Why the king james?

[KJV1611]

I can't deal with that old English. Like another language to me.
It is not a good introductory bible for most people. I do read a NKJV though.

Can you give an example of what's so hard to understand in the KJV?

 

[Devonmcknight68]

On my walk today I was talking to God and the subject of the king james only group popped up, now I have read it and while old english gives it a sense of uniqueness I asked God why the king james only group believe their bibles are the only true bible and others arent, then I remembered one of these people telling me it's because the kj is the closest to the original scriptures written I know the OT was in hebrew and I think the NT was in greek but even if the kj is the closest to the original script it still isn't the original is it?

Is there another reason for kj only people to believe their version is the only true word of God? I am just trying to understand the reason behind this

if you go to some of the bible websites like biblegateway you can look at a specific chapter or verse in any of the different translations, it's a really good way to compare and contrast right there on the spot. I do it all the time.

 

[KJV1611]

if you go to some of the bible websites like biblegateway you can look at a specific chapter or verse in any of the different translations, it's a really good way to compare and contrast right there on the spot. I do it all the time.

How do you decide which ones right?

 

[Willie-T]

How do you decide which ones right?

Now, THAT's a heck of a question for YOU to be asking. You do just like you did. You stubbornly make up your mind that the one you want to be right is right......... even if it wasn't written for way more than a thousand years after Jesus' time here.

 

[Miri]

Miri my reading the KJV has nothing to do with preference, I read the KJV because it is the inerrant word of God and the others are not.

What do you want, something that you call "easy to read" lies or hard to read (which is not true) truth. Let me ask you this hypothetical... if you met and fell in love with a man whose language you didn't understand, would you take the time to learn his language?

There is no comparison Jesus speaks all languages, most of all the language of love.
John 3 v 16 does not say for God so loved the world.....etc etc but have
everlasting life - but only if you read the King James Version.


You asked also what good is the KJV to a Spanish speaker. But also what good is the
KJV to an English speaker who cannot understand it - the same concept applies does it
not?

 

[Willie-T]

One of the most laughable things to me that the KJVO bunch says is that it is somehow wrong to produce a Bible that is written in the commonly understood language of the day in which it is written.

And, though they don't seem to know it, that is exactly what the KJV version was written in... the common, everyday language of the late 1500's. It was written so it could be understood in the vernacular of that day. I mean, that is a laugh and a half.

I wonder if they ever asked themselves why it was updated. It was to keep up with the changing English language.

 

[KJV1611]

One of the most laughable things to me that the KJVO bunch says is that it is somehow wrong to produce a Bible that is written in the commonly understood language of the day in which it is written.

And, though they don't seem to know it, that is exactly what the KJV version was written in... the common, everyday language of the late 1500's. It was written so it could be understood in the vernacular of that day. I mean, that is a laugh and a half.

I wonder if they ever asked themselves why it was updated. It was to keep up with the changing English language.

I don't mind an updated language and God wants it updated he will do it.

 

[KJV1611]

There is no comparison Jesus speaks all languages, most of all the language of love.
John 3 v 16 does not say for God so loved the world.....etc etc but have
everlasting life - but only if you read the King James Version.


You asked also what good is the KJV to a Spanish speaker. But also what good is the
KJV to an English speaker who cannot understand it - the same concept applies does it
not?

What good is a "bible" full of mistakes and contradictions?

 

[Willie-T]

I don't mind an updated language and God wants it updated he will do it.

..... and HAS done it.

 

[KJV1611]

..... and HAS done it.

Which one? I haven't seen an inerrant updated language bible.

 

[Willie-T]

Which one? I haven't seen an inerrant updated language bible.

I've asked at least a dozen times why we are told so "in-errantly" to hate our entire families as we are told to do in Luke 14:26. But you guys can't seem to be able to tell me. And those are the very words written in the book. To understand differently or to see it any other way, you have to go off to Matthew 10:37-39.... but even then you can't bring yourself to say that the words actually written in Luke, obviously aren't an accurate rendering of what Jesus meant.

