NICE! Sanders thread

[Sirk]

Bernie was in a movie and he was the star.

 

[Spoonfulofsugar]

I'm sorry to say you're being very close minded. If you truly believe we have dominion over everything, big and small, then you have the burden of trying to PROTECT everything, big and small. We are definitely not to go and slaughter and torture anything needlessly. That line in Romans you quoted does not necessarily mean the same thing for today's world. That's Old Testament and was intended for those people. It would have been a horrible existence living in the time that Romans was written. I would kill an animal for my survival, absolutely. If I was stranded on some island, it's gotta be about survival. I'm sure you've heard similar stories where people are stranded and they've resorted to cannibalism. This isn't the same thing as cannibalism, of course, but we are all related to animals.

I promise you that it's not the weak that only eat vegetables... It's a hard choice to make. Very few restaurants cater to vegans. It's a constant struggle and is akward. Just as it's not easy being Christian. It would be easier to just go and live a life of sin, but Christians live a life of great abstinence. And I'm just choosing to abstain from meat and adding to the suffering of these poor creatures.

There is a recent video that Paul McCartney hosts showing the horrible living conditions of these animals and the great suffering they go through. You can look it up on youtube. I don't want to link it here because it's very graphic, but maybe I should anyway, because it is truth. Sometimes the truth hurts.

But all of this being said, I'm not trying to judge other people that eat meat. I wasn't trying to ride a high horse about my decision not to. I only even brought it up as an example for comparison. I'm not passing judgement on you for whatever you want to eat, but I defy you to watch the video I mentioned and not have a second though, even if it's fleeting. There are also many health benefits to being vegan, but that's all I'll say about that.

I don't know anything about Sanders trying to enslave me... You mentioned "sexual deviance". I'm not sure where that falls into this topic, but as a free country, not a fascist theocracy, people have a right to be as deviant as they want, so long as they don't hurt anyone that doesn't wish to be hurt.

I won't get into the illegals. Yes I feel sorry for animals that suffer so much... They go through so much pain, it's unbelievable. They live in their own feces and can barely move and...it's just not right. If you think it's ok to abuse any living thing, then I think you are the one who is sick.

I dont have a closed mind but I have a mind that is educated and much more mature than yours. Also, You need to renew your mind. You think too much like the world. Dust your bible off

 

[KimPetras]

it's common sense.

what's more expensive overall -- making a bunch of for-profit health insurance companies rich, or cutting out the middle man?

insurance companies are the second biggest employer of mathematicians in the country, after the NSA. and what do mathematicians do at insurance companies? exactly the same thing they do at casinos -- they make sure the house always wins, and that the house always wins big.

a large proportion of the money this country spends on "healthcare" is lining the pockets of insurance companies. we can keep spending that money, or we can pool it into a system that is not driven by making profits, but works the same way - by distributing the cost of individual care among all the people paying into the system.

so what do you think is cheaper? paying a doctor, or paying a doctor and an insurance company too? this is a no-brainer. and it's not as if private insurance has to be destroyed. we need a system where every citizen gets basic care, and anyone can supplement that with additional insurance. we can stop hamstringing businesses with this burden, and pay for it ourselves. i'm more than happy to have higher taxes, and quit paying my for-profit health insurer. the system we've got now is a silly half-measure -- it's great that more people have insurance, but all we've done is force everyone to pay into private, for-profit companies. anyone think they don't have lobbying power? pff.

Sorry, most of the people that claim life is sacred and must be preserved (pro-life) ironically believe health care/life should open to profiting from. I'm pro-life but I can't possibly understand how people think someone's health is a thing to maximize profit from. It's more in line with survival of the fittest than illustrating the sanctity of life.

 

[Bushido8000]

Hahaha If Trump wins, I'm with you! (Except, I couldn't bring myself to do the flag burning! Lol)

It's easy once you get over the fumes of innocent blood.

Wait, what? I'm lost. Explain please

Waco, Ruby Ridge, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria.

 

[Bushido8000]

Lets see..Bernie believes in the unending and unrestricted murder of innocent babies..but because he gives away other peoples money...he is a good guy? No!

And Trump believes in murdering babies in the Middle East...but because his wife is a porn star and openly wants to eliminate the 1st amendment...hes a good guy?

 

[SpiritualCleansing]

Sorry, most of the people that claim life is sacred and must be preserved (pro-life) ironically believe health care/life should open to profiting from. I'm pro-life but I can't possibly understand how people think someone's health is a thing to maximize profit from. It's more in line with survival of the fittest than illustrating the sanctity of life.

I have to admit young lady, you have definitely opened my mind up a bit. The way you handle people like me who disagree with you and use your brain to express your point of view is refreshing. We don't agree on everything, but you and Trump are making me change my mind about health care. You call out the hypocrisy of being "pro-life" but then wanting to profit from it. I never thought of it that way.

Even though we still disagree on a great many issues and presidential candidates, please keep posting.

 

[KimPetras]

I have to admit young lady, you have definitely opened my mind up a bit. The way you handle people like me who disagree with you and use your brain to express your point of view is refreshing. We don't agree on everything, but you and Trump are making me change my mind about health care. You call out the hypocrisy of being "pro-life" but then wanting to profit from it. I never thought of it that way.

Even though we still disagree on a great many issues and presidential candidates, please keep posting.

I'm sort of shocked you are able to see the hypocrisy of these two statements: "Life is sacred." and "We should be able to profit from people's health."

Thank you, and yes, this is one of the few things I actually do agree with Trump on. lol

 

[Desdichado]

Is the profit motive always obscene?

 

[Mitspa]

Nooo. If you're referring to evolution, which Bernie Sanders accepts I should add as this is a Sanders thread, Hitler was an IDIOT and completely misunderstood it. Well, he either misunderstood it on accident or he was disingenuous and "misunderstood" it on purpose to propagate the lies of his will to kill jews. He was a racist bigot and totally misunderstood Darwin.

