The problem with Farleys theology is he believes we are made perfect at the point of redemption, the heart is completely remade. He created a map of the soul which he believed was the believer. Again he has a problem of how you square christianity with morality, why behave well, which he fails to answer other than to say it is a good idea.
Obedience & righteousness - extreme grace version
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And maybe you're right.
When I entered the picture, it looked like folks (on both "sides") were accusing each other of being heretics and hypocrites--false teachers. To find out that this was all because of a couple videos that were shared, is troubling. I think it's wrong to conclude that Grace777x70 is subscribing to some false gospel by mere fact that he has shared a couple questionable videos.
When I entered the picture, it looked like folks (on both "sides") were accusing each other of being heretics and hypocrites--false teachers. To find out that this was all because of a couple videos that were shared, is troubling. I think it's wrong to conclude that Grace777x70 is subscribing to some false gospel by mere fact that he has shared a couple questionable videos.
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One problem with the thinking that sin in the believer is forgiven, such that the concept is that God is blind to the sin of the believer, flies in the face of consequences of sin in this life and the Lord chastising sons, as Hebrews 12 confirms. To say our sins are blotted out, in terms of salvation, is true, this God's mercy and grace by faith. On the other hand, I can see being repentant as a believer, know repentance as a life practice, and praying the Lord have mercy for any sin that remains in me, as the rod of the Lord's chastisement is very real, sin having consequences and, unless one is a glutton for punishment, we must walk in the light and with care, God forbid the attitude, well, I'm clothed in Christ's righteousness, therefore drinks all around at the bar. "What, me worry?" I think not! Being full of ourselves isn't being full of Christ. What about the sin unto death we're not to pray for, 1 John 5:16? Is this a fiction? Sin is serious, and sin is real, for all believers to contend with and turn from. If you think life and grace equate to tiptoeing through the tulips, you'd better make sure there's no poison oak in your field. Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
I don't think this whole endless bicker involves any real communication, though. There seems to be an element of trollish behavior where people are, in fact, here to bicker, want to endlessly bicker, which I don't see as Christian. It's wrong to say sin in the believer is not real and without consequences, but it's also wrong to think one is in any way self-righteous, such that the Lord needs our help to save us. The two extremes of error are that God puts on opaque glasses to sin, and that we're not required to be vigilant, or that the Holy Spirit ceases to convict of us sin in our lives (that would be called a dead conscience), the other extreme to think there's any self-righteousness, if you had a truck load of works, that could save you or help to save you. Both extremes are error by clear scripture, but I've not exactly been seeing things this blatant said in these endless bickers. Whatever the case, if there are people arguing from these polls, it's idiotic to think you're ever going to meet, or, more importantly, that such error will meet truth.
Call it what you want, but I pray the Lord's mercy for any of my trespasses and seek to avoid His chastisement, as best I know how, can pray the whole Lord's prayer with Christian meaning, pass the whitewash can to somebody else: I need the Lord's tender mercies, everyday, find meaning in working out my salvation with fear and trembling for that in me which could not be pleasing to God. And God would cease to be holy, despite His grace, were He ever to wink at sin. If the payment was innocent Christ's agony and precious blood, you'd best not wink at sin, either.
I don't think this whole endless bicker involves any real communication, though. There seems to be an element of trollish behavior where people are, in fact, here to bicker, want to endlessly bicker, which I don't see as Christian. It's wrong to say sin in the believer is not real and without consequences, but it's also wrong to think one is in any way self-righteous, such that the Lord needs our help to save us. The two extremes of error are that God puts on opaque glasses to sin, and that we're not required to be vigilant, or that the Holy Spirit ceases to convict of us sin in our lives (that would be called a dead conscience), the other extreme to think there's any self-righteousness, if you had a truck load of works, that could save you or help to save you. Both extremes are error by clear scripture, but I've not exactly been seeing things this blatant said in these endless bickers. Whatever the case, if there are people arguing from these polls, it's idiotic to think you're ever going to meet, or, more importantly, that such error will meet truth.
Call it what you want, but I pray the Lord's mercy for any of my trespasses and seek to avoid His chastisement, as best I know how, can pray the whole Lord's prayer with Christian meaning, pass the whitewash can to somebody else: I need the Lord's tender mercies, everyday, find meaning in working out my salvation with fear and trembling for that in me which could not be pleasing to God. And God would cease to be holy, despite His grace, were He ever to wink at sin. If the payment was innocent Christ's agony and precious blood, you'd best not wink at sin, either.
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Squaring morality with Christianity is EASY.
