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How are you able to do that in so few words??! 
Makes me think of the parable in Luke:
49John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us." 50But Jesus said to him, "Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you."
I can hear modern disciples now: "Master, master! We saw a woman preaching and we tried to stop her because she does not follow along with us. But Jesus said, 'Do not hinder her; for she who is not against you is for you.'"
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The same logic that allows you to be a deaconness would allow for women pastors, because it says "husband of one wife" for both.
The head is not the lead pastor but Christ...I attend a Methodist church and they ordain women pastors.
I think a good pastor requires more than being male or female and without strong men and women lead by the Holy Spirit the church will fall.
The pastor told me that a preacher is not a pastor because one just gets up and gives a sermon, but a pastor takes care of the sheep. He was Baptist and believed that a pastor should be married because he needed his wife's help with the female sheep.
It made sense to me because it was a small church.
My current church has a senior pastor and two assistant pastors. One of the assistants is a woman and she preaches great sermons and they co teach the new members class.
This debate can spiral down and some folks are kind of offensive about it but in the end it's just a distraction to take the focus off of God and what He wants us to do.
The head is not the lead pastor but Christ...I attend a Methodist church and they ordain women pastors.
I think a good pastor requires more than being male or female and without strong men and women lead by the Holy Spirit the church will fall.
The pastor told me that a preacher is not a pastor because one just gets up and gives a sermon, but a pastor takes care of the sheep. He was Baptist and believed that a pastor should be married because he needed his wife's help with the female sheep.
It made sense to me because it was a small church.
My current church has a senior pastor and two assistant pastors. One of the assistants is a woman and she preaches great sermons and they co teach the new members class.
This debate can spiral down and some folks are kind of offensive about it but in the end it's just a distraction to take the focus off of God and what He wants us to do.
After reading that article, it seems to me that it hangs more on the principal of family and relationship then a church building.
When I have a problem thinking through something, I pray, do some research, and give it some thought. I have found that for me what works a lot of times is to boil it down to the family structure, that being the foundation of society. Something God put in place as such. God being a God of family, and relationship, to me that is the essence of these type of things.
I use it a lot with government. Like with the principle of health care. Health care is good. I would aid someone in my family that needed help, I would sacrifice, but I understand there is a finite amount of resources, but they need to understand there is only so much I can do given whatever restraints I have, and they have to do what they can to pitch in, whatever that may be. After the spirit of doing ones best is more important to me then the actual performance.
So if God made both woman and men to have peer co equality in raising a family, why would that not extend to any area of life where similar circumstances present it self.
A home church, Sunday school, continues in that vein, so how is brick and mortar building is going to change a Godly principle?
When I have a problem thinking through something, I pray, do some research, and give it some thought. I have found that for me what works a lot of times is to boil it down to the family structure, that being the foundation of society. Something God put in place as such. God being a God of family, and relationship, to me that is the essence of these type of things.
I use it a lot with government. Like with the principle of health care. Health care is good. I would aid someone in my family that needed help, I would sacrifice, but I understand there is a finite amount of resources, but they need to understand there is only so much I can do given whatever restraints I have, and they have to do what they can to pitch in, whatever that may be. After the spirit of doing ones best is more important to me then the actual performance.
So if God made both woman and men to have peer co equality in raising a family, why would that not extend to any area of life where similar circumstances present it self.
A home church, Sunday school, continues in that vein, so how is brick and mortar building is going to change a Godly principle?
i'm gonna describe an awfully specific scenario, but it just came to mind.
i was on fb, and someone shared a video clip of a woman preaching at a women's conference. no biggie. now, the video footage is done professionally. it's not someone who used a cell phone to record the clip. now, i can't see the camera people, but i'm thinking there's maybe a guy or 2 here and there helping with it. maybe there are guys helping with lights and sound. in other words, men are present, but it's a women's conference. so... is it acceptable for a woman to preach/lead/teach because it's a women's conference although men are present?
what if a pastor of a church decides to drive the church van/bus to take the ladies from his congregation to a women's conference? does he stay outside?
i know i know. specific scenarios.
i was on fb, and someone shared a video clip of a woman preaching at a women's conference. no biggie. now, the video footage is done professionally. it's not someone who used a cell phone to record the clip. now, i can't see the camera people, but i'm thinking there's maybe a guy or 2 here and there helping with it. maybe there are guys helping with lights and sound. in other words, men are present, but it's a women's conference. so... is it acceptable for a woman to preach/lead/teach because it's a women's conference although men are present?
what if a pastor of a church decides to drive the church van/bus to take the ladies from his congregation to a women's conference? does he stay outside?
i know i know. specific scenarios.