If the translators had been true to the intent of the Scripture, instead of trying to insure their own theology was preserved, we wouldn't need these newer translations to correct their biases.

 

[KJV1611]

I've asked at least a dozen times why we are told so "in-errantly" to hate our entire families as we are told to do in Luke 14:26. But you guys can't seem to be able to tell me. And those are the very words written in the book. To understand differently or to see it any other way, you have to go off to Matthew 10:37-39.... but even then you can't bring yourself to say that the words actually written in Luke, obviously aren't an accurate rendering of what Jesus meant.

If the translators had been true to the intent of the Scripture, instead of trying to insure their own theology was preserved, we wouldn't need these newer translations to correct their biases.

Willie was Agar ever your spiritual or symbolic mother?

 

[John146]

So as the English language deteriorates, we deteriorate the Bible just so we can understand it? No thank you.

Let's say, for arguments sake, the KJV is the preserved pure words of God without error...what would God think about all the other versions? Has He warned us about that in His word?

It does not help though, if people cannot understand it or are put off
discoving God by archaic language. See my last paragraph.

I realise that you personally prefer the King James and that is fine,
but to push the King James onto people who find it hard to understand,
or to insist it is the only version to read, may hinder and may be a
stumbling block to others seeking God.

That's all im saying.

 

[Willie-T]

Willie was Agar ever your spiritual or symbolic mother?

Very definitely. I lived as a slave child for many decades. But that is just a game with you. Try to stay on task, and answer the question at hand before attempting to detract with rabbit trails.

 

[hornetguy]

Willie was Agar ever your spiritual or symbolic mother?

What the heck kind of crazy question is that?

That's a pretty sorry comparison, if I understand your meaning correctly..... and if I DO understand it correctly, shame on you...

 

[KJV1611]

What the heck kind of crazy question is that?

That's a pretty sorry comparison, if I understand your meaning correctly..... and if I DO understand it correctly, shame on you...

Evidently you don't understand because it's not a crazy question.

 

[KJV1611]

Very definitely. I lived as a slave child for many decades. But that is just a game with you. Try to stay on task, and answer the question at hand before attempting to detract with rabbit trails.

I'm answering the question at hand. You just admitted that Agar was your allegorical mother before Christ. Now read the verse and tell me what part of the verse points to our earthly father and mother. It doesn't, you ADD that part, you wont let the bible speak on it's own.... stop interpretting and let the bible speak. Do you agree that you can't say for certain that the verse is talking about your earthly mother?


Luke 14:26 KJV
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

 

[Willie-T]

Either one of these (and a few others) render the verse the way Jesus meant it.... but the translators of the KJV just couldn't say it so honestly. They had to mess with it.

Luke 14:26 New Life Version (NLV)
26 “If any man comes to Me and does not have much more love for Me than for his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be My follower.

Luke 14:26 New Living Translation (NLT)
26 “If you want to be my disciple, you must, by comparison, hate everyone else—your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple.

This is the very real reason we need to be going to a number of translations and versions. Otherwisse, you could contract the Westboro disease.... LOL

 

[Willie-T]

I'm answering the question at hand. You just admitted that Agar was your allegorical mother before Christ. Now read the verse and tell me what part of the verse points to our earthly father and mother. It doesn't, you ADD that part, you wont let the bible speak on it's own.... stop interpretting and let the bible speak. Do you agree that you can't say for certain that the verse is talking about your earthly mother?


Luke 14:26 KJV
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Do you have a "Heavenly" mother? The Mormons believe they do. They got that, somehow, from literal reading, and not from understanding through interpretation.

So, the verse can only be speaking of the Earthly family you were raised in.

 

[John146]

That makes man to be the final authority on what God has said. We pick and choose which way we like it.

This is the very real reason we need to be going to a number of translations and versions. Otherwisse, you could contract the Westboro disease.... LOL