Paster Women?

[KJV1611]

Have you ever bother to read those passages in their full context? Have you ever bothered to study and read them in the Greek and understand what is really being said?

Here's the context. Now show me where the Greek says something different.

1 Timothy 2:8-15 KJV
I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
[9] In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
[10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
[11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

[Mitspa]

Here's the context. Now show me where the Greek says something different.

1 Timothy 2:8-15 KJV
I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
[9] In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
[10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
[11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Do you have any understanding of what the woman is being "saved" from? Not "saved" from hell..saved (delivered) from Eve's transgression ... if she is not under the transgression then she through faith and charity is as able as the man to serve ..we know that Paul approved women as ministers ... Even named them as being responsible for Churches in their homes .. But a womans first responsibility is to the children ..to raise them ..that's what that word "childbearing" means ..not giving birth ..but raising the children with the other requirements

 

[AmberJeanetteGardner]

Here's the context. Now show me where the Greek says something different.

1 Timothy 2:8-15 KJV
I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
[9] In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
[10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
[11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Ah, good ole 1 Timothy 2:11!!! As it states in the footnotes of the NIV (which you can't find online so I have conveniently uploaded a photo of it on my facebook), it is accurately translated:

1 Timothy 2:11 A WIFE should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a WIFE to teach or to assume authority over her HUSBAND; she must be quiet.

It is not teaching every man to silence every woman. They don't have God's authority to do that! A woman submits only to her husband, not to any other man. It is about a husband and wife relationship for which no other man may enter.

Picture here and here ...

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[Mitspa]

In the Greek this passage is much clearer ..but many people are just too lazy to study and take the scriptures in their whole context .. Does Paul put some restrictions on women as teachers..yes God wants the woman to first be a mother ..but she is delivered from eve's transgression if she raises her children and proves he ability through faith and love

 

[Mitspa]

Let me also say this ..these scriptures are translated in the most traditional and harsh terms toward women ..from the KJV and even the newer translations don't dare to translate these passages as they could be in favor of the women

 

[BeyondET]

watch out four the gentlemans only ladies forbidden,, not good or good?

 

[jasonj]

I mean, what was Paul the Apostle thinking telling people it's good to stay single!!?

1 Corinthians 7:8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

Jesus said the same thing, to the one who can accept it he said it is better because then our whole heart can be dedicated to God. male or female, the spirit of Christ is what gives authority to preach or teach or whatever their calling is. "Me" doesn't exist in Christ. there is no recognition by God of male or female. paul said "I" do not permit, He rarely speaks from His opinion, this is one, another time he says " I say this, not the Lord." Jesus said though, it is better if you can accept it to remain single

 

[KJV1611]

Do you have any understanding of what the woman is being "saved" from? Not "saved" from hell..saved (delivered) from Eve's transgression ... if she is not under the transgression then she through faith and charity is as able as the man to serve ..we know that Paul approved women as ministers ... Even named them as being responsible for Churches in their homes .. But a womans first responsibility is to the children ..to raise them ..that's what that word "childbearing" means ..not giving birth ..but raising the children with the other requirements

That's the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard. Did you even notice that the verses are not about women in general. Read it... "The woman (Eve) being decieved... SHE (Eve) shall be saved in childbearing. The MAN Christ Jesus was in her loins. Come on man read the verses before you make asinine comments.

1 Timothy 2:14-15 KJV
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

[KJV1611]

Ah, good ole 1 Timothy 2:11!!! As it states in the footnotes of the NIV (which you can't find online so I have conveniently uploaded a photo of it on my facebook), it is accurately translated:

1 Timothy 2:11 A WIFE should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a WIFE to teach or to assume authority over her HUSBAND; she must be quiet.

It is not teaching every man to silence every woman. They don't have God's authority to do that! A woman submits only to her husband, not to any other man. It is about a husband and wife relationship for which no other man may enter.

Picture here and here ...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...1332747373047.46138.1661930167&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202160370485035&set=a.1332747373047.46138.1661930167&type=3&theater

You need to throw that NIV in the trash can. You see the definition below, why do you chose wife when the word can mean wife OR woman. Who are you to say shich word GOD intended? NOBODY but God knows what He intended there and that's why God is the only one capable of translating His word.

How do you ever expect to understand the word of God when you reject what you don't like and change it to what you do like? That's just follishness.

γυνήgynḗ, goo-nay'; probably from the base of G1096; a woman; specially, a wife:—wife, woman

 

[Mitspa]

That's the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard. Did you even notice that the verses are not about women in general. Read it... "The woman (Eve) being decieved... SHE (Eve) shall be saved in childbearing. The MAN Christ Jesus was in her loins. Come on man read the verses before you make asinine comments.

