Paster Women?

[Grace777x70]

Dr Caroline Leaf has written a couple books about it. She seems very well qualified and I think an approach that is more helpful than just sedating people.

It gives people control based on Biblical principles without altering function of the brain.

I read them.......they are good.....

 

[JosephsDreams]

Thank you for your kindness in explaining yourself, brother Phil. To be fair to you, I will explain the situation we women are put in.

When I lived for the world, I did dress provocatively to fit in. I was very shy and vulnerable, in fact afraid of men because of my abusive past. But it's drilled into your head from a little girl on up to adulthood to look a certain way. Your body parts, your hair, your height, your weight, your walk, your voice, the look on your face, your clothing, are constantly compared to other females. Most of the comments women hear from men our entire lives are regarding our outward appearance.

After I was saved, I heard the religious jargon about the body being a temple, dress to make Jesus “look appealing” to the world, brainwashed into believing I should dress up on Sundays out of respect for God, and I struggled to find a happy medium between keeping my husband’s eyes happy and not being a temptation to other men in the church. I tried to compare with the look of the pastor’s sweet and innocent "Proverbs 31 wife".

No matter what I did, I evidently missed the mark. Because it never stopped some men (and some women) criticizing me for something I failed to do. And it also didn’t guarantee I wouldn’t be made a pass at or groped by a guy in the church. My daughter was grabbed by a guy in the church and she was in puberty at the time.

Even on this site are provocative comments and pictures of what kind of females are attractive. And us women join in, too and treat one another like we’re cattle in a 4H contest. So you're right about vanity, Phil. It's next to impossible to break out of the mindset that we women are just physical objects to be desired.

Women are made to feel they must bring pleasure in some way or they are misfits or of little worth. If she isn’t someone to fantasize about, she isn’t worthy to pursue. If she's too attractive, she's a temptation.

Worst of all, we have to deal with the poison arrow of being at fault for men lusting. If they can see any of our curves, we’re a Jezebel. If we bend over to pick something up, we have to make sure not to face our backside toward you, not to bend toward you for fear you may see down our blouse, bend our knees enough so you don’t see up our skirt because all those things might make men lust. We must always be on the alert not to tempt you, 24/7.

If we pay attention to a man or speak sweetly, we may get accused of flirting. If we look you in the eye and smile when we see you, we may be trying to seduce you. If we shake your hand too firmly, we’re not feminine enough. If we hug you enthusiastically, we’re really making a pass. If we ignore you, we’re the “b” word.

Don’t you realize what bondage it is to make a woman constantly aware of not making men lust? Wouldn’t it be easier for men to just look at women the way Jesus does? NOT in the flesh, but as a spiritual child of God who happens to be in the bodily form God created her? Phil, we women need you men to stand and protect and lift us up above worldly physical standards. We need you to address other men to treat us like sisters and mothers and not as objects. We need you to look at us women honorably and lovingly with the eyes of Jesus.

The “weaker vessel” doesn’t mean God made women wimpy second-class partners. A weaker vessel refers to the tackle and armament of ships, used specifically of sails and ropes and equipping military forces for war. In other words, the husband is the head, the wife is what turns the head. The man is like a ship of war in this world, the wife is what’s equipping that ship and keeping it from going down. They work together, different roles, equal partners.

Husbands can't blame a wife for not being a good enough helper when he is criticizing her, comparing her to other women, shooting arrows at her, ignoring her, making jokes about her, neglecting her needs. In fact, men are told to take care of their wife’s needs first, love her, dwell with her in peace, treat her honorably, being faithful to her in word and deed, and treating other women like sisters and mothers. When you love your wife, you're loving yourself, Christ said.

Today I wear whatever clothes are comfortable & the colors and material makes me happy. I don’t wanna worry about what I wear because it’s a waste of time. I would rather give my full attention to you, Phil and to others and show kindness and love rather than be self-conscious and dwelling on myself.

I'm in training to see Jesus in everyone and it’s such a joyful way of life. Praise God He's teaching us His perfect ways!!

If we're dwelling on the outward man and acknowledging people according to their flesh, we're like the kid in that movie, The Sixth Sense.

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Because that’s what we'd be seeing in people, the old dead man. We need to see people in the spirit with the mind of Christ. Don't you agree with that, Phil?

