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I was kind of joking and kind of not. Because our society has actually devolved to where there are children subjected to that.....and it's all been under the advancement of a socialist agenda. I get where you are coming from and I get the heart behind it but what I don't get is the numerous times what you are proposing has been already tried and it always leads to the same end result and you fail to see it.
Well in all fairness, we were slaughtering kids to somehow extract freedom from their blood (I'm assuming thats how it works) way before the socialist agenda
 
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I hope you saw that I edited my above post. Check what I wrote just before this again...I made a comment about Casinos in my old school. But anyway, you can't be serious. You're REALLY trying to make that argument that kidnapped abused children are the result of socialism?!?! That's ridiculous. I'm not sure if you're trying to get into Chinese sweat shops or something....but the way I read that....I feel like you're just blaming socialism for everything....every murderer and rapist MUST be a socialist!
Can you put a name on two seemingly different types of people who actually have the exact same line of thinking? The criminal mind and the socialist mind are actually pretty similar from what I can see.
 
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Im sorry but I couldnt help thinking that you are a very misinformed young lady or a gov troll.Obamacare has never been on the right track nor was it created with healthcare in mind.It has been a huge fail from conception.
Wow...a rare instance where I agree with abortion!
 
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Can you put a name on two seemingly different types of people who actually have the exact same line of thinking? The criminal mind and the socialist mind are actually pretty similar from what I can see.
WOAH man.....What?! For real??? I'm not sure if you're referring to some odious communist leaders or dictators or what... but the type of things I've been mentioning are the furthest thing from the general intent of an alleged criminal, and that thing is greed. Most, not all, criminals function by greed. They want power, or money, or sex, or whatever... They are bad people and are usually impulsive and very "me" driven. It can even come in the form of a sociopath. In fact, many really successful people are supposedly sociopaths. So, if anything, it's a capitalistic mindset that produces angry, greed, and potential criminal behavior. The socialist concept of again, free health care for all, is a self-less, innocuous concept that can maintain itself through the tax contribution of citizens that care about one another, because we are all one great big family. It's the cold concept of "I'll take care of myself and forget about everyone else...if they can't afford a doctor, tough on them!" That's the evil we must overcome. Why is this so hard to understand? lol

I just want to state once again that I am not, in fact, a socialist. And so I feel very uncomfortable having to come to their defense, but I just have to stand up for something when it's bullied, I guess. Another socialistic idea, I suppose. Because the bullies would be the ones that would prosper and let the little guy die.
 
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I think you are getting confused about but what black and white thinking is. Sure there are some things to stand on, the diety of Christ, His death and resurrection and many other truths in Gods word. I believe the bible to 100% true and without error. That is pretty black and white. The black and white thinking I am referring to encompass many things in the criminal mind. I can list a few for you here:

They are not self critical, unreceptive to responsible alternatives, they are full of self pity and they always blame others for their condition. They focus only on personal good deeds and they see themselves as the victim and not the victimizer. They refuse to acknowledge harm to others and won't admit their own destructive behavior. They say I can't when they really mean I won't and they have no concept of obligation to others. They often expect an immediate response. They have profound fears of personal insults and they are often super optimistic. They have a compulsive desire to control every situation, they manipulate and deceive others and that is just what I can remember. And it all sounds like socialism to me.
I see, actually I quite agree with you here, but then I wouldn't call that black and white thinking. It seems like the grey thinking to me, like for example you say they are super optimistic but then they have all the self pity and blame which seems like pessimism. It's like the double-minded stuff. I get your point though, not bad.
 
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WOAH man.....What?! For real??? I'm not sure if you're referring to some odious communist leaders or dictators or what... but the type of things I've been mentioning are the furthest thing from the general intent of an alleged criminal, and that thing is greed. Most, not all, criminals function by greed. They want power, or money, or sex, or whatever... They are bad people and are usually impulsive and very "me" driven. It can even come in the form of a sociopath. In fact, many really successful people are supposedly sociopaths. So, if anything, it's a capitalistic mindset that produces angry, greed, and potential criminal behavior. The socialist concept of again, free health care for all, is a self-less, innocuous concept that can maintain itself through the tax contribution of citizens that care about one another, because we are all one great big family. It's the cold concept of "I'll take care of myself and forget about everyone else...if they can't afford a doctor, tough on them!" That's the evil we must overcome. Why is this so hard to understand? lol

I just want to state once again that I am not, in fact, a socialist. And so I feel very uncomfortable having to come to their defense, but I just have to stand up for something when it's bullied, I guess. Another socialistic idea, I suppose. Because the bullies would be the ones that would prosper and let the little guy die.
A big one that stands out for me in the criminal mind is their refusal to acknowledge harm to others. The very nature of taking from one against their will to give to another is a form of abuse and it certainly isn't interested in a responsible alternative.
 
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It is theft. They demand the use of their currency. The FBI tried to ban bitcoin (and continues to try to crack/destroy the process).

Bitcoin is not U.S. currency. If we stopped using the US dollar and switched to precious metals and bitcoin (which we should), the government would still extort these currencies from people like the Mafia family that it is.
Lol well its not theft, you can't steal something you all ready own lol.

