NICE! Sanders thread

[posthuman]

nationalism. ha!
what do you thinks is "Christian" about nationalism, especially in a secular nation with a consumerist economy based on covetousness and vanity?
what makes that more "Christian" than using tax money for social programs that benefit the common good?

 

[Kayiw1]

Well in all fairness, we were slaughtering kids to somehow extract freedom from their blood (I'm assuming thats how it works) way before the socialist agenda

Wait, what? I'm lost. Explain please

 

[Kayiw1]

Just putting this out there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIhonVoFSg

Also this:


What is Democratic Socialism? Q & A - Democratic Socialists of America

I watched it . Thank you!!!! I'd encourage everyone to watch it !!! .... If you dare

 

[Kayiw1]

No...just pointing out the similarities you exhibit with the criminal mind in authoring your arguments.

The type of socialism Bernie Sanders is presenting is one in which he's trying to STRENGTHEN the middle class, not destroy it.

Thank you, Kisses1990. I agree completely. Unfortunately, by now you Must realize that Sirk will never listen to reason, you will Never convince him of anything, and the longer you respond to him the longer He will argue with you on this thread. Just sayin'

 

[Kayiw1]

Aww, lady Kayiw will be back, she seems nice to me.

Thank you. That's one of the sweetest things anyone on CC has said about me. I truly appreciate it..... But Sirk wasn't talking about me with the "shouldn't have posted and ran" remark rolleyes: That's Ok, though, I'll take kind words any time I get them.

 

[Kayiw1]

No...just pointing out the similarities you exhibit with the criminal mind in authoring your arguments.

Mmmmyeah.

Here here -- change of pace!

[video=youtube;Eab_beh07HU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab_beh07HU&list=RDEab_beh07HU[/video]

Disclaimer: This video is irrelevant to my thoughts and opinions about Bernie Sanders!!

Thank you!!!! Excellent, I Love The Beach Boys

 

[KimPetras]

as a Christian, shouldn't i consider all my worldly wealth as more or less "on loan" from God, who provides me with all things, and be cheerfully willing to use my resources to help those in need? what should my purpose as a believer be in acquiring wealth, and how much focus should i put on it? speaking from what the scripture tells me, should i be in favor of policies that primarily help the rich, or the poor?

i just don't understand how the argument that capitalism - which is based on principles not just of earning what you work for, but of selfishness, covetousness & greed, because it makes no provision for the poor - is somehow a "Christian" economic system, but social welfare programs & using tax revenue to benefit all people are somehow "not Christian."

honestly, "democracy" is not at all Christian. it's based on the idea that 'the voice of the people is the voice of God' -- that majority opinion is always "right." democracy is the crowd choosing to crucify Jesus and free Barabbas. the form of government that the Bible seems to encourage is either oligarchy, with a king who fully submits himself to God, or come kind of tempered socialism or communism - like the early church did, pooling all their resources and helping all that were in need, but limiting that by recognizing who was truly in need, and who was able to provide for themselves.
the problem is that ancient Israel was not a "secular" government -- it was supposed to be an entire nation separated to God, and the church was not "secular" - it was believers separated out from the world. but America is a secular country - even if there's a majority of people who would check a box on a survey calling themselves 'christian' we are not a majority of actual believers, and our government recognizes freedom of religion, any religion, including atheism. we have to remember that our government is supposed to serve believers and non-believers alike -- which means that purely democratically, we can and often do get out-voted by the godless. so in democracy, the godless, if they have the most votes, set policy -- how is that the most "Christian" form of government? it's not; don't expect it to be.

This is my vote for post of the day!

 

[KimPetras]

Capitalism, with regulations and social programs would be the most ideal economic system. Capitalism as we know it today, not so much.

 

[Kayiw1]

No...just pointing out the similarities you exhibit with the criminal mind in authoring your arguments.

Seriously, how is this guy not banned yet? He keeps harassing me and trying to provoke me. I'm a big girl though... I can take it. Do you have some sort of power struggle in your life and you want to feel like you're in charge? You're one of the most bigoted people I've seen on here... Everyone else, even those who have disagreed with me, has treated me with more respect. I think you need to take a step back and reflect how you act with people. You seem to have some underlying anger problems..

As I said about Sirk. He's not going to listen to anything anybody says who disagrees with him. He just spews rudness. I agree with you and I appreciate your posts, but the more you respond to him, the more he will post on this thread. Please don't take me wrong. I'm not trying to fuss at you. In just tired of them posting on this thread when they have Nothing Nice to say about Sanders.
To those guys: I don't post on your Trump thread, please stop posting on this thread unless it is actually something nice.

 

[Kayiw1]

No...just pointing out the similarities you exhibit with the criminal mind in authoring your arguments.

Lol don't worry lady Kayiw, me and Sir Sirk just mental duel some times, it's all good.

Ok, Sir. I just wish Sirk wouldn't say rude things to people on THIS thread, since it's supposed to be Nice things about Sanders. Thank you, again, for sticking to kind language

 

[KimPetras]

I like that Sanders was adamantly opposed to the Patriot Act that takes away a significant amount of American's rights.

