar in the first place? Or did Abraham know better?
 
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AuntieAnt

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1 Timothy 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

If the wife leads or she doesn't listen then the Husband can't lead.

lit., "to stand before," hence "to lead, to direct, attend to," is translated "rule," with reference to the family, in 1Ti 3:4, 5, 12; with reference to the church, in Rom 12:8; 1Th 5:12, "are over;" 1Ti 5:17, In Tts 3:8, 14, it signifies "to maintain."-W.E. Vine


1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

The woman was created for the man. Man wasn’t created for the woman.


Not qualified by the word of God.

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

A woman can't be the husband of one wife.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Question: What does God do to those who don't obey?

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Answer:

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

I believe they are wrong because God honors His word above His name.

King James Bible
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Psalm 138:2 I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your unfailing love and your faithfulness, for you have so exalted your solemn decree that it surpasses your fame.

God said and that finishes it
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When I see someone putting their personal interpretation of words in the Bible above the redemptive reality of Christ Jesus (the Living Word) within the heart of man, I will point out that they are in error.

I'm just a woman in the flesh, according to your judgment. But I walk in the spirit of Jesus Christ so in reality, according to the Lord I'm a son of God. Who do you think I believe? :D
 
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Yeah it is a tough subject. And emotional.......nothing uproots truth like emotions.

my wife has taught me many things and has been right on matters often when I am wrong.

But when it comes to doctrine and getting TAUGHT doctrine, day in and day out, learning precept upon precept........that comes from MALE GIFTED teachers. It is a GIFT that pertains to men only.

Should of Abraham listened to the voice of his wife to go into Hagar in the first place? Or did Abraham know better?


wow

women cannot study the Bible on their own

that's what you just posted

I must admit...I have not heard that one before

so basically you do not believe that God allows women the capacity to understand what He is saying to those He loves and has saved, unless a male voice is uttering doctrine two octaves lower

do you know how stupid that sounds?
 
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What, really, is the big debate here, anyhow?
Folks conditioned by false teaching put all their faith in following the letter of the law. They eyes haven't opened yet to the reality of walking in the spirit of Jesus Christ. They fear if they don't follow every jot & tittle that they will face the wrath of God, of which they don't realize they've already been delivered by the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

In other words, they are babes. So as long as people hang onto their childish superstitions and false pride and don't lay down their natural logic to the mind of Christ within them, there will be debates like this.
 
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Yeah it is a tough subject. And emotional.......nothing uproots truth like emotions.

my wife has taught me many things and has been right on matters often when I am wrong.

But when it comes to doctrine and getting TAUGHT doctrine, day in and day out, learning precept upon precept........that comes from MALE GIFTED teachers. It is a GIFT that pertains to men only.

Should of Abraham listened to the voice of his wife to go into Hagar in the first place? Or did Abraham know better?
You don't get more gifted than the Spirit of Wisdom, who is a spirit of God (Isaiah 11:2) and is female (Proverbs 1:20).

Proverbs 1:22 22“How long will you who are simple love your simple ways?How long will mockers delight in mockeryand fools hate knowledge?23Repent at my rebuke!Then I will pour out my thoughts to you,I will make known to you my teachings.



2 Kings 22:13 "Go and inquire of the LORD for me and for the people and for all Judah about what is written in this book that has been found. Great is the LORD's anger that burns against us because those who have gone before us have not obeyed the words of this book; they have not acted in accordance with all that is written there concerning us."
14 Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Akbor, Shaphan and Asaiah went to speak to the prophet Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the New Quarter.


Are you saying that prophets aren't called to lead God's people? Even on a daily basis? Like Deborah did?

Judges 4:4 Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time.




 
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coby

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Yeah it is a tough subject. And emotional.......nothing uproots truth like emotions.

my wife has taught me many things and has been right on matters often when I am wrong.

But when it comes to doctrine and getting TAUGHT doctrine, day in and day out, learning precept upon precept........that comes from MALE GIFTED teachers. It is a GIFT that pertains to men only.

Should of Abraham listened to the voice of his wife to go into Hagar in the first place? Or did Abraham know better?
That's true, the apostles. Now we only have to teach the Bible and watch out for man made doctrin.
What if a man taught a woman and she shares what he taught her?
 
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Gr8grace

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wow

women cannot study the Bible on their own

that's what you just posted

I must admit...I have not heard that one before

so basically you do not believe that God allows women the capacity to understand what He is saying to those He loves and has saved, unless a male voice is uttering doctrine two octaves lower

do you know how stupid that sounds?
Like I said it is emotional and most react rather than respond.

That is not even close to what I am saying or said.

I, being a saved man/male cannot just read the bible and understand it. I do not have the gift to read it and interpret what it is saying..............I need a teacher with the GIFT to teach me.

If All of us can just read the bible and understand it................what is the point of having GIFTED men that teach? Gods word has always come through the agency of a gifted man to teach us. We don't just miraculously know Gods word.
 
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Yeah it is a tough subject. And emotional.......nothing uproots truth like emotions.

my wife has taught me many things and has been right on matters often when I am wrong.

But when it comes to doctrine and getting TAUGHT doctrine, day in and day out, learning precept upon precept........that comes from MALE GIFTED teachers. It is a GIFT that pertains to men only.

Should of Abraham listened to the voice of his wife to go into Hagar in the first place? Or did Abraham know better?
And you're of course referring to the worldly realm, correct? Things that are seen? Acknowledging folks according to the flesh, right?

II Corinthians 5:16 - Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Him no more.

arrow.jpg Yes, you read that correctly if you read that we're not supposed to recognize Jesus according to the flesh anymore, but by Spirit only. We walk by faith, not by sight anymore.

We who are spiritual are not of this world anymore, those of us who are called according to His purpose.

Romans 8:14 reads: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

I'm led by God's Spirit. Are you saying I'm not a son of God?

Of course, I am. God says so. :eek: