Why the king james?

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KJV1611 said:
Sorry miss impatient I was at dinner. YES!
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and that's mrs. impatient to you

the 1611 translation of the KJ Bible is quite hard to understand with all the olde englishe, is it not?

for example, here we have:


  1. For almes doth deliuer from death, and shall purge away all sinne. Those that exercise almes, and righteousness, shall be filled with life.

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    that is clearly stating that alms..or tithes we might say...or donations to the church...delivers one from death!

    is that the gospel?

    this tidbit is from Tobit 12:8-9

    but where is Tobit? It is in the Apocrypha...not the other 66 books of the old and new testament

    so..then we must conclude you are a staunch believer and follower of the Apocrypha because the good king saw fit to include them in the 1611 version of which you are a staunch believer and follower

    do you believe alms saves your soul? the 1611 KJV certainly does
 
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ember said:
and that's mrs. impatient to you

the 1611 translation of the KJ Bible is quite hard to understand with all the olde englishe, is it not?

for example, here we have:


  1. For almes doth deliuer from death, and shall purge away all sinne. Those that exercise almes, and righteousness, shall be filled with life.

    ​
    that is clearly stating that alms..or tithes we might say...or donations to the church...delivers one from death!

    is that the gospel?

    this tidbit is from Tobit 12:8-9

    but where is Tobit? It is in the Apocrypha...not the other 66 books of the old and new testament

    so..then we must conclude you are a staunch believer and follower of the Apocrypha because the good king saw fit to include them in the 1611 version of which you are a staunch believer and follower

    do you believe alms saves your soul? the 1611 KJV certainly does
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The Apocyrpha isn't scripture.
 
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ember said:
and that's mrs. impatient to you

the 1611 translation of the KJ Bible is quite hard to understand with all the olde englishe, is it not?

for example, here we have:


  1. For almes doth deliuer from death, and shall purge away all sinne. Those that exercise almes, and righteousness, shall be filled with life.

    ​
    that is clearly stating that alms..or tithes we might say...or donations to the church...delivers one from death!

    is that the gospel?

    this tidbit is from Tobit 12:8-9

    but where is Tobit? It is in the Apocrypha...not the other 66 books of the old and new testament

    so..then we must conclude you are a staunch believer and follower of the Apocrypha because the good king saw fit to include them in the 1611 version of which you are a staunch believer and follower

    do you believe alms saves your soul? the 1611 KJV certainly does
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Hi

The Apocrypha is just like the maps place at the end of Concordance in my Bible. If like, you can simply tear them apart without sinning since it does not belong to the text of the Bible.

God bless you:)
 
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KJV1611 said:
Try believing every word in the KJV and you might see that it's inspired and inerrant.
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With exactly the same reasoning, you might try to persuade me that Mein Kampf is inspired and inerrant. What utter foolishness! As I said earlier, it's circular reasoning.

I have already demonstrated to you the hypocrisy of your belief. Why would I want to share it? And why would I want to believe something that isn't true (the value of pi according to the KJV, or that the plural of cherub is cherubims)? What you fail to see, or refuse to see, is that you cannot defend your position logically. Because you can't defend it logically, you keep throwing out blunted barbs hoping that somehow they will get past the garbage filter this time. They won't.

Your reasoning is weak, your logic is faulty, your belief is cultic, and your position is wrongheaded. May the Lord bless you anyway.
 
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Dino246 said:
With exactly the same reasoning, you might try to persuade me that Mein Kampf is inspired and inerrant. What utter foolishness! As I said earlier, it's circular reasoning.

I have already demonstrated to you the hypocrisy of your belief. Why would I want to share it? And why would I want to believe something that isn't true (the value of pi according to the KJV, or that the plural of cherub is cherubims)? What you fail to see, or refuse to see, is that you cannot defend your position logically. Because you can't defend it logically, you keep throwing out blunted barbs hoping that somehow they will get past the garbage filter this time. They won't.

Your reasoning is weak, your logic is faulty, your belief is cultic, and your position is wrongheaded. May the Lord bless you anyway.
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I didn't see you demonstrate anything. I told you the only way to see the insiration of the KJV is to first believe it. You can't change the bible and you can't interpret it, you have to let it say exactly what it says and that's not something you can do.
 
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Dino246 said:
With exactly the same reasoning, you might try to persuade me that Mein Kampf is inspired and inerrant. What utter foolishness! As I said earlier, it's circular reasoning.

I have already demonstrated to you the hypocrisy of your belief. Why would I want to share it? And why would I want to believe something that isn't true (the value of pi according to the KJV, or that the plural of cherub is cherubims)? What you fail to see, or refuse to see, is that you cannot defend your position logically. Because you can't defend it logically, you keep throwing out blunted barbs hoping that somehow they will get past the garbage filter this time. They won't.

Your reasoning is weak, your logic is faulty, your belief is cultic, and your position is wrongheaded. May the Lord bless you anyway.
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Try it with Mein Kampf and you'll see the errors and contradictions, in fact try it with any of the modern versions of the bible and you'll find mistakes with them too. There's only one book that doesn't have errors and contradict itself. It's not just the KJV that you don't believe, you don't believe any bible and you don't read any bible for exactly what it says, you make it say whatever you want it to say... I 'll show you what I mean. Is John 3:16 from the NIV true or false? This is a no-brainer with anybody who's intellectually honest, but I guarantee you that you wont answer truthfully.

John 3:16New International Version (NIV)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 
fredoheaven

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Dino246 said:
I didn't state that White has evidence that the KJV is wrong. I stated that he presents evidence regarding the King James Only movement. However, that same source shows shortcomings in the KJV.



Whether he is an authority is irrelevant. The evidence which he has assembled is relevant.



No, Jesus Christ should.