 

[Kayiw1]

No...just pointing out the similarities you exhibit with the criminal mind in authoring your arguments.

as a Christian, shouldn't i consider all my worldly wealth as more or less "on loan" from God, who provides me with all things, and be cheerfully willing to use my resources to help those in need? what should my purpose as a believer be in acquiring wealth, and how much focus should i put on it? speaking from what the scripture tells me, should i be in favor of policies that primarily help the rich, or the poor?

i just don't understand how the argument that capitalism - which is based on principles not just of earning what you work for, but of selfishness, covetousness & greed, because it makes no provision for the poor - is somehow a "Christian" economic system, but social welfare programs & using tax revenue to benefit all people are somehow "not Christian."

honestly, "democracy" is not at all Christian. it's based on the idea that 'the voice of the people is the voice of God' -- that majority opinion is always "right." democracy is the crowd choosing to crucify Jesus and free Barabbas. the form of government that the Bible seems to encourage is either oligarchy, with a king who fully submits himself to God, or come kind of tempered socialism or communism - like the early church did, pooling all their resources and helping all that were in need, but limiting that by recognizing who was truly in need, and who was able to provide for themselves.
the problem is that ancient Israel was not a "secular" government -- it was supposed to be an entire nation separated to God, and the church was not "secular" - it was believers separated out from the world. but America is a secular country - even if there's a majority of people who would check a box on a survey calling themselves 'christian' we are not a majority of actual believers, and our government recognizes freedom of religion, any religion, including atheism. we have to remember that our government is supposed to serve believers and non-believers alike -- which means that purely democratically, we can and often do get out-voted by the godless. so in democracy, the godless, if they have the most votes, set policy -- how is that the most "Christian" form of government? it's not; don't expect it to be.

Absolutely Right!... Curious, what kind of government do you think would be best for America?

 

[Utah]

Seriously, how is this guy not banned yet?

My Rep is 54 in 16 months; obviously what I bring to the Table is founded in good faith, common sense and integrity. That and the fact that I play nice until its time not to be nice. 25 year old narcissists can learn a thing or two from a guy like me. Now back to Sanders.

 

[Ultimatum77]

Bill and Melinda Gates along with Warren Buffet created "The Giving Pledge" which one can only be a member of if they give a significant portion of their wealth to charity. To date, a multitude of billionaires around the world have joined. Just thought you might be interested in their work.

Kim, if you research these people they are social reprobates who care nothing about humanity but make a big show about themselves giving money....google about his vaccine programs and they are horrific....in fact he is wanted here in india as a fugitive because he vaccinated people and they contracted polio...

Bill Gates’ polio efforts may have led to 47,500 children being paralysed

Of course the naysayers will ridicule this and say I'm anti-vaccine but the truth is innocent people are dying because of these greedy bleeps.....like a car with a great paint job, but look under the hood and the engine is blown.....same thing...it's all a facade for the press/public....

 

[Utah]

Of the 1,645 billionaires (in 2014), 142 have joined the pledge. That is about 8.6% of billionaires willing to give the majority of their wealth away. I respect them immensely.

Warren Buffet is a sort of personal hero of mine. Even he complains how he pays less in taxes than his own secretaries. No one can tell him to "donate his money" because he's one of the most philanthropic people in history.

I think you'll find these interesting:

The Oft-Repeated Lie About Warren Buffet’s Secretary’s Tax Rate – The American Catholic

.: The Truth About Warren Buffett's Secretary's Taxes...and His

 

[Sirk]

Bernie is a good communist. He likes to associate his political ideology with that of murderous historical people. Bernie is brave with putting his name alongside the murderers of tens of million of people. Go Bernie....you the man.

 

[Utah]

Bernie is a good communist. He likes to associate his political ideology with that of murderous historical people. Bernie is brave with putting his name alongside the murderers of tens of million of people. Go Bernie....you the man.

I like the fact that Socialism is for the People, not the Socialists.

 

[posthuman]

Bernie is a good communist. He likes to associate his political ideology with that of murderous historical people. Bernie is brave with putting his name alongside the murderers of tens of million of people. Go Bernie....you the man.

now Sirk, that isn't true at all.

Bernie is a socialist democratic capitalist. he's not out to nationalize the banks or pharmaceutical or auto industries; he just wants tax money collected from everyone to be put into programs that benefit everyone, instead of primarily benefiting whoever has enough money to buy the best lobbyists. he's got a long, consistent voting record of being against war, against corporate influence in politics, and for equality under the law, honoring veterans, and programs that benefit the poor and disenfranchised.

come on, man. i know you're reasonable
this guy is no Stalinist. not even close. and i think the major reason that more people aren't behind his campaign is ignorant comments like that -- associating the word "democratic socialist" with all the worst things about the USSR. that's ignorant, and utterly false.

honestly, i think you'd agree with him about an awful lot of things.

here's a decent article about the difference:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/upshot/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialist-capitalist.html

 

[posthuman]

i like that he acts more "presidential" than any of the other candidates. like a person who actually deserves a lot of respect, one who earns it, rather than having bought or bullied their way into being honored.

 

[sealabeag]

If Sanders was a Christian/Conservative, he'd be pretty great, I think. He believes in what he says, seems to hold to his principles (as far as I can tell), isn't a complete liar, and is fairly charismatic. However, he isn't, and so no conscientious Christian could vote for him. Is Trump a better choice? Not really, but much better to have Republicans in government than Democrats. Sanders does seem like a decent guy though, for a liberal.