The natural result of growing Spiritually is morality.
Satans deception is......
morality is spirituality. Or spirituality results from morality..............his main deception in this world. It ain't sinning like hell.It is behave well and you will do well my friend and gives you a kiss on the cheek.
The natural result of growing Spiritually is morality.
Satans deception is......
morality is spirituality. Or spirituality results from morality..............his main deception in this world. It ain't sinning like hell.It is behave well and you will do well my friend and gives you a kiss on the cheek.
We have the Word and the Holy Spirit guides us. We have each other to hear and learn from, and we may question each other at our pleasure, but other writings, books, videos, cd's etc are recorded with no recourse for discussion. Ergo, they are the same as being engraved in stone, not flexible, and not approachable.
I believe we should all stick with what God has given us, and each other in the light of the Gospel.
What I think and a dollar will not get you a coffee at Starbuck's, not that I recommend going there.
I believe we should all stick with what God has given us, and each other in the light of the Gospel.
What I think and a dollar will not get you a coffee at Starbuck's, not that I recommend going there.
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I like Bas...I did his course last year.... Re: What does it mean to rest in God? #48
Bas Rijksen is the guy teaching in this video. This is 100% what Grace7x77 believes, he has done his course, is completely soaked in this attitude and theology.
So I would say Grace7x77 is being completely miss-leading.
I have a few stronger words to say, but the Lord helps restrain me.
I like Bas...I did his course last year.... Re: What does it mean to rest in God? #48
Bas Rijksen is the guy teaching in this video. This is 100% what Grace7x77 believes, he has done his course, is completely soaked in this attitude and theology.
So I would say Grace7x77 is being completely miss-leading.
I have a few stronger words to say, but the Lord helps restrain me.
I went back and looked at the http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/131188-what-does-mean-rest-god-3.html#post2482973
And I see that it was HeRose that first said something about this guy from Holland ...I went to the website and posted the video for people to see what is being said as sometimes people "twist" what is being said...so, I just posted the video link
..as I say..I agree with some things..others I don't..just like 100% of all other teachers...
Nobody knows it all including all of us!...I love learning about the awesome grace and love our Lord and good Father has for us and in their great salvation!
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^ Thanks for this.
I appreciate what you have shared.
Phil 2:12-13 jumps out at me as I'm reading this.
Do you agree with this article: (What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)?)
...that "continue to work out your salvation" is referring to sanctification?
I appreciate what you have shared.
Phil 2:12-13 jumps out at me as I'm reading this.
Do you agree with this article: (What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)?)
...that "continue to work out your salvation" is referring to sanctification?
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God has restrained me from speaking to you for a few days now.. Because it would not be pretty.
Grace 77 has continuously said, he does not agree 100% what any of the people he posts say, I have read may a book from people I do not agree with on all things. It does not mean what they had to say was not good.
You have some good things to say from time to time, If I use what you said to help someone else understand something, It does not make me a PeterJens follower. Nor does it mean I follow the same gospel as you follow.
Your just being dishonest, and argumentative, You can not read Grace777's mind, You and HRFTD are false accusers. You can say if Grace does not admit this he is a liar a million times, it does not make what you say gospel truth.
And I am being nice to you right now!!
Grace 77 has continuously said, he does not agree 100% what any of the people he posts say, I have read may a book from people I do not agree with on all things. It does not mean what they had to say was not good.
You have some good things to say from time to time, If I use what you said to help someone else understand something, It does not make me a PeterJens follower. Nor does it mean I follow the same gospel as you follow.
Your just being dishonest, and argumentative, You can not read Grace777's mind, You and HRFTD are false accusers. You can say if Grace does not admit this he is a liar a million times, it does not make what you say gospel truth.
And I am being nice to you right now!!
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I am happy to see folks communicating again--and being decent to each other!
We all have strengths and weaknesses.
We're all prone to be pulled away by our own desires and temptations.
You're forgiven! I'm not holding anything against anyone. I do not feel anyone has wronged me without apologizing. I hope that others can say the same of me.
We all have strengths and weaknesses.
We're all prone to be pulled away by our own desires and temptations.
You're forgiven! I'm not holding anything against anyone. I do not feel anyone has wronged me without apologizing. I hope that others can say the same of me.
Exactly....there is not a teacher around that I agree on everything with 100%. It doesn't matter if it's a book or a video. I have taken lot's of courses in my lifetime from many different teachers. I like a lot of teachers but there are some things they says I do not agree with but I don't call him a heretic or satanic because I don't agree with them.....lol
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