P
Why the king james?
- Thread starter Blain
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Good point..I think Jesus Himself backs you up with that...( personally I can't believe the complete spiritual foolishness of this thread...and all those that are KJV only.
.John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
When you got saved, did you put your trust in Scripture or the Savior of the Scriptures?
Good point..I think Jesus Himself backs you up with that...( personally I can't believe the complete spiritual foolishness of this thread...and all those that are KJV only.
John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Why do you think there's a difference between the Word of God and the word of God? The bible says the word of God is alive and most certainly it is. The bible is way beyond just being a book, it truly is alive.
i believe there are a lot of people who are saved and have never had a copy of scripture, in any language. certainly before the printing press, this is true.
E
ember
Guest
really? since when did maps ever say they were inspired? your logic scares me...mr spock would not approve either
I don't have to prove the KJV has errors...it's well known by the many corrections that have been made since its inception
I mean, seriously, your response reminds me of : nah nah nah nah nah...phzzzt!
E
ember
Guest
DID YOU KNOW:
Few KJV Onlyites seem to realize that the 1611KJV was not the first English Bible, neither is it the edition of the KJV that most read in our day
oops
Few KJV Onlyites seem to realize that the 1611KJV was not the first English Bible, neither is it the edition of the KJV that most read in our day
oops
E
ember
Guest
READ ALL ABOUT IT.....FACTS NOT FICTION...
THE KJV1611 IS A WEE BABE COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL FIRST TRANSLATIONS
History of the manuscripts we now know as 'The Bible"
THE KJV1611 IS A WEE BABE COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL FIRST TRANSLATIONS
History of the manuscripts we now know as 'The Bible"
Good point..I think Jesus Himself backs you up with that...( personally I can't believe the complete spiritual foolishness of this thread...and all those that are KJV only.
John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
The only scriptures available at that time were the Old Testament scriptures. The Old Testament scriptures truly did testify of Christ through the law, the feasts and the foreshadows in the lives of the people in the Old Testament.
So why do you think the Jews thought they had eternal life in the scriptures instead of seeing that they testified of Christ? I'll give you a hint... it's for the same reason that you reject that Stumbling stone and Rock of offence KJV bible. You can't see the word of the Lord hidden in the shadows and stories of the New Testament. It is actually you who think you have eternal life in the scriptures and it is actually I that sees the testimony of Christ hidden in the shadows and stories of the New Testament.
Sorry, I'm not trying to offend you, I'm just telling you the truth.... You are doing exactly the same thing the Jews did when Jesus said what he said.
When did anybody say the Apocrypha was inspired, I didn't, the KJV translators didn't. Also I would be interested to see what changes have been made since 1611, can you post one?
it's ok ....
.you are not offending me....I know better...the bible is NOT God....it is a book that is translated from inspired manuscripts to reveal Jesus to us...I am not into book worship..the book is to help the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus...I'm sorry but I did have to laughat the KJV only being called the" stumbling stone and the rock of offense"...here I always thought that was for Jesus...I'm sure that even the KJV says that......that statement makes me shake my head in utter dis-belief.....This will be the last I post on this as this is just too weird for me......every time I come in to this thread it gets weirder and weirder....Have a great night...God bless you..
it's ok ....
I'm sorry but I did have to laughat the KJV only being called the" stumbling stone and the rock of offense"...here I always thought that was for Jesus...I'm sure that even the KJV says that......that statement makes me shake my head in utter dis-belief.....This will be the last I post on this as this is just too weird for me......every time I come in to this thread it gets weirder and weirder....Have a great night...God bless you..
The word of God is the Word of God, what can I say.. my bible is alive. God bless you also.
I think this is an interesting topic for discussion because it certainly gets used out of context often.
John 5:39 KJV
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
The only scriptures available at that time were the Old Testament scriptures. The Old Testament scriptures truly did testify of Christ through the law, the feasts and the foreshadows in the lives of the people in the Old Testament.
So why do you think the Jews thought they had eternal life in the scriptures instead of seeing that they testified of Christ?
John 5:39 KJV
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
The only scriptures available at that time were the Old Testament scriptures. The Old Testament scriptures truly did testify of Christ through the law, the feasts and the foreshadows in the lives of the people in the Old Testament.
So why do you think the Jews thought they had eternal life in the scriptures instead of seeing that they testified of Christ?
Faith come by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. The word of God had to be involved in some way.
God knew what would become of the English language and how the great modern missionary movement of the late 1700's through the 1950's would be carried out by American and English missionaries carrying one Bible and translating it into hundreds of foreign languages and dialects. No Bible in history has been used, honored and hated as much as the King James Bible. The King James Bible was even read out loud from space as the astronauts orbited the moon.