1 Timothy 2:14-15 KJV
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

"in the trangression"... "saved ":from the transgression" That's the ONLY way that passage could be read ... unless you think women are "saved" from hell when they give birth ?

 

[KJV1611]

In the Greek this passage is much clearer ..but many people are just too lazy to study and take the scriptures in their whole context .. Does Paul put some restrictions on women as teachers..yes God wants the woman to first be a mother ..but she is delivered from eve's transgression if she raises her children and proves he ability through faith and love

Did the clarity of the Greek cause you to believe that woman are saved from Eve's transgression because they're a good mother. Think about it, you're teaching that womens' transgressions are forgiven because they have children. You need to re-think that.

 

[Mitspa]

Did the clarity of the Greek cause you to believe that woman are saved from Eve's transgression because they're a good mother. Think about it, you're teaching that womens' transgressions are forgiven because they have children. You need to re-think that.

I did not say that...are you too dishonest to have a biblical discussion? I said that God first requirement for the woman is to raise the children ...and ''Saved'' is not saved from sin but saved from the condition of Eve's transgression ..thus being delivered from that condition

 

[KJV1611]

"in the trangression"... "saved ":from the transgression" That's the ONLY way that passage could be read ... unless you think women are "saved" from hell when they give birth ?

Did you read anything I posted? Apparently not. Women are not saved in childbirth! Eve was saved in childbirth because Jesus came out of her. Can you grasp that? Eve was saved because she gave birth and her children gave, and their children gave birth until eventually Jesus was born who saved her and the whole world that wants to be saved.

 

[KJV1611]

I did not say that...are you too dishonest to have a biblical discussion? I said that God first requirement for the woman is to raise the children ...and ''Saved'' is not saved from sin but saved from the condition of Eve's transgression ..thus being delivered from that condition

Show me that in the bible. Where does the bible say women are saved from the condition of Eve's transgression?

 

[Mitspa]

Show me that in the bible. Where does the bible say women are saved from the condition of Eve's transgression?

Read it ..its the ONLY possible reading of that passage ..the only issue being put forth as needing "deliverance" is the transgression of Eve upon women ..it cannot mean "saved" from sin, it has to mean being saved (delivered) from the transgression of Eve.

 

[Mitspa]

Did you read anything I posted? Apparently not. Women are not saved in childbirth! Eve was saved in childbirth because Jesus came out of her. Can you grasp that? Eve was saved because she gave birth and her children gave, and their children gave birth until eventually Jesus was born who saved her and the whole world that wants to be saved.

What? eve did not give birth to Christ ..Mary did and she did not get "saved" from sin. Until she believed like the rest of us. Its not giving birth, its the Greek word for raising children .. and the deliverance from Eves transgression is based on her obedience in faith and love

 

[KJV1611]

Read it ..its the ONLY possible reading of that passage ..the only issue being put forth as needing "deliverance" is the transgression of Eve upon women ..it cannot mean "saved" from sin, it has to mean being saved (delivered) from the transgression of Eve.

Mitspa who is the woman in verse 14? Is it Eve or is it women in general?

1 Timothy 2:13-14 KJV
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[BeyondET]

Jesus said the same thing, to the one who can accept it he said it is better because then our whole heart can be dedicated to God. male or female, the spirit of Christ is what gives authority to preach or teach or whatever their calling is. "Me" doesn't exist in Christ. there is no recognition by God of male or female. paul said "I" do not permit, He rarely speaks from His opinion, this is one, another time he says " I say this, not the Lord." Jesus said though, it is better if you can accept it to remain single

Yes sr re that old saying can't live with them and ya can't live without them lol...

 

[KJV1611]

What? eve did not give birth to Christ ..Mary did and she did not get "saved" from sin. Until she believed like the rest of us. Its not giving birth, its the Greek word for raising children .. and the deliverance from Eves transgression is based on her obedience in faith and love

Christ was in Eve's loins just like Levi was in Abraham's loins when Levi paid tithes in Abraham. Levi paid tithes before he had ever been born. He was in the loins of Abraham... Christ was in the loins of Adam and Eve.

 

[Mitspa]

Christ was in Eve's loins just like Levi was in Abraham's loins when Levi paid tithes in Abraham. Levi paid tithes before he had ever been born. He was in the loins of Abraham... Christ was in the loins of Adam and Eve.

Man you are just missing the whole issue and what you are saying makes NO SENSE in context of this passage ..the issue is Eve's transgression that limits women... the deliverance from that condition is what Paul is discussing ... Its Eve's transgression that Paul blames for womens limited role ..and He describes how she is saved from that transgression and limited role