I have heard similar before about this. Granted, it is a near impossible task for many woman in this country. I won't even try to imagine being empathetic, because I have never thought anywhere close in those terms that woman have to consider.
The closest I ever came to feeling objectified was about 7 years ago when I was in school and in a very large class in NYC studying nutrition. And it not about me, per se. The class was so large we had it alternately at the Beacon theater and the Lincoln Center.
There were about maybe 700 people in the class. Maybe about 50 were males; I am not kidding.
So one day we are doing a study on how the same food intake effects men and woman differently, And they are showing slides, mixed with comments and also video.
So, we come around to how when we are counseling we need to understand body image, etc. So then we get to how woman's bodies are exploited for media and other capitalistic ventures in this country and other areas of the world, and how it effects a woman's self image. So they get some woman to come up and talk about it, and then ask for a group of men from the class to some up on stage ans volunteer to discuss. Finally, while we were all on stage, about 6 of us man, and about 10 woman, and they begin to show slides and video of men models in skimpy clothing. A lot of the woman were whistling and generally enthused. They were not enthused about me, it was the video and slides they were looking at, but wow ! I was so embarrassed, and felt, I still am not sure...I just wanted to hide. Like I was not being appreciated for who I was. I did not like that experience one bit.
And that was only time I had that experience, and it was not even directed at me. Maybe when I was younger it may have also felt that sometimes, but not like this experience at that school, not even close.

So yeah, this world is a far cry from how Jesus expects men to relate to woman

 

[AuntieAnt]

I don't need scientific studies all I need to do is read your posts and that's proof enoug.

Are you telling me men don't react emotionally?

I wonder why the jails are filled more with men than women?

 

[Grace777x70]

Men are always...I repeat always to have the last words in the house.....and they are.."Yes dear"..

( this only works if you have neural plasticity in action....selah ) ( or in other words...even if you have half a brain in your head )

 

[Dino246]

Men are left brain women are right brain, that's a known fact. Yall deal in emotions primarily as is evidenced in this thread. Men post scripture and you women get all emotional about and take it as your not good enough. What can I say the bible is right.

They're right brained emotional beings, God made them that way. I'm just stating the obvious. That's why they shouldn't teach a man or usurp authority over them... that's what the bible says.

I don't need scientific studies all I need to do is read your posts and that's proof enoug.

Wow... the ignorance and blatant misogyny of these posts is amazing. I am disgusted that one who claims to be Christian would even think such tripe, let alone post it.

 

[JosephsDreams]

You've given a very large dose of what kind of man you are. And you still are. You're the peacock. You're so full of yourself you don't even get women can't be peacocks. We would be peahens.

Peacock

Peahen

Really funny now that the peacock is telling the peahens what we're doing without even noticing -- our plumes aren't up. Yours are. And it's Las Vegas gaudy. You insult Joyce Meyer, AuntieAnt, me, and all the woman on this site again and again with NO substance! Just your self-righteous sense of indignation as you prove over and over again, you ARE the one who has problems with women. Always checking out the hookers, the self-help gurus, and now some woman in a parking lot going to church.

Since obviously you feel qualified to keep ripping women apart, I will no longer look for rectification here. You are an anathema.

I've been angry with many people on this site. There are some I simply don't like. I have been raped IRL. I have been lied about IRL that cost me my job. (And, because I got the truth to the bosses, they did believe me, but couldn't take e back, so the president of the company did me a solid and recommended me to a friend to get me my next job, so it really was a lie.) I have been mistreated often, but you are the first person I ever labeled that one. I don't take the word lightly, and if I have my way, (which rarely happens), you won't be on this site long.

No woman should ever be made to feel the way you have purposely worked at causing some of us to feel. You just insulted AuntieAnt! You've insulted all of us and you don't even know us. Not to be taken lightly at all.

What is IRL?
I hope your not mad at me.

 

[coby]

Wow... the ignorance and blatant misogyny of these posts is amazing. I am disgusted that one who claims to be Christian would even think such tripe, let alone post it.

Ah who cares as long as he looks hot.

 

[kaylagrl]

actually I'm laughing right now

when I get steamed, I do get steamed, but it's over quick...my dad taught me that LOL!

I also don't hit, scratch or otherwise damage men. I do go for long drives occasionally though

Quote "I also don't hit, scratch or otherwise damage men."

Oh I can step in here, I have very long natural strong fingernails. Guys at school would always get me to drag them down the blackboard .lol Ya'll seriously dont wanna mess with me!

 

[Depleted]

So, I pose this question:
My husband has Alzheimer's, on a daily basis he tells three to four times he wants me to go to the store and get some beer.

I'm not submitting, so those of you who believe in the strictest adherence of the law, show me the verse that says "a special exception is made when the husband has Alzheimer's"

or tell me to buy the beer

Do not ever let him spend time with Dad. Dad's asking four times a minute for Happy Hour or a quick trip to the Beer Store. (Same disease.)

 

[Depleted]

I understand which is why I'm saying the phrase, "you women," only stokes their emotional ire.

 

[Depleted]

Was this a typo? Whether or not, I had a good laugh at it...