God also knew the great battle concerning the preservation of His words would take place during the times of the falling away from the faith before the glorious return of the Lord Jesus Christ. I think it quite possible that we are living in those times now. Never before has the Holy Bible itself been under such fierce attack. The irony is that those who now attack the Bible are those who bear the name of Christians.
They refuse to believe that God has in fact preserved His words in the one Book that has been used and blessed by God a hundred times more than any other. History and the sovereignty of God bear witness that the King James Bible is that one Book, without proven error.
God also knew the great battle concerning the preservation of His words would take place during the times of the falling away from the faith before the glorious return of the Lord Jesus Christ. I think it quite possible that we are living in those times now. Never before has the Holy Bible itself been under such fierce attack. The irony is that those who now attack the Bible are those who bear the name of Christians.
They refuse to believe that God has in fact preserved His words in the one Book that has been used and blessed by God a hundred times more than any other. History and the sovereignty of God bear witness that the King James Bible is that one Book, without proven error.
The Hebrew word "cherub" is transliterated in most English bibles. The plural should either be, "cherubs" (English plural) or "cherubim" (Hebrew plural). What does the KJV have? "Cherubims". There ya go... the KJV has an error (actually, 57 of them in this one example).
Case closed. Have a nice day.
E
ember
Guest
here's another error that you and your brethren refuse to acknowledge
Staunch Calvinist Theodore Beza was one of the editorsof the Textus Receptus. The KJV translators had hischanges, which included “If they shall fall away” in Heb.6:6. Such a misrendering helps to preserve Calvinism’sperseverance of the saints. Adam Clarke’s commentaryshows the errors of that as being: (a) the word “If” was unjustlyinserted and (b) the tense is aorist, meaning it shouldbe translated in the past tense, “HAVE fallen away.”Another distortion occurred at Heb. 10:38!
you ask for proof of errors and when you are given them, you ignore them
it is inconceivable that people would actually think a version of the Bible in English was inspired by God
and everyone who speaks a different language is going to hell because they don't have the inspired version
you may not believe that folks who do not swear to the KJV only club are not saved, but apparently many do, which is one of the main reasons that KJV onlyists are considered to be a cult with erroneous teaching...
erroneous teaching ALWAYS includes a refusal to acknowledge that another outside of the group may be right
it also ALWAYS teaches that the interpretation given by the group is 100% correct and unquestionable...meaning everyone else is wrong
Last edited:
The same reasoning is applied to the word cherubims as to seraphims. The King James Bible is not at all in error. It should be obvious that the King James Bible is an ENGLISH translation, and to clearly show that the word “seraphims” is plural (there were more than one of them) we form the English plural by adding an “s” to the word.
There are quite a few English words whose singular form ends in 'im' and the plural of these English words ends in "ims". We have brim, claim, denim, interim, maxim, trim, pilgrim, rim and victim to name a few. The King James Bible is obviously an English translation. When an English speaker sees a transliterated Hebrew word like seraphim, we would not know if this is a singular or a plural, so the KJB translators (and many others as well) add an 's' to the end of the word to make it clear that it is plural in number; thus we have the perfectly acceptable English word seraphims.
The word “seraphims” occurs only twice in the King James Bible; both in Isaiah chapter 6 verses 2 and 3. Here we read: “In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly...6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar”
We find the same thing applies when the Bible talks about the Cerubims. These heavenly beings are talked about a lot more in Scripture. They are mentioned some 59 times in the King James Bible and are found in such places as Genesis 3:24 - “So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. “
And in Exodus 25:18-19 - “And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. “
Notice that the “cherubimS” is plural and the “cherub” is singular.
Again, the KJV rules supreme.
There are quite a few English words whose singular form ends in 'im' and the plural of these English words ends in "ims". We have brim, claim, denim, interim, maxim, trim, pilgrim, rim and victim to name a few. The King James Bible is obviously an English translation. When an English speaker sees a transliterated Hebrew word like seraphim, we would not know if this is a singular or a plural, so the KJB translators (and many others as well) add an 's' to the end of the word to make it clear that it is plural in number; thus we have the perfectly acceptable English word seraphims.
The word “seraphims” occurs only twice in the King James Bible; both in Isaiah chapter 6 verses 2 and 3. Here we read: “In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly...6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar”
We find the same thing applies when the Bible talks about the Cerubims. These heavenly beings are talked about a lot more in Scripture. They are mentioned some 59 times in the King James Bible and are found in such places as Genesis 3:24 - “So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. “
And in Exodus 25:18-19 - “And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. “
Notice that the “cherubimS” is plural and the “cherub” is singular.
Again, the KJV rules supreme.
Hebrews 10:38 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him" is referring to a quote in Habakkuk 2:4 where two different kinds of people are contrasted. There it says: "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him; but the just shall live by his faith." Clearly there is a contrast between two different kinds of people, and the KJB has rightly carried over this distinction in the New Testament.
Once again, the KJV is correct.
Once again, the KJV is correct.