Wow great resource if one needs to rationalize behavior that excludes God.
I will be cold inside and outside if you reject Gods order in the family or in the church. Broken families are the result of the curse of sin. Broken churches are resulting from the same cause. God is grieved in both cases.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I will be cold inside and outside if you reject Gods order in the family or in the church. Broken families are the result of the curse of sin. Broken churches are resulting from the same cause. God is grieved in both cases.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I assume nothing about bible doctrine, nor do I conclude anything based on "my interpretation".
It isn't my interpretation. The bible is not subject to private interpretation. Its meaning is the same for all of us.
I read and pray daily. What I know about Gods word His spirit reveals to me.
And I have never tried to stop a woman from preaching. It is disingenuous for you to suggest that I did or do.
I have brought bible, and bible only to this topic.
For the life of me I can't figure out why I keep dropping back in on it. I guess it's kind of like a trainwreck, just human nature to gawk at the mess.
It has turned into a bunch of glad handing and back slapping by people that discount Paul's authority.
If there is one thing I don't get about people that claim to be christians, it is that they accept what Christ said when it's in red, but they summarily dismiss it when Paul repeats Christ's instruction to him on what to preach.
They think part of the bible is good, but 3 pages later it is all about ancient custom or how the church supposedly was then, that it has no bearing or meaning for them now. They include the scriptures about all scripture being profitable for doctrine..well, unless it benefits their particular slant.
While I am sometimes amazed at the hypocrisy, I remember the same attitude put obama in the white house and endorses hillary.
It isn't my interpretation. The bible is not subject to private interpretation. Its meaning is the same for all of us.
I read and pray daily. What I know about Gods word His spirit reveals to me.
And I have never tried to stop a woman from preaching. It is disingenuous for you to suggest that I did or do.
I have brought bible, and bible only to this topic.
For the life of me I can't figure out why I keep dropping back in on it. I guess it's kind of like a trainwreck, just human nature to gawk at the mess.
It has turned into a bunch of glad handing and back slapping by people that discount Paul's authority.
If there is one thing I don't get about people that claim to be christians, it is that they accept what Christ said when it's in red, but they summarily dismiss it when Paul repeats Christ's instruction to him on what to preach.
They think part of the bible is good, but 3 pages later it is all about ancient custom or how the church supposedly was then, that it has no bearing or meaning for them now. They include the scriptures about all scripture being profitable for doctrine..well, unless it benefits their particular slant.
While I am sometimes amazed at the hypocrisy, I remember the same attitude put obama in the white house and endorses hillary.
I don't know who came up with that little bit of "wisdom" but I'm about sick of hearing it.
We are supposed to interpret what we read, and apply it to our lives. It's done with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit of God, and if we prayerfully ask for guidance, we will receive it.
If someone goes strictly by what the Bible says, then an alcoholic would have to drink some wine, for the sake of his health, as Paul instructed Timothy.
What about a person that has a conscientious objection to eating pork? Who cares why, it just violates their conscience. The Word says to go ahead and eat anything, even pork. Should that person not "interpret" the scripture to understand that he should not, if it violates his conscience?
Of COURSE people read and interpret the Bible... as it should be.
We are supposed to interpret what we read, and apply it to our lives. It's done with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit of God, and if we prayerfully ask for guidance, we will receive it.
If someone goes strictly by what the Bible says, then an alcoholic would have to drink some wine, for the sake of his health, as Paul instructed Timothy.
What about a person that has a conscientious objection to eating pork? Who cares why, it just violates their conscience. The Word says to go ahead and eat anything, even pork. Should that person not "interpret" the scripture to understand that he should not, if it violates his conscience?
Of COURSE people read and interpret the Bible... as it should be.