Pursue: verb (used with object), pursued, pursuing.
1. to follow in order to overtake, capture, kill, etc.; chase.
2. to follow close upon; go with; attend.
3. to strive to gain; seek to attain or accomplish (an end, object, purpose, etc.)...

Peruse: verb (used with object), perused, perusing.
1. to read through with thoroughness or care.
2. to scan or browse.
3. to read.
4. to survey or examine in detail.


Some typos are funnier for what they inadvertently say.

I hate it when I autocorrect typos in my head. If only I saw what was written. I could have laughed sooner. LOL

 

[Miri]

Any male believers in the extended family? Any past pastors? (A missionary brought me to the Lord. When I wasn't around believers for the next couple of years, I contacted him again.) Any trusted older (in the Lord) men willing to take on the mantle? (One friend was like my second father. Had I not married, I would have asked him to help me.)

All the men in my family are cousins - non Christians who don't believe in God.
Was brought up in foster care by my aunt. Grandparents died long time ago but
hardly role models even when alive.

Now looking after my elderly aunt who can't look after herself. So I call the shots
make all the decisions and have done for years. Look after the house, my aunt,
do the gardening, work part time, sort all the finances, tell my cousins when their
mum is not well as they wont take any responsibility for looking after their own
elderly mother or give any practical or financial support. In fact they borrow money
from us.

Sorry to any men listening in but honestly have to say that women are just as
capable of doing all the above and more, I even do the decorating, sort out the
repairs around the house, fixed a leaky radiator last year. Sorted out some damp
coming in a bedroom, unblocked the shower drain etc. All without the advice of a man
or the covering or accountability of a man. Oh and prayed over and anointed my
aunt when she was in hospital and not expected to live. Praise God he brought her
through - uh oh maybe that was stepping outside my role as a female, should have
brought in a pastor to do that. Slaps head lol.

I know women are regarded as the weaker sex, but when it comes to a caring role,
looking after others, multi tasking, dealing with illness, dealing with difficulties in
life. My own personal experiences are that women are mentally and emotionally
stronger. I have seen this also in my female married friends.

In an ideal situation a husband and wife will compliment each other and balance each
other with Christ at the head of the table. But it seldom seems to work that way.

Incidentally depleted you are doing an amazing job holding everything together,
you are far more stronger and resourceful than you think.

 

[Depleted]

I have heard of neural plasticity...it happens to me when I change the type of thoughts I allow in my brain...

I thought it's when the tape in the VCR got tangled up all around me. (I hope enough people remember VCR's to get the image.)

 

[Depleted]

Man am I glad to live in Holland where men and women don't like make up and fancy clothes are frowned upon. Must be our calvinistic past, but it's lovely. I can jump out of my bed and go to the office.

Even when I worked, I didn't jump out of bed. More of a moan, groan, and grumble out of bed.

 

[kaylagrl]

Actually, I think women are supposed to shut up in church... according to what Kaylagirl said several pages ago.

And I don't see the relationship between proper manners in church and who should be a pastor.

I see a distinction.

I also don't think it's a matter of great importance either. The truth is, no matter what we feel, we're already in churches that agree with us on this one.

I don't think anyone who believes differently than I do is going to hell. I don't think women pastors are going to hell. I don't agree with women being pastors, but I just think they missed their true calling. God uses us however, even if we never find our true calling. And he loves us even if we missed this concept altogether.

I am against women being pastors, but I am NOT against women pastors. They're still my bros in Christ. (The universal "bros," just like when I say "you guys," i'm not cutting it down to just males. lol)

​ Huh me ? Nope! I said I had female pastors in my family. Wow this thread has gone haywire!!

 

[Utah]

What???????

 

[coby]

What is IRL?
I hope your not mad at me.

in real life

 

[Miri]

I'm glad you have equilibrium because Ember's about to stroke out.

Utah your so funny

 

[Depleted]

Men are always...I repeat always to have the last words in the house.....and they are.."Yes dear"..

( this only works if you have neural plasticity in action....selah ) ( or in other words...even if you have half a brain in your head )

Hubby is smarter than that. He knows I'd hit him if he yes-deared me. lol

 

[ember]

Quote "I also don't hit, scratch or otherwise damage men."

Oh I can step in here, I have very long natural strong fingernails. Guys at school would always get me to drag them down the blackboard .lol Ya'll seriously dont wanna mess with me!

haha

my dad showed me some ...uh...dangerous...very dangerous...moves...I could really hurt someone too...which is why I don't even start. I know I would finish it.

But my dad was really non-violent (he was RCMP so he had alot of training) and I grew up with the weird idea that men and women are equal.

He was ahead of his time I think.

Blackboard nails....I hope they are registered LOL!