If you want to know how I really psycho-analyze Hitler, I personally think he was a prejudice evil man, who misunderstood Darwin, and then read a little too much of Nietzsche and Nietzsche's "ubermensch" concept in Thus Spake Zarathustra. He misunderstood Nietzsche too, btw, but took it out of context to think that he, Hitler himself, was the "Superman" concept and he needed to destroy weaker races... This is nothing to do with Nietzsche or Darwin for that matter. Hitler was a terrible terrible man.

You compared little human babies to pigs to justify their being killed (just like Hitler)..that was the point. The fact that Bernie agrees with and promotes this barbaric wickedness, proves how evil he is as well.

 

[Mitspa]

And Trump believes in murdering babies in the Middle East...but because his wife is a porn star and openly wants to eliminate the 1st amendment...hes a good guy?

You Trump haters make-up new lies everyday

 

[Sirk]

Is the profit motive always obscene?

Seems to be. A doctor has to go to school for 10 years....work long hours when he does become a doctor, hire a team of accountant and lawyers to keep him out of trouble and he's faulted for making a good living. Jesus is free....if you want free healthcare, start there. His prescription doesn't haven't any side effects other than a pretty descent inheritance from what I can tell. Everyone else has to keep the lights on and food on the table.

 

[Mitspa]

Sorry, most of the people that claim life is sacred and must be preserved (pro-life) ironically believe health care/life should open to profiting from. I'm pro-life but I can't possibly understand how people think someone's health is a thing to maximize profit from. It's more in line with survival of the fittest than illustrating the sanctity of life.

Lets take your logic to the extreme ..just for debates sake ... do we now control, by government, all the healthcare related products etc.. in our nation? I don't want those clowns to have any more control. Do we regulate all wages and prices related to healthcare ? Do we punish people for making poor health choices ..does the government now have the power to tell us what to eat..etc... ?

 

[Desdichado]

Seems to be. A doctor has to go to school for 10 years....work long hours when he does become a doctor, hire a team of accountant and lawyers to keep him out of trouble and he's faulted for making a good living. Jesus is free....if you want free healthcare, start there. His prescription doesn't haven't any side effects other than a pretty descent inheritance from what I can tell. Everyone else has to keep the lights on and food on the table.

Totally agree.

 

[Sirk]

Totally agree.

Plus, doctors need electricians and they don't care what I charge. Lol

 

[Mitspa]

Seems to be. A doctor has to go to school for 10 years....work long hours when he does become a doctor, hire a team of accountant and lawyers to keep him out of trouble and he's faulted for making a good living. Jesus is free....if you want free healthcare, start there. His prescription doesn't haven't any side effects other than a pretty descent inheritance from what I can tell. Everyone else has to keep the lights on and food on the table.

Is the free-market not working because the socalist in government have prevented it from working? We know they have destroyed the Americans workers ability to make a living wage and pay for ones own healthcare.

 

[KimPetras]

Lets take your logic to the extreme ..just for debates sake ... do we now control, by government, all the healthcare related products etc.. in our nation? I don't want those clowns to have any more control. Do we regulate all wages and prices related to healthcare ? Do we punish people for making poor health choices ..does the government now have the power to tell us what to eat..etc... ?

You raise legitimate questions about the government and the diet of Americans.

I don't think "punishing" or shaming people to make better decisions will yield citizens making better decisions. I think teaching them and creating incentives for them to live healthier is an astronomically better alternative.

Because the US is relatively late on their health care, it may take a generation or two, but I would fully expect Americans to be more healthy if implemented the right way. Be it less than a generation, or two generations, the change needs to happen anyways.

 

[Sirk]

If you left wingers wanna go after someone.....go after lawyers and their fee building, ambulance chasing, language and law raping constitution shredding agenda.

 

[KimPetras]

Is the free-market not working because the socalist in government have prevented it from working? We know they have destroyed the Americans workers ability to make a living wage and pay for ones own healthcare.

It's a combination of many things as for why it's not working.

Bush and Clinton essentially let Wall Street do whatever the heck they wanted. The Republicans, way more than the "socialists" are to blame though. They had Bush as president, a Republican House, and a Republican Senate. What did they do other than fail the American people?

Then you have Obama who would have been a better president had he done absolutely nothing. He didn't cause the crisis, he contributed to it at an alarming level.

Funny thing is, let me remind you of "Socialist Sanders" views:

Against unregulated Wall Street
Against NAFTA
Against the War in Iraq which was an inexpensive, unnecessary, and dangerous war
Against the bail outs

But it's Bernie Sanders fault...

 

[Sirk]

It's a combination of many things as for why it's not working.

Bush and Clinton essentially let Wall Street do whatever the heck they wanted. The Republicans, way more than the "socialists" are to blame though. They had Bush as president, a Republican House, and a Republican Senate. What did they do other than fail the American people?

Then you have Obama who would have been a better president had he done absolutely nothing. He didn't cause the crisis, he contributed to it at an alarming level.

One word.......lawyers.

 

[Mitspa]

You raise legitimate questions about the government and the diet of Americans.

I don't think "punishing" or shaming people to make better decisions will yield citizens making better decisions. I think teaching them and creating incentives for them to live healthier is an astronomically better alternative.

Because the US is relatively late on their health care, it may take a generation or two, but I would fully expect Americans to be more healthy if implemented the right way.

The whole idea that some people in this country think they would control other Americans diet in any way is very offensive to me as a American ... That's is exactly the kind of government we don't want and will fight to keep out of our country .. This is America ..where folks have the right to be fat and happy... one of the many reasons socialized healthcare cannot work in a free country.