People, please read The King James Only Controversy by James White. It contains a wealth of information regarding this subject, is well-written, and is worth the few hours it will take to read. The evidence it contains addresses most, if not all, of the claims made by people advocating a KJV-only position.
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King James White??? Is is fairly written or another Hort's clone. I have read some articles against his book but still cannot judge since I haven't read yet the whole story or perhaps you just give us some glimpsed about his book... Any way, I believe the KJV "is given by inspiration of God" so the question is, Do we really need a Bible that is uninspired, imperfect Bible?

God bless:)
 
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KJV1611 said:
I didn't see you demonstrate anything. I told you the only way to see the insiration of the KJV is to first believe it. You can't change the bible and you can't interpret it, you have to let it say exactly what it says and that's not something you can do.
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Yep, others called it the "logic of faith" and not a mere human reasoning. You only got to believe every word is inspired and is preserved so the moment I hold my KJV, I have God's Words quick and powerful.

God bless
 
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Nikki84 said:
Yeah, lots of bible worship here
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No to Bible Worship! But Yes to the Author of the Bible. God seeks his people to get into worship with the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. We just love to obey or keep his words just like God keeps His Words.

God bless you:)

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

“If a man love me, he will keep my words.” John 14:23

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” Jeremiah 15:16
 
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KJV1611 said:
The Apocyrpha isn't scripture.
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really?

then perhaps you might clarify why you state the 1611 KJV is the ONLY INSPIRED Bible?

you are basically denying your own beliefs here

which most of us have been trying to illustrate low these many posts

the 1611 contains the apocrypha and you INSIST......it is inspired and that is the Bible you use...back it up and read your response to me wherein you affirmed it is the ONLY inspired Bible in English

I think you are just parroting what you have been told because you obviously have no HISTORICAL basis for your beliefs
 
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fredoheaven said:
Hi

The Apocrypha is just like the maps place at the end of Concordance in my Bible. If like, you can simply tear them apart without sinning since it does not belong to the text of the Bible.

God bless you:)
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please don't keep your head buried too long...you need to breathe at one point

the KJV 1611 is no more inspired then the posts defending it

worse, it is simply downright silly to insist that a translation chock full of errors, that has been corrected multiple times over the centuries is inspired

I cannot begin to state how unsound and how just simply silly and uneducated the claims are that try to make an idol out of the 1611 translation

you guys are building your tiny little structures on sinking sand

HOW IS IT YOU FAIL TO SEE THAT IF YOU ARE TEARING OUT PORTIONS OF YOUR VERY EXTRA SPECIAL INSPIRED EDITION, IT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE INSPIRED

gaaaa....I can't even begin to have sympathy for such silly silly ideas
 
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The King James translators rejected the Apocrypha and put it in the middle of the Testaments, showing that they were not inspired scripture, rather just historical writings filled with errors. They clearly indicated it was not part of the inspired words of Go.


ember said:
really?

then perhaps you might clarify why you state the 1611 KJV is the ONLY INSPIRED Bible?

you are basically denying your own beliefs here

which most of us have been trying to illustrate low these many posts

the 1611 contains the apocrypha and you INSIST......it is inspired and that is the Bible you use...back it up and read your response to me wherein you affirmed it is the ONLY inspired Bible in English

I think you are just parroting what you have been told because you obviously have no HISTORICAL basis for your beliefs
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At the risk of repeating myself (which I'm sure I am)............Why not the King James?
 
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If you believed you had the preserved pure words of God without error, would you make an idol out of it? Absolutely not! You would read it, believe it, trust it, and defend it till the end. The KJV has never been proven it contains errors. The Apocrypha point is settled. It was not part of the inspired writings and they knew it contained errors. But, however, the new versions are translated from the manuscripts which actually included the Apocrypha.

ember said:
please don't keep your head buried too long...you need to breathe at one point

the KJV 1611 is no more inspired then the posts defending it

worse, it is simply downright silly to insist that a translation chock full of errors, that has been corrected multiple times over the centuries is inspired

I cannot begin to state how unsound and how just simply silly and uneducated the claims are that try to make an idol out of the 1611 translation

you guys are building your tiny little structures on sinking sand

HOW IS IT YOU FAIL TO SEE THAT IF YOU ARE TEARING OUT PORTIONS OF YOUR VERY EXTRA SPECIAL INSPIRED EDITION, IT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE INSPIRED

gaaaa....I can't even begin to have sympathy for such silly silly ideas
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Because man does not want to give up final authority to a book. With many Bibles, man can pick and choose which book, chapter, verse, word they like best.

Many Bibles = man is the authority

One Bible = God is the authority


p_rehbein said:
At the risk of repeating myself (which I'm sure I am)............Why not the King James?
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John146 said:
If you believed you had the preserved pure words of God without error, would you make an idol out of it? Absolutely not! You would read it, believe it, trust it, and defend it till the end. The KJV has never been proven it contains errors. The Apocrypha point is settled. It was not part of the inspired writings and they knew it contained errors. But, however, the new versions are translated from the manuscripts which actually included the Apocrypha.
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I understand

It would just really rock your world to admit the KJV circa 1611 is not perfect

aiyee carumba....:p
 
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ember said:
really?

then perhaps you might clarify why you state the 1611 KJV is the ONLY INSPIRED Bible?

you are basically denying your own beliefs here

which most of us have been trying to illustrate low these many posts

the 1611 contains the apocrypha and you INSIST......it is inspired and that is the Bible you use...back it up and read your response to me wherein you affirmed it is the ONLY inspired Bible in English

I think you are just parroting what you have been told because you obviously have no HISTORICAL basis for your beliefs
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That's like saying maps or commentries are part of the bible. It's ridiculous to say and the only reason you bring it up is because you can't prove the KJV has errors.
 
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