Personally the bitcoin stuff and economic theories interest me though I don't have any bitcoins or any of that lol. I can see why the government has to crackdown on them though. It's protectionism, the government has to try to protect the integrity and value of its native currency. Interestingly this is moreso the bigger job of the Secret Service from my understanding (stomping out counterfeiting, inflation of foreign currencies, even inflation of our currency, etc.) I think if we stopped using the US dollar at this current time it would cause a catastrophic worldwide economic collapse. Plus online currency carries the additional risk that in the event the internet ceases to exist, then so too does a large sliver of trade and business. Such things like bitcoin would become worthless over night.

I would agree though, I'm not a fan of underhanded tactics. I would think the government should start a program for them to surrender their foreign currencies in exchange for dollars, but it's whatever that's probably just a pipedream lol.
 
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I see, actually I quite agree with you here, but then I wouldn't call that black and white thinking. It seems like the grey thinking to me, like for example you say they are super optimistic but then they have all the self pity and blame which seems like pessimism. It's like the double-minded stuff. I get your point though, not bad.

Super-Optimism – Experience has taught lifestyle criminals that they get away with most of their crimes. This leads to a growing sense of overconfidence in which they believe they are invulnerable, indomitable, and unbeatable. Ironically, this belief leads to their eventual downfall.
 
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Super-Optimism– Experience has taught lifestyle criminals that they get away with most of their crimes. This leads to a growing sense of overconfidence in which they believe they are invulnerable, indomitable, and unbeatable. Ironically, this belief leads to their eventual downfall.
Yea, the false sense of invincibility. Indeed and fully agreed.
 
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It fits rather nicely with the value they place on those around them or their constituents.
Yes, it is pretty modern thinking indeed, and yet alas, all modern civilization is incredibly frail.
 
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Are you alleging that I'm a criminal because of my values?
 
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Yes, it is pretty modern thinking indeed, and yet alas, all modern civilization is incredibly frail.
So we have proven that we can be respectful towards each other and seek responsible alternatives? I think of you as being incredibly bright. I consider myself to understand the nature of humans very well and the way they think and that is where much of my perspective comes from. While I like to talk about politics and explore alternatives it is not the be all end all for me. What matters the most to me is connecting with people on an equal footing of respect and humility.
 
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Are you alleging that I'm a criminal because of my values?
No...just pointing out the similarities you exhibit with the criminal mind in authoring your arguments.
 
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Maybe I'm stupid because I still don't understand these similarities lol Did you read what I wrote about how capitalist mentality can be just as "criminal"?
 
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Maybe I'm stupid because I still don't understand these similarities lol Did you read what I wrote about how capitalist mentality can be just as "criminal"?
I don't disagree and I don't think you are stupid. You just have a small picture of the larger one and you base all your solutions on only the tiny sliver that you can see. Corporate capitalism is the other side of the same coin of socialism. The solution to the problems we have is a strong middle class that keeps more of what it earns and a smaller federal govt. A powerful federal govt doesn't view its citizens as people but as cattle....just like the criminal views their victims.
 
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Maybe I'm stupid because I still don't understand these similarities lol Did you read what I wrote about how capitalist mentality can be just as "criminal"?
One could argue capitalism sets the ground work for the rise of criminals.

It's a fact: Not everyone can be winners in capitalism. There needs to be winners and losers. There will be exponentially more losers than winners. The biggest conservative and capitalist can't really argue with this.
 
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One could argue capitalism sets the ground work for the rise of criminals.

It's a fact: Not everyone can be winners in capitalism. There needs to be winners and losers. There will be exponentially more losers than winners. The biggest conservative and capitalist can't really argue with this.
Not true, not fully anyways, though indeed there is some of this too.

The best way to do business is always to seek out the win-win solution. When there's a win-lose dynamic one party is jaded, and that is bad for business. In the short term one party might make money, but to do right business you almost have to not worry about money (which I know sounds hilariously oxymoronic). It is better to sacrifice a little profit to gain a win-win situation because in the long run by maintaining your word, relationships, and reputation you have more chance of success by continuing to do business and you mitigate more risk.

To use an example. Let's say I am selling fruit. One batch of fruit is good, one is bad. Now I could sell both the good batch and the bad batch and make a lil money, but then the customer would be losing and would be jaded against me rightfully so. They might never do business with me again, they might spread word that I sold them an inferior product, etc. On the other hand I could throw away the bad batch and sell the good batch, take a small short term loss, but the customer is happy and stays my customer, maybe spreads word that my fruit is good, etc.
 
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I don't disagree and I don't think you are stupid. You just have a small picture of the larger one and you base all your solutions on only the tiny sliver that you can see. Corporate capitalism is the other side of the same coin of socialism. The solution to the problems we have is a strong middle class that keeps more of what it earns and a smaller federal govt. A powerful federal govt doesn't view its citizens as people but as cattle....just like the criminal views their victims.
The type of socialism Bernie Sanders is presenting is one in which he's trying to STRENGTHEN the middle class